Talk:Iblis

Little problem with the "he was raised to the level of angels"-narrative

This is pretty popular and even mentioned among many cited sources, however, I couldn't find, after reading through about 10 tafasirs in Arabic, not even one such story. And non of these sources do cite material, ecept for Tobias Nünlist Daemon belief in Islam. A German work with a lot of material regarding jinn, div, devils, angels, and satans in Islamic Medieval Age tradition. He attributes this to the Ikhwan as Safa, anonymous authors on Islamic legends with clear Neo-Platonic tendencies. The closest thing I found in tafsir is, that Iblis was taken captive by the angels,a fter he was sent down to earth to the jinn as a judge. But even here, he judges them and we don't know if he was an angel or a jinni in this report (They read him as "from the jinn" instead of "one of the jinn"). But still, there is no "works his way up to heaven". This is not to say that Iblis is always an angel. But those who say he is not, think of him mostly as the father of the jinn, not as an individual member from the pre-Adamite jinn. I am really unsure what to do. On one hand, there are a lot of references in reliable sources, probably due to contemporary popularity, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to reflect anything established in Islamic exegetical tradition. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Update: I found this essay on what to do if sources are wrong. However, since this is a huge step, and contradicting quite a few sources also used in the article, I would like to know if others know any better and could find support that the idea that Iblis was "a pious jinni elavted to tha rank of angels" has ever been considered by any (traditional) Muslim scholar. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 12:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Update: I checked Awn's Satan-Book to look up for the primary source. It seems to be be Tarikh Khamis which tells about two of Iblis' origins. However, as a sixteenth Century compliation, I am not sure, how muhc it actually represents Islamic traditions regarding this matter. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 00:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

short description

@Abo Yemen I wanted to inform you I decided to change the short description now after a redirect from al-Shaitan was created. I hesitated previously because the main function of Iblis is his fall, while the function of the Devil(s) was discussed on the Shaitan article. With the Shaitan article now being a redirect to this one, I think the short description can also be adjusted. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 00:28, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

It's much better now :) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 00:37, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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