Talk:Kibbutz

Substitute Terms

In the ideology of the kibbutz section there is a sentence that reads as follows: "Kibbutzim were run as collective enterprises within Israel's partly free market system". Wouldn't it be better to swap out partly free market system with mixed economy? Mixed economy is in my opinion correct technically & it is a neutral identification that doesn't have the negative baggage that free market does. GRosado 04:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GRosado (talk • contribs)

Fix a Typo

Template:EPER Can someone change the "leadig" to "leading" in "Ideological disputes were also widespread, leadig to painful splits"? Brobotics Brofessor (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done, thanks. Noon (talk) 16:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Privatisation paragraph is useless

... to the user as it is now.

A. Nonsensical: the production in the privatised form looks more kibbutz-regulated than in the unprivatised form. Also, the sources are older (1989, 93) than the info (1999 and later)!?!

B. The info is too technical for the layman, and too poor fot the legally trained user.

C. The multitude of individual privatisation solution packages adopted by individual kibbutzim since 1999 is a basic info, and it's not even mentioned.

Who can fix it? Cheers, Arminden (talk) 07:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 August 2019

Template:Edit extended-protected Just a suggestion for updating a syntax error - the plural of kibbutz is used frequently(146 times if I remember correctly), while in Hebrew the correct phrase is קיבוצים(Kibbutzim, but that's loosely translated),in english, shouldn't it actually be kibbutzs? kibbutz's? 212.29.214.50 (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See the lead. The plural is "kibbutzim". We use the native language's (sometimes transliterated) plural when that is the word most commonly used in English. See putto for another example. Nobody says "puttoes". – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

add a refernce

for "In a 1977 study, Fox[citation needed] " add this https://www.jstor.org/stable/1128480?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents -- Opalpolo (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Westermarck Effect, please add further research

I cannot edit this page, therefor I make the proposal here.

I refer to, among other things, this passage:

"This conservatism on the part of kibbutz children has been attributed to the Westermarck effect—a form of reverse sexual imprinting whereby even unrelated children, if raised together from an early age, tend to reject each other as potential partners."

The Westermarck effect is highly speculative, from my point of view unlikely to exist, and if we look a the Westermarck article on Wikipedia, we can see that there is substantial critisism from scientific sources. I quote:

"A 2009 study by Eran Shor and Dalit Simchai demonstrated that although most peers who grew up closely together in the Israeli kibbutzim did not marry one another, they did report substantial attraction to co-reared peers. The authors conclude that the case of the kibbutzim actually provides little support for the Westermarck effect." "Jesse Bering cites several studies that seem to contradict the standard view of the Westermarck effect as an innate learning process; instead, it may be a cultural phenomenon."

("Shor, Eran; Simchai, Dalit (2009). "Incest Avoidance, the Incest Taboo, and Social Cohesion: Revisiting Westermarck and the Case of the Israeli Kibbutzim". American Journal of Sociology. 114 (6): 1803–1842. doi:10.1086/597178. Bering, Jesse (17 Aug 2010). "Oedipus Complex 2.0: Like it or not, parents shape their children's sexual preferences". Scientific American. Retrieved 18 September 2014.")

Writing about the Westermarck effect without mentioning the research that indicates that this effect is probably non-existent, or at least purely cultural, is potentially keeping a myth alive.FreieFF (talk) 15:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 July 2020

Template:Edit extended-protected Please delete "regular" from "regular plural" as there is no irregular plural of קיבוץ within Hebrew. SuzieMillen (talk) 00:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Template:To File:Yes check.svg done. I think the editor may have been thinking of a distinction between "kibbutzim" and "kibbutzes"? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 05:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2020

Template:Edit extended-protected Remove the WeWork advert, it's tangential at best, and does not justify it's own section. 2A02:C7F:361A:D00:3883:C1A8:B66D:42AA (talk) 01:38, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Removed as spammy and unsupported by the source, making it unsourced BLP claims. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

See also request

Please put Am Olam, a 19th century Jewish communal agrarian movement into see also. I would but page is protected, thank you. 69.120.202.15 (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Kibbutz datas from French

Hello, I let you know some google-translated datas from French wiki to possibly complete the "en" one.

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The "Kibbutz Buchenwald" is an experience of resilience, self-management and agricultural training, after the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp Buchenwald in the spring of 1945. A group of sixteen young surviving men, initially, organized and formed the "Kibbutz Buchenwald", the first agricultural collective of post-war Germany, in the barracks of the camp, then renamed "camp for displaced persons of Buchenwald " to prepare the Jews for emigration to Palestine. This place operated for several years and welcomed many members. After the creation of the State of Israel, they founded their own community there in 1948 which was also called initially "Kibbutz Buchenwald" then "Netzer", then finally Netzer Sereni (in).

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From 1933 to 1935, the village of Jugeals-Nazareth (Corrèze) hosted Makhar (“Tomorrow”), the only Jewish kibbutz in France. An agricultural building was rented by an emissary from Baron Robert de Rothschild to open a farm-school for young French Jews, before their departure for Palestine, conquered by the British in December 1917 with the arrival in Jerusalem in particular of General Allenby and which was then placed by decision of the League of Nations in 1920 as a mandate territory of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Jewish refugees join Makhar, mostly Germans, but also Poles, Lithuanians, Russians, Hungarians, Dutch or Czechs and even Americans. About 500 to 800 kibbutznikim thus cultivate 75 hectares. The agricultural production is sold at the Brive market. But the rise of anti-Semitism in France and the xenophobic action of the sub-prefect Roger Dutruch are forcing the closure of kibbutz Makhar. Most of the residents then left for Kibbutz Ayelet-Hashahar in the Galilee.

