Talk:Luigi

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Consequently, In 1988, an alternative release was developed to serve as Super 2804:388:A049:5C21:0:6E:2FDF:1D01 (talk) 12:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

So,...? 2804:388:4114:5008:1:0:9D26:8E1F (talk) 07:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done —𝚃𝚠𝚒𝚗𝙱𝚘𝚘 (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Luigi Mangione

Considering the memefication of Mangione with Luigi, I think it can be argued that a sentence of inclusion under legacy is warranted, but I'd like consensus first. Electricmaster (talk) 02:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

This could easily be a case of Wikipedia:ONEEVENT with no Wikipedia:SUSTAINED coverage, so I'd wait before including anything related to Mangione. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 14:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Re To this day Mangione is still a big talking point in the news. I'm considering we should start a move proposal to Luigi (character), and potentially Mario to Mario (character). I've always found it odd that the primary topics were the fictional characters rather than the given names, which has especially become prominent for Luigi due to Mangione. Unnamed anon (talk) 18:38, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Unnamed anon This sounds like a good idea to me. Do you want to create the move requests for the Luigi and Mario articles? Some1 (talk) 01:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Template:Re I'm heavily considering starting move requests for Luigi and Mario. Would I need to start them on both pages, or just this one since it's for the same reason? The reason I have drafted assuming the latter is Template:Tq Unnamed anon (talk) 02:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Hmm... maybe start separate RMs for each one? Some people might support a move for Luigi but not Mario, and vice versa, so it might be cleaner to do it that way. Also, should the RM(s) be a request to move Luigi/Mario to the (character) page(s), thus making Luigi/Mario both dab pages? That might sound confusing, so using this article as an example, the RM would be to move Luigi to Luigi (character), which turns the Luigi page into a disambiguation page (i.e. Luigi (disambiguation) would be moved to Luigi)? Some1 (talk) 03:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

The pages I was considering to be the new primary topics were actually the given name pages instead of disambiguations, so technically what I'm thinking of proposing is four moves. Basically, move Luigi (given name) to just Luigi and this page to Luigi (character), as well as Mario (given name) to just Mario and this page to Mario (character). Given the complexity of moving four pages for the same reason, I'm not sure what the right venue would be. Unnamed anon (talk) 05:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:RMPM has good instructions. I think it's better to do RMs for Mario and Luigi separately, so 2 for this talk page and 2 for the Mario talk page. I do feel like most readers who search for Mario are looking for Mario the video game character (not the given name), but anyway, we'll see how the RM goes. Some1 (talk) 10:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

"7 Mario & Luigi Games"

There are 8 now, so this should be changed. TankOfYah (talk) 23:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 13 June 2025

Template:Category handler

• Luigi → Luigi (character)Luigi (character)
• Luigi (given name) → LuigiLuigi

– It always seemed odd that the primary topic was a fictional character instead of the real life given name. In recent times Luigi Mangione is a huge talking point in at least USA news, and commonly referred to by his first name. I think that's a sign that any real-world individual could supersede the game character in terms of cultural relevance, so it may be time for the given name to become the primary topic.

If this requested move passes, a similar move request may be started for moving Mario to Mario (character) while Mario (given name) becomes the primary topic, though unlike Luigi, to my knowledge there's currently no real person named Mario competing with the game character's notability. Unnamed anon (talk) 00:37, 13 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 04:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. Luigi Mangione's relevance is very short-term compared to Luigi the character. O.N.R. ^(talk) 01:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

  Here's the page views analysis comparing Luigi to Luigi Mangione [1] over the past 90 days. Luigi (Mangione) has 14x the views of Luigi, the video game character. Some1 (talk) 03:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

  I was considering the recentness of Mangione's relevance, so I initially hesitated on starting this requested move. But even before Mangione, it always seemed odd that the fictional character was the primary topic when the forename is very common in real life. Some1's link shows very clearly how a real person with the name Luigi could supersede the game character's notability. Unnamed anon (talk) 05:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

  @Old Naval Rooftops: Is not the relevance term, is the name. PixelWhite (talk) 04:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

• Support moving Luigi to Luigi (character) as it's more precise. I wouldn't say this video game character is the primary topic considering "Luigi" is a common Italian given name for boys. Having Luigi be about the video game character is analogous to having Hermione be about the Harry Potter character. Some1 (talk) 02:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC) Noting here that I would also support a move to Luigi (Nintendo), Luigi (Nintendo character), etc. I would oppose Luigi (Mario) because if Mario were also to be moved, Mario (Mario) just seems weird. Some1 (talk) 17:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

  "Mario Mario" is Mario's canon full name (as Wikipedia's redirect functionality is more than happy to tell you), so it's not all too weird User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Per WP:DPT, let's have a look at some stats.

