Talk:Majestic 12

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1984 controversies in the United States?

This category (see the subject line) has been added to the article by Template:Ping. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it is a controversy for 1987? They didn't go public with the documents until '87.Rja13ww33 (talk) 20:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

But the documents started circulating in 1984. Dimadick (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok.Rja13ww33 (talk) 20:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

UFOlogist Stacy

A paragraph about an alleged crash in Mexico was added. The author is UFOlogist Dennis Stacy. The full transcript of the story here, and it concludes that... Template:Tq I understand it was published by OMNI, which dabbled in fringe, sci-fi and fantasy. In the end, it's a credulous story by a believer, and not the kind of WP:FRIND source that would benefit this article. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't see Omni on our RS list....and in fact, I don't even see it discussed on the RS Noticeboard. I remember it being like you described: a lot of techno/science stuff with the occasional sci-fi stuff. Maybe a brief mention (with proper attribution) would be best?Rja13ww33 (talk) 21:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Surely there's a mention of the contents of the MJ 12 docs by a source that's not an article by a ufologist? - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I checked a couple of Stan Friedman's books (which were not self-published; btw sorry, a UFO researcher's book is the only place I could think to check)......and didn't see anything. Checked one of Kevin Randle's books and didn't see anything there either. I did see (on Google Books) a book called 'The Other Roswell: UFO Crash on the Texas-Mexico Border'....but looking at it, I don't think it is the same incident.Rja13ww33 (talk) 04:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Our existing sources in the article likely have mention of this detail (if it is actually a notable detail). I'll look thru them when I get a chance. Unless someone knows exactly where to look; (paging user:Feoffer). - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

UFOlogist Regehr

A paragraph about "government denials" of MJ-12 was added, again (as above) sourced to statements by a credulous UFOlogist Ron Regehr. The source story merely repeats Regehr's extraordinary claims that the government is covering up aliens, etc. In this case, it isn't appropriate to be cherry picking "facts" from such claims. Especially when couched as a "denial", a framing that strongly implies a cover-up. Template:Ping if you are not too busy, maybe you know of better sources. I was hoping non-ufologist WP:FRIND sources could be located to cite this tidbit and the one sourced to ufologist Stacy above. - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Timeline of introduction

In the article this is said: "On October 14, 1988, the syndicated television broadcast UFO Coverup? Live introduced Americans to the Majestic 12 hoax.

Ref #11 does say that it introduced "many" Americans to MJ-12. (I can't check what Ref #12 says.) But Stanton Friedman and Phil Klass debated MJ-12 (among other things in the UFO world) on (the ABC show) Nightline on June 24, 1987. So given all that, wouldn't it make more sense to change the above sentence to On October 14, 1988, the syndicated television broadcast UFO Coverup? Live introduced many Americans to the Majestic 12 hoax. ?? And also note the fact this was a topic on Nightline in 1987? Rja13ww33 (talk) 19:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Ah. Paging User:Feoffer. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Great suggestions, I've updated the article to reflect them. Nightline was an important datapoint. Feoffer (talk) 10:10, 12 June 2025 (UTC)