Talk:La Dolce Vita

Requested move 10 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 22:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

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La Dolce Vita → La dolce vitaLa dolce vita – This movie title is untranslated, and per MOS:FOREIGNTITLE should keep the capitalization of its source language. As noted earlier in this talk page, Italian capitalization rules do not include film titles. Bensci54 (talk) 06:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 February 2025

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The result of the move request was: Moved. JensonSL (SilverLocust) 03:59, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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La dolce vita → La Dolce VitaLa Dolce Vita – I'm opening this RM for the sake of completeness with the RMs at Talk:I Vitelloni, Talk:La Strada and Talk:I clowns. I see a strong pattern toward English-style title case for the title of this film in the cited mainstream English-language sources (Variety, IMDb, Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, Roger Ebert, Los Angles Times, The New York Times, BBC News, Entertainment Weekly / Filmsite, TimeOut, The Telegraph, Hollywood Reporter, The Guardian, The Observer). Consistency among these Fellini films seems desirable. This would revert a move performed one year ago that was suggested by Bensci54. I see no indication that anyone checked what English-language sources are doing when considering that prior suggestion. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:56, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Support as long as there is consistency among all titles of Fellini movies from the period. Otherwise move all to lowercase per Italian-style capitalization. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 01:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nomination and IvanScrooge98. La dolce vita is this film's Italian title, but its title in the English-speaking world is La Dolce Vita. In addition to the numerous reliable sources listed above, it should be noted that La Dolce Vita received four Oscar nominations, winning one — Best Costume — and its entry in the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences database is "La Dolce Vita, not "La dolce vita". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:50, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support, la dolce English Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

  I am not in favour of this (Oppose per MOS:5) (but La dolce vita would be the less shocking of those moves, should it happen). Still, for every case that is indeed moved this way, may I suggest a note indicating that capitalisation is not that of the original language. I'm afraid this creates a bad precedent. For me, this is clearly a case when an error has spread and is not corrected (but, again, this very film's title has spread in reliable sources). Also, IvanScrooge98 wishes "consistency among all titles of Fellini movies from the period": why? Even if multiple reliable sources do not indicate a capital? If so, then it should be to all Italian films of the period. Then to all Italian films. Then to Spanish films. (Needless to say that I oppose those changes). I'm seriously concerned about this being an open door to endless mistakes, so I would like to insist: if moved, a note is necessary (in the lead). Was there a general discussion about this at WP:ITA or WP:FILM? @Cavarrone, sorry to bother you again, but your input would be appreciated. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 12:04, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

  Most of the titles were kept or moved to English-style capitalization precisely because of sources, even if I disagreed. So what was left to me was to seek consistency to avoid confusing readers at least when it comes to the same topic (in this case, Fellini). We cannot decide on a case-to-case basis when we have guidelines to follow and should maintain and encyclopedic style. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 12:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. Precisely, we should decide on a case-by-case approach here and I don't think that all films by Fellini have titles that have spread equally in "ItEnglish" in reliable sources (and none as much as the present one; I am also convinced that the same media outlets also used the original correct capitalisation in other articles, but to demonstrate that the correct forms are more or equally common even in those reliable sources would take an entire life or half of it, so I am not even trying). And I cannot see how spreading (sometimes common) errors (especially if they are not indicated as errors in the articles) is encyclopaedic style. But that's just me. -Mushy Yank. 12:40, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

  It seems to me that what we are doing here is just heading towards further confusion. But at this point I’ll leave this this to other editors. Too much mess. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Mushy Yank, no strong feelings about this one, at least Dolce Vita with capital letters is often used also in Italian (eg. a documentary about the film that premiered a few years ago at the Venice Film Festival uses capital letters, La verità sulla Dolce Vita ('The Truth about la Dolce Vita', [1],[2]). The other two cases (I Vitelloni and La Strada), as well other cases (eg. Le Amiche) are a lot more questionable. I agree with you about the consistency argument, the main consistency should be toward the main category to which Fellini's films belong, i.e. Italian films under original titles, exceptions should be decided case-by-case. Cavarrone 12:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks a lot, @Cavarrone -Mushy Yank. 12:59, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

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