From 1960 to 1963, a Christian kibbutz, more precisely Jansenist, inspired by the kibbutzim of Israel, was created by Vincent Thibout, member of the Family in Pardailhan. This experiment fails because the members of the kibbutz (80 Parisians) are not used to agricultural life, and there are too many of them on a land that is not very fertile.

Vincent Thibout then created a new Christian community, still based on the kibbutz model and self-determined as such, in Malrevers. Currently run by Joseph Fert, it makes a living from the production of luxury clothing.

Since I don't manage "en" wikipedia, I propose those informations to this community.

Peace.

Shloren (talk) 18:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Sources from the French page (in wrong format, sorry) Shloren (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Reviewing I removed the duplicate section on this page and clarifed the citations above for ease. I will check the sources you supplied and add the text to article. TGHL ↗ 🍁 03:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
• File:Yes check.svg Done in revision 1032395005, however both the caption of a photo and the PDF from jugeals-nazareth.fr are questionable as a reliable sources. I did have to make some small copyedits however everything should be visible on the article now. Merci beaucoup pour votre traduction, Shloren! TGHL ↗ 🍁 05:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2021

Template:Edit extended-protected Please put Am Olam in see also; it was another "back to the land" Jewish communal movement. Also add Category:Jewish socialism . Thank you 24.44.73.34 (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2022

Template:Edit extended-protected In "The first kibbutzim" section, link Joseph Baratz to Yosef Baratz. Thanks 24.44.73.34 (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I think his name was Joseph and Yosef is a Hebraised version. I have a book written by him that says Joseph, and Encyclopedia Judaica calls him Joseph too. Zero^talk 11:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2022 (2)

Template:Edit extended-protected In gender equality section, fix link of masculinization of women to Gender role#Changing roles 24.44.73.34 (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the Template:Tlx template. I don't think that's an apt target section, as that's more about how the norms are changing in cultures over time, rather than one gender taking on some of the traditional roles of another in a small group. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I should've phrased that better, it's just fixing an existing link by adding a space so it wouldn't be #Changingroles anymore. I don't disagree with you fwiw, was essentially just asking for a copyedit. So if we're gonna keep the old link it should link to what it's meant to instead of keeping it broken. 24.44.73.34 (talk) 12:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2022

Template:Edit extended-protected Please add a reference to this article : the book Our Hearts Invented A Dream: Can Kibbutzim Survive in Today’s Israel? Published by Cornell U press in 2003 and co- authors are Gary Brenner and Jo-Ann Mort- we also had an article on this subject In Dissent Magazine and reviews and interviews Parkslopepisces (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Template:Ping File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: citations are generally appended to sentences or paragraphs not to articles. Please clarify a target location. Colonestarrice (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023

Template:Edit extended-protected In the section "group pressure to conform" the entire first paragraph, except the first sentence, does not have a single reference to back the claims up. It seems inappropriate to leave such tendentious paragraphs when they lack any academic references, especially when these claims are quite one-sided and, as the next paragraph implies, disproved. I would suggest to remove this paragraph, or provide sources. Milan.francis (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I'm not going to completely remove the paragraph as there are some citations there. The unsourced claims are already marked with Template:Tl tags, and can be removed if there is consensus among editors to do so. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

add pronunciation pleek

pleek 🥺 TitoBRPA (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Update population

Today nearly 200,000 living in the kibbutz 2A06:C701:42B6:D300:F58A:8471:C74C:4197 (talk) 11:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

Template:Edit extended-protected ‘ Change ‘First Aliyah’ to ‘First Aliyah (1881-1903)’ Centrepiece12 (talk) 09:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done Thank you for your contribution! NotAGenious (talk) 09:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Kibbutz Meshulav

Should the kibbutz meshulav be considered a type of kibbutz? 68.237.53.160 (talk) 03:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

Template:Edit extended-protected Settlement is a political term and specifically refers to communities beyond the green line. Recommend changing settlement to community. F smithers (talk) 10:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the Template:Tlx template. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 12:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Explaining the citation needed on Hebrew

There's not a wrong fact as such, more an implication that I'm sceptical of. It's defined in the intro as a Hebrew word, but the word sounds Yiddish. I think it's not a Hebrew word used in English, it's a Yiddish word that is used as a loan word in both Hebrew and English. So needs a citation saying Yiddish got it from Hebrew, or needs a less misleading framing to mention it's Yiddish. MWQs (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Oxford English Dictionary says Template:Tq Artem.G (talk) 12:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Communism

Kibbutz is a communist community. Not just an intentional or socialist community. 100% of your salary goes to the kibbutz, therefore all the homes are identical, people are eating the same food etc. communist not just socialist. 2A06:C701:4F3B:ED00:6D8E:93B1:A5CA:C637 (talk) 17:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Poor chronic characterization in “Mandate Period” section

The section on the British Mandate opens with a misleading sentence:

"The fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I, followed by the arrival of the British, brought with it benefits for the Jewish community of Palestine and its kibbutzim."

The British occupied Palestine before the end of the war and certainly long before the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Jawa214 (talk) 09:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 March 2025

Template:Edit extended-protected I will not be changing anything - I am suggesting an addition: under the "Development of kibbutz movements" section in the article, between the second-to-last and last paragraphs, I want to add this description of Sukkot: "One specific observance of Sukkot was The Harvest Festival (חגיגת האסיף). This component was a 1950s addition to Sukkot, and it commemorated the first rains and the beginning of the agricultural year. It was celebrated on some kibbutzim by gathering the second harvest and autumn produce." Wolfpride18! (talk) 17:02, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Please find a WP:RS for this addition. Worgisbor (congregate) 21:34, 14 March 2025 (UTC)