Talk:Malayalam calendar
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Discussion
This article is broken. The content in "derived names" really belongs in the "dates" section, while the former section itself has little discussion on why the malayalam month names are identical ( in meaning) to the names in the western zodiac chart; more information on this will also shed further light on the origins of the calendar.128.165.21.77 22:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
HI My dad was born on 23rd of the karkadikam month in 1946.Would u please help me to find the date in the english calender. We just dont know his birthday . My Id is varghese.k.thomas@gmail.com. Thanks VT
- Hmm..if this site is anything reliable, then, your dad was born on the 7th of August, 1946. It was a Wednesday, and his nakshatram is Aniyzham. I've sent this to your mail too. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK11:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
The quality of grammar on the page is pathetic. And it seems to be intent on glorifying the "St. Thomas tradition of Vaishnavism", whatever that is. I cannot edit this page since I am not an expert on the subject, but one can perhaps sense an attempt by very highly uninformed elements to paint the picture in a religious way. And they seem to be intent on inciting hatred between the Brahmins of Kerala, who I am told are practitioners of Sramana, probably the most orthodox form of Hinduism in India, and the Christians. Please keep this website free from such religious fact-beniding and malaise.
The Nestorian calendar, I'd presume, would probably have more in common with the Persian calendar than with the Malayalam calendar. Can someone who is truly an "expert" look into this?
I find flaws in this page:
1. While there is historical evidence for a community of Christians in Kerala starting 200 AD, there is no evidence for
St. Thomas coming to Kerala. This is more like a myth and should not be assumed to be true in a serious article.
2. There is no historical evidence for Nambudiris in Kerala being converted to Christianity. This is also at the level of a myth.
To base a history of a calendar so fundamentally on two mythical events is not correct. Incidentally the Travancore Manual is not a reliable source
for events that took place more than a 1000 years ago. It cannot be quoted as an authority. Nor can the Keralotpatti.
I think one should clearly delineate myth from history in these kind of articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balasath (talk • contribs) 10:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
The first month
The first month in Malayalam (Kollam) Calendar is not Medam (മേടം), but Chingam (ചിങ്ങം). The astrological and astronomical zodiac cycle starts at Medam, but Malayalam Calendar starts on Chingam 1, which occurs in mid-August. Umesh (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Regarding - Comparative table showing corresponding months of other calendars
The tables show each malayalam month mapping onto two months in a number of calenders, including the Hijra Era.
I do not think it is possible to associate a Malayalam month with two constant months in the Hijra Era, as the Hijra calender is not expected to remain in synchrony with the seasons; or in synchrony with other calenders which preserve their relationship to the seasons.
The H.E. has 354 days which causes it to shift by 11 days a year with respect to the solstices and to calenders which preserve a constant date for the solstices or equinoxes.
In the table, the current malayalam month does not actually match the given Hijra months for Medam 1183 (or May-June 2008), as given in a Government Calender I have.
I suggest that the column for the Hijra Month be amended - to specify the year we are talking about,; or that column be deleted entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.67.64 (talk) 21:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- This is correct. I deleted the Hijra year column. Umesh (talk) 04:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Names of the Months in the Calender
It appears to me that there is some relation ship between the names of the months and the signs of the zodiac. For example, Chingam is followed by Kanni, just as Leo is followed by Virgo. the same seems to be true for the rest of the months.
Considering that the signs of the zodiac is also followed in europe, is this some sort of weird ancient cultural contact ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.67.64 (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Evaluation of existing Herman Moll section and lead-in
This article appears to have been embellished with a lot of peripheral material around September 11, 2009 to September 15, 2009 and under the current heading Herman Moll, the noted cartographer. On several occasions, other editors have attempted to delete this material only to have it reverted apparently by the anonymous editor who entered it. I don't see the relevance of this material and prefer the lead-in existing prior to September 11th. I would advise reverting back to that version. However, this should be discussed before doing so--please do so here. Pinethicket (talk) 11:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I think the section title should be changed to something else since there doesn't seem to be anything related to Herman Moll there. User: Sasi 23:19, 15 December 2009 IST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.80.44 (talk)
IP Content
Content added @ 15:22, 28 October 2014 by 78.100.53.66
According to Tharisapalli plates (892 AD) by ayyanadikal thiruvadikal to the christian merchants by the king although the dates mentioned in the plates are reigning year of the king. 3. as you cited to Adi sankara.
Of these the 2nd one has more histriographical evidence.
In his book (veNadiNTe pariNAmam) K Sivankaran Pillai,DC books, 2005 pp 28–29 has mentioned about existance various theories about the origin of M.E . But he gives the most importance to the 2nd one above. The Nestorian's fled from the Islamic conquests and chose korukeNikollam( a Famous trade centre as a refuge. They established a church,colony and invited a bishop/matron from persia. This was during 824-825 and they stated a new era. They called year kollam thondriya aanT(somebody please translate)!!! . Since they were aginst the roman church they were against Anno Domina or the Islamic era they had go for calender of their own. Nestorians were merchants when trade flourished their dates started to be used widely. The problem was the difficulty in accepting that christians started the era and various interpreations flourished Even the Kerala Government quotes Herman Gundert ("according to Herman Gundert") without any references that it was durng the time of udaya marthaNTa vaRma a shiva temple was built and during its consecration( which was the start of harvest season(chingam) the era was started. And most of them refer to this Gundert Quote
Since the content doesn't make encyclopedic sense, I'm moving it here. Once some one understands what he tries to say, please add it back to the History with some reference. This seemed more of a comment rather than the actual article content.--Manuspanicker (talk) 05:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)