Talk:Indian Head cent

Crouching Venus in Philadelphia

File:Crouching Aphrodite Louvre Ma53.jpg

Vénus Accroupie (Musée du Louvre)

I've clarified the model sculpture to a Crouching Venus, rather than just a Venus. It seems pretty implausible that a Vatican work would be on loan to Philadelphia in the early 19th century, and I haven't found any record of it. The likely venue would be Charles Willson Peale's museum, the only prominent one at the time, and there is a record there of a "fine cast...(of)...the crouching Venus, Paris. According to Breen, this is all covered in Longacre's writings in the National Archives, which I haven't been able to find online, but it is noteworthy that Breen doesn't mention the Vatican at all.--Pharos (talk) 06:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd have to look at the sources. I did find it odd that there would be a loan in that timeframe but I recall a number of sources so stating, one way or another. I know Bowers has questioned Breen's research on some matters.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:06, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

To be clear, Breen is the one who doesn't mention the Vatican or that it was a loan, and he claims to have looked at Longacre's own writings in the National Archives. Breen also gives a French name for the work (Vénus Accroupie), suggesting the Louvre example that I've depicted to the right (a couple of other sources give this name too). There are several prominent examples of this sculpture type, though I guess we can rule out the several other ones in the Louvre that have the head missing.--Pharos (talk) 18:26, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Quote from Longacre on the double eagle: The entire design, arrangement and execution are my own — the artistic proportions of the head are from antiquity, and will be found to correspond very nearly with those of the Venus Accroupie, a favorite standard.--Pharos (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Interesting read. I have that book, but I don't recall having read that bit.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Some other sources for Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts: The Historic Cast Collection at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts (general information), Venus of the Bath in Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, and Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts catalog. I can't tell if Peale's museum and Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts were the same exact institution, but it looks at least like a very close relationship.--Pharos (talk) 00:33, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

A little ironic given the enmity between Longacre and Franklin Peale.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:53, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit requests

1. The words "people then expected that coins contain" have the wrong sequence of tenses. Please make it expected that coins would contain or expected coins to contain.
2. The <code>{{see also}}</code> template provides its own indentation, so it looks wrong if used with a bullet before it. Please fix.

--69.159.62.113 (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

• Please add the proper template for an edit request. Kirbanzo (talk) 23:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

• What's wrong with the tense? Past subjunctive takes this form. Nyttend (talk) 02:52, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Just to make sure...

Hi User:Wehwalt, section "Inception": ...Other numismatics also sought pieces: R. Coulton Davis, a Philadelphia druggist with ties to the Mint, wrote to Snowden in June informing him of a favorable story in a Boston newspaper...

Is this means, this druggist want to buy some pattern coins or set, but he want to do things a little bit cuter, so start the letter with a funny story and and the end like "oh btw, I heard that you may have some pattern coins..."?--Jarodalien (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the source. It's a bit unclear. It is not specifically stated that Davis wanted to buy some pattern coins, but given a) he is described there as an "avid collector of pattern coins" and b) the anecdote is sandwiched between two mentions of people wanting to buy pattern coins), I think you are right, he was after pattern coins of the new cent. So yes, I would say the odds are he was being cute.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for reply so soon, also, "Aramanian", means Alemanni right?--Jarodalien (talk) 01:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

That's an error. It should read "Araucanian".--Wehwalt (talk) 01:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

"...Snowden, in his November 1858 letter to Cobb, characterizes the two earlier coins as ..." I would consider one is Indian Head cent, so the other is Half eagle with Liberty Head? Seems wrong because File:NNC-US-1840-G$5-Liberty_Head_(no_motto).jpg doesn't look like male headress.--Jarodalien (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

He is discussing the three-dollar piece and gold dollar. Longacre did not design the half eagle, that was Christian Gobrecht.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

indian head penny

what’s the value of them 2600:1702:4331:7770:0:0:0:40 (talk) 06:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)