• all-time mass views of all topics linked from the disambiguation list
• all-time mass views of all topics linked from the given name list

The character gets an average of 815 / day which is quite a bit, but at the same time it obviously pales in comparison with the significance of Luigi Pirandello 263 / day, Luigi Galvani 229 / day, Luigi Lucheni 199 / day, Luigi Boccherini 189 / day, Luigi Galleani 130 / day, Luigi Pistilli 91 / day, Luigi Einaudi 89 / day, Luigi Cherubini 86 / day, Luigi Russolo 83 / day, plus dozens of others. But even if these nine alone were considered, their readership is already 1359 / day, showing us that it's very unlikely that the character is primary by usage.

The WP:Recentism issue with Mangione is obvious, but it's not terribly relevant aside from demonstrating the generally widespread awareness of the given name.

WikiNav at Luigi for May shows the given name hatnote link at #2, with 400 identifiable clicks, and another 280 for second hatnote link at #5. Based on previous similar examples, that's also indicative of a problem with navigation.

Despite the obvious popularity of the video game character and it being possibly the single best known Luigi, that is not the primary topic, because this is a general encyclopedia, and it's in the interest of readers that our navigation presents the body of knowledge about topics named Luigi in a way that doesn't unnecessarily promote entertainment topics.

Indeed, it's probably a violation of the principle of least astonishment to short-circuit everyone to the character because the average reader is likely aware that this is a given name, not primarily the name of one character. (Support) --Joy (talk) 21:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as Mangione is not even close to long-term PT for the name Luigi. cookie monster 755 09:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

  Good thing this RM isn't about making Mangione the primary topic. Some1 (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

  Then why is he mentioned? cookie monster 755 06:00, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

  Mangione is mentioned as an example of why the real life given name should be given precedence over the video game character. It's a well-known name in real life, but currently the character is the primary topic. Unnamed anon (talk) 15:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - Luigi (character) is ambiguous from the fictional characters Luigi Risotto from the Simpsons and Luigi (Cars) from the Cars franchise and these three characters are animated. Luigi (Mario) may work if there is majority agreement with that alternate target. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

  That sounds fine. I was initially thinking Luigi (character) since this page is currently the primary topic for everything named Luigi, so to compromise with that he'd still be the primary topic among fictional characters. But in addition to your suggestion, I'd be fine with Luigi (Nintendo). Assuming this page does get moved, Mario would likely have a requested move too, and Mario (Mario) would not be a great page name compared to Mario (Nintendo). Unnamed anon (talk) 14:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, I think that's a good idea now—"Luigi (Nintendo)". — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 21:27, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

• Well, in my opinion of Luigi to Luigi (character), I agree partially. Luigi is the main and most known name, but have an side that this name defines exactly what a reader is looking for exactly from the character.Template:PbIn Luigi (given name) to Luigi, I have an partial disagree cause there are some people called Luigi like Luigi Mangione, Luigi Calabresi Luigi Pirandello...Template:PbThat's my votes at least for now. PixelWhite (talk) 04:55, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose in favor of "Luigi (Mario)"': per Iggy_the_Swan, disambiguation in terms of which Luigi. Would also support the same for Mario, insofar as well-known given names should not be overtaken by fictional characters—but that's a rant for later. Anyway, no. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 16:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Luigi has a lot of long-lasting educational significance, the name is just a name Red Slash 05:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  april fools day has been over for 2 months by now User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:26, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Video games, WikiProject Fictional characters, and WikiProject Biography have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 04:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Luigi Mangione is not known on a first-name basis like the character is. Therefore it would be a WP:PTM and have no bearing on whether this page should be moved. Even ignoring Mangione, the name itself is also not as primary. The page on the name is just a list of names and doesn't make a convincing case. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:50, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Mangione is of no relevance; the fictional character having more page views because of recency bias does not make a fictional character more important than this rather common name, which has been in usage for centuries. That it is less common in the anglophone world doesn't mean it's less important globally than a fictional character. The idea of it getting more page views is equivalent to the Mangione argument (both bad). PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose, mostly for the reasons Iggy_the_Swan outlined (that "Luigi (character)" could be confused with other fictional Luigi's). To presume what Mangione's lasting effect on the name Luigi will be is WP:CRYSTALBALL. I do think some disambiguation is probably required, given the prevalence of Luigi as a name across media. I would generally support Luigi (Nintendo character) or similar. MrSeabody (talk) 10:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)