Talk:Huntsville, Alabama

I Corrected The Comedy Section...

I corrected the part that said Alright Bayou used to be known as Comedy Rush (It's hosted by a former host of Comedy Rush is more accurate), but I still think it should be reviewed for bias. It's not an all-inclusive list, there are no sources, and every one of the shows listed in the page has ties to one particular comedian, suggesting that comedian may have been the one to include them in the first place. Due to my personal bias, I'm not the best one to decide what to do with it, so if someone more objective could, that would be great.50.168.176.243 (talk) 16:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Upon further inspection, the comedy section was added and exclusively maintained (except for the change I made today), by the webmaster for Huntsville Comedy, thus confirming my suspicion of bias. He's not the guy all the shows listed are tied to, but he administers the guy's website. I do think a comedy section is important but, like I said, I'm biased myself, so I'm not the right person to diagnose which shows are notable and which are not, and clean the section up.50.168.176.243 (talk) 18:41, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

• The text in the Comedy section seems fairly basic and not really promotional. I don't think it is a problem now, provided things do not get out of control. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems the shows are now sourced, with their respective Facebook pages and own websites? Would you consider that out of control? Aside from the self-promotional thing, I do recall some earlier cleaning due to Facebook pages not being valid sources.50.168.176.243 (talk) 18:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I'm still biased. I'm a comedian in the area, so I obviously have a lot to gain from the promotion of shows in the area, so you probably want to have someone impartial look at it.50.168.176.243 (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, Facebook pages are not reliable sources. I've removed those and tagged the section for needing more sources. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Films Section...

In addition to the potential self promotion that should be looked at (mentioned in the section above), I think the films section is naked without including Tom And Huck, which was shot in and around Huntsville. Here's a source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112302/locations?ref_=tt_dt_dt 50.168.176.243 (talk) 20:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Status of Singing River Trail of North Alabama? Some sections are open but not officially named?

Anybody know when the Singing River Trail will start officially using its name?

Governors House Road (from Bob Wallace to Jordan Lane) is up and running. Protected bicycle lanes and everything. But that segment is not officially named yet. And because of that, some wiki editor is censoring content about it.

News articles, in case you don't know what I'm talking about:

• waaytv.com article from Feb 2019
• huntsvillebusinessjournal.com article from Dec 2019

--Hsvbypass (talk) 23:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

"Nazi", not "German"

As I'm sure all know, not all Germans are Nazis. However, the scientists taken from Nazi Germany were, in fact, all Nazis. They all were members of the National Socialist Party of Germany during World War 2. This is unambiguous. Calling them German puts them on equal footing to modern-day German citizens, which is dishonest. Huntsville, Alabama's history was shaped, in small part, by Nazi immigrants. To paint over that and call them German is not only dishonest, it is unfair to the readers who will read this article. It's like calling Hitler a German. No, he was a Nazi. Not only that, he wasn't even ethnically German, he was Austrian. The same is true for von Braun. Von Braun was Polish. Not German.

Calling him German is incorrect on two counts. Do not edit the article to that incorrect state. RobotGoggles (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I will draw your attention to the citation used in the article, titled "German Rocketeers in the Heart of Dixie: Making Sense of the Nazi Past during the Civil Rights Era."

The source itself uses Nazi and German interchangeably.

Since the word Nazi is more specific, it is more correct and therefore more encyclopedic. RobotGoggles (talk) 23:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

It might be more specific, but not all Germans were Nazis, so no, it's not always incorrect. Further, the title of the source calls the people "Germans", but the era "Nazi", so that's not interchangeable usage. Since this article has evidently referred to them as Germans for a long time, and your change has been challenged, per WP:BRD, it's up to you to get a consensus to change it, which hasn't happened yet. BilCat (talk) 05:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

No, not all Germans were Nazis, but the scientists who were brought to Huntsville were primarily brought because of their experience building rockets for the Nazis during World War II. And I don't have a source handy, but there was considerable debate when the Civic Center was named after Von Braun. He was a Nazi and worked on rockets for the Nazis in World War II. I don't know about all of the rest of the scientists. In Germany at the time, people in some positions were required to join the Nazi party or they couldn't hold the position. I expect that would have been true of all the scientist working on war weapons. I don't think it's accurate to "clean-up" the past by failing to acknowledge that these scientists had worked for the Nazis. RobinLampert (talk) 04:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Working for the Nazis is different than actually being a Nazi. I realize calling people "Nazis" when they aren't is politically in vogue right now, but unless we know for certain that all of these scientists were party members, we shouldn't do it in Wikipedia's voice. BilCat (talk) 04:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Outdated map

Is anyone able to update the map? Huntsville is now annexed into Morgan County as well, which isn't on the map. Thanks! --PixelRocket (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Major changes for GAN

Hi everyone, I've made a number of big changes today to prepare it for a good article nomination. These include cleaning up citations, bringing the article back up to date, and shuffling some sections around (like moving the biotechnology section from history to economy). If you have any comments or suggestions, please reply to this or go to my talk page. Thanks!

--MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 04:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Template:Ping Just took a quick peek and can suggest