Talk:Mary Ann Day Brown
Script error: No such module "Banner shell".
Thirteen children and importance
There are only 12 children listed, but the article says 13. Can anyone find a more complete list? - (unsigned)
An unnamed child died in infancy. - Nunh-huh 00:48, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Second question, is she famous in her own right? -- Graham :) | Talk 00:52, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, she did what women of her time did: kept house, made it possible for her husband to accomplish what he could, and raised children - some of whom accompanied their father on raids that helped start the Civil War. Some will, perhaps because of their cultural biases, find this less significant than the latest Pokémon character. Some won't. - Nunh-huh 01:16, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
- Well the fact of the matter is that as a family historian I can provide examples of quite a lot of my ancestors who did exactly that and in the same time period, but if I wrote articles about them they'd be on votes for deletion quicker than a gnat's breath. My question is, what makes this woman different? -- Graham :) | Talk 13:20, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
- According to this website, she was an active abolitionist, and provided a "cover" for John and sons. It also says that, with the exception of two sons, the entire family took part in the Harper's Ferry raid, but I suspect this dosn't include the women. Scott Burley 05:47, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Then perhaps the article needs to say that, because as it stands at the moment it's just genealogical information and nothing else: certainly not encyclopedia material. -- Graham :) | Talk 09:45, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
- According to this website, she was an active abolitionist, and provided a "cover" for John and sons. It also says that, with the exception of two sons, the entire family took part in the Harper's Ferry raid, but I suspect this dosn't include the women. Scott Burley 05:47, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Well the fact of the matter is that as a family historian I can provide examples of quite a lot of my ancestors who did exactly that and in the same time period, but if I wrote articles about them they'd be on votes for deletion quicker than a gnat's breath. My question is, what makes this woman different? -- Graham :) | Talk 13:20, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Template:Od See the artile, which now identifies 13 children, including the unnamed child who died very young.
See the legacy section about her importance.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Abolitionist
Deisenbe, I am a little confused by this edit, with the edit summary stating that Mary Brown was not an abolitionist. Please read the second paragraph of the Ohio section, the North Elba section, and the Legacy section.
Please also read the abstract here for The Tie That Bound Us: The Women of John Brown's Family and the Legacy of Radical Abolitionism by Bonnie Laughlin-Schultz.
Why do you wish to make a point that she was not an abolitionist?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Because I have yet to read documentary evidence or letters that support it.
- I'd been reading a bunch of stuff on her. I looked at the abstract you cited above and it says nothing about Mary's supposed commitment to abolitionist principlrs. I own and have reas that book. But I'll look at it again.
- Mary refused to go to the Kennedy Fsrm (or to Kansas). That's why the two girls went. Someone was just talking about it. When I find it agsin I'll put it in here. If you want to take it out til I cite a source OK, but there are sources.
- Mary didn't give interviews or anti-slavery talks. She didn't stay in North Elba as John expected. deisenbe (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am a little confused by the disconnect. Here is specific content that I was referring to...
- From the article:
- Template:Tq
- Template:Tq
- related to the second bullet Template:Tq
- Template:Tq
- Template:Tq
- Template:Tq and yet Template:Tq
- Template:Tq
- From the article:
- The fact that Template:Tq means to me that Mary was not a passive supporter of John's efforts. If she didn't believe in an approach - or wanted to keep her and her daughters safe from harm - she stood her ground.
- From Laughlin-Schultz abstract
- Template:Tq... followed by more supporting content.
- Template:Tq
- From Laughlin-Schultz abstract
- From page 4 of Laughlin-Schultz's book
Hudson, Ohio
I have made this edit one more time. It is not in the cited source.
On one hand, there is an issue with making edits based upon original research versus research from reliable sources. In addition, it is a slippery slope to make edits, even a relatively minor edit like this, without adding the source. Then the article loses its verifiability, credibility, and reliability.
If you'd really like to have this, as I believe you do, please add a source for the information that Hudson was John Brown's home town.
Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- That is easily done. deisenbe (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Great!–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Surname vs. given name
FYI: There have been some edits made back and forth between use of Mary's given name and her surname in the article. Generally, surname is used per MOS:SURNAME. But one editor seemed determined to use her given name. In this case, there's no use arguing about this. Because of all the Brown's mentioned in the article, it is clearer to reference the subject as Mary.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Struck out two sentences that are not needed and sound snarky upon reflection.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)