Talk:Martha Stewart

"Convicted" in lead - NPOV?

Seems like overkill to stated "convicted" twice in the lead, once in each paragraph. It is not her claim to fame, so I'd think as written in the second paragraph would suffice; the double mention seems a little skewing on the WP:NPOV. Anyone else? Lindenfall (talk) 21:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Seconded. Evieliam (talk) 04:07, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. It is not her primary claim to fame and she is not currently in prison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valereee (talk • contribs) 11:56, June 19, 2020 (UTC)

And we don't need to label her as a "felon". She was convicted and served a short sentence (extensively covered in the article and lead) but it's not why she is notable. Meters (talk) 04:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Felon

So I noticed when referring to people of color who committed crimes, “felon” was courted in the bio but not for Martha and others. Why is this Empress39 (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Please don't insert new topics into years-old threads. I have moved your thread to the bottom of this page and added a header

See the replies to the previous two threads. If you think there are problems in other articles then discuss those problems on those pages' talk pages. Stewart served a short sentence years ago for a white collar crime, and her crime, conviction, and sentence are extensively covered in this article. Consensus so far on this page seems to be that she is not primarily known for her conviction and thus it is not appropriate to label her as a felon. Meters (talk) 21:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

And there are certainly also Black celebrities who have served prison time whose Wikipedia articles do not label them as felons or criminals either. See Mike Tyson, Snoop Dogg, Michael Vick, 50 Cent, Shyne, Tupac Shakur, and Wesley Snipes for example. Meters (talk) 22:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

And no, using "convicted criminal" in the first line of the lead is no better. Meters (talk) 02:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

And since we have another new editor who is suggesting this is racism [1], I'll point out that we also have articles about White celebrities where we justifiably mention their convictions in the first sentence of the lead. See Harvey Weinstein, for example. who had an article long before he became notorious for his crimes. Meters (talk) 03:38, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Empress39, the crucial issue is whether the person's notability comes at least partially from their felony conviction. Stewart was notable long before this conviction, so we don't include it in the lead sentence as a descriptor. We do cover it in the lead of this article, but not in the first sentence. —valereee (talk) 16:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

That’s not true. It seems the focus of this article focuses on one unfortunate episode of her life which is unfair. If you look at the article on Mike Tyson for instance it mentions his rape conviction but the focus is on his career. At no point in that article does it say felon or rapist.

Mike Tyson 98.166.164.182 (talk) 02:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Orange is the New Black

Under "popular media," wouldn't it make sense to mention that a character deliberately modelled on Martha Stewart was featured in a season of Orange is the New Black? --Christofurio (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Might want to consider an episode on halitosis 98.13.96.91 (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2023 (UTC)