Talk:Jeffrey Dahmer

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2025

The fourth paragraph under the Intermediate Murders section begins: "On April 23, Dahmer lured Ronald Flowers Jr. to his house; however, after giving Flowers a drugged coffee, both he and Flowers heard Dahmer's grandmother call, "Is that you, Jeff?"[132] "

The date is actually April 2, 1988 as stated in Flowers's testimony in the trial, recording here: COURT TV (Director). (2022, September 21). WI v. Jeffrey Dahmer (1992): Dr. Olson & Victim Ronald Flowers Jr. [Video recording]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MyRF-lnMMo

Change "On April 23, Dahmer lured Ronald Flowers Jr..." to "On April 2, Dahmer lured Ronald Flowers Jr." Vthokieche (talk) 23:06, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done. That is an error in Joel Norris's book (p. 155). Thanks for spotting.--Kieronoldham (talk) 04:00, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Lead edits

User:Kieronoldham, are there any elements of my edits in Special:Diff/1279814749/1280137853 which you view as improvements? I think the information on his childhood, the expanded information on his MO, and the clarification on the Ohio murder in 1978 vs. his later murders starting in 1987 are helpful. — Goszei (talk) 19:49, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry. Lede needs to be condensed. Much of what you added ("born in Wisconsin" etc.) is in the article text.--Kieronoldham (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2025

James Doxtator is referred to as a 14 Year old Native American Prostitute in this article. The source for this is given as a name that does not match the ISBN that was listed. It is also a horrible way to refer to a child. None of the contemporary media mentions this. Sex workers are people, sure, and their deaths matter. But there was no evidence he was one and he was, most importantly, a child. Who cannot and could not consent and this language is deeply hurtful. He was 14, he was Native American and he was a victim. That is what we know. I think the reference to prostitution should be removed as there seems to be no corroborating source that knew him that said this and this is not the kind of thing that should be based on speculation after a child was murdered. 1.41.58.35 (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC) Elenath

The source is Wilson, Colin; Wilson, Damon (2006). The World's Most Evil Murderers: Real-Life Stories of Infamous Killers. Bath, England: Parragon Books Ltd. ISBN 978-1-405-48828-0. Do you have access to that book? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Contemporary media will shirk from facts. Nobody is denying he was a victim and a human being. I will check the reference but he was a sex worker. Dahmer offered him $50 to spend the night with him and he agreed. The bus stop(?) where Dahmer encountered him was notorious for teenage male sex workers to loiter. They engaged in "activity" before he was drugged and murdered. Dahmer remembered him specifically by two small scars reminiscent of cigarette burns on his chest near his nipples and this detail helped identify him. If you look at the most popular picture of Doxtator the background has been trimmed because the image sources from a booking photo for sexual solicitation he received in, I think, September of 1987.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

File:X mark.svg Not done: As stated by Kieronoldham, "Contemporary media will shirk from facts. Nobody is denying he was a victim and a human being. I will check the reference but he was a sex worker. Dahmer offered him $50 to spend the night with him and he agreed. The bus stop(?) where Dahmer encountered him was notorious for teenage male sex workers to loiter. They engaged in "activity" before he was drugged and murdered. Dahmer remembered him specifically by two small scars reminiscent of cigarette burns on his chest near his nipples and this detail helped identify him.", If you believe this is wrong you may re-open your request with reliable sources. Thanks Valorrr (talk) 03:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Last words

Re this re-insertion are these sources good enough: and ? Am unable to find any better media or book source(s). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I can add from more sources like this one:https://medium.com/@brianjmyers/last-words-of-serial-killers-e480f1b458d but didnt want to add to much i guess so added only two. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 16:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Medium is listed at WP:RSP as "Generally unreliable" Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

There multiple other sites that cites his final words which i think is important, want me to add them all here? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 16:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be useful, although if you've already used the two you consider "the best", it may not add much to the debate. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Who said i consider them best?And why do you want content removed that much? Whats issue with having his finals words on his page? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 16:36, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Apologies, that was my assumption. If you have better sources, by all means copy them here. The only "issue" I have is that content, whatever it is, must be reliably sourced. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:39, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Aren't you former autopatrolled? Shouldn't you be trying to help especially especially since its about highly notorious person? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

As I said, I have already searched for better sources online, and found none. You might have better luck? Additionally, other editors may have a view on this, which is why I opened the thread here. In my experience "last words" are very often likely to have been invented, even (or perhaps especially) for "notorious persons". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

My apologies that was bit crude respond from me usually stuff like this will be in ''Serial killer last words'' instead of just ''Jeffrey Dahmer last words'' even thou i think there some there too, do you mind trying to find some you think are ''high'' sources again? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I have done all the searching I intend to, for now, thanks. I think it's probably best if I leave this thread for other editors to contribute to, if they wish to. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Just to note that the quote is now correctly attributed to convicted murderer Christopher Scarver, who may or may not be as reliable as any tabloid journalist. The source for the claim, The Times of India, just says "His final words, spoken to his killer...". It is listed at WP:RSP as "marginally reliable". Martinevans123 (talk) 08:49, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Good article

How to get Jeffrey Dahmer article to Good Article status like John Wayn Gacy and Ted Bundy are? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 13:26, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. It was reviewed around six(?) years ago, but failed although not by a wide margin.--Kieronoldham (talk) 20:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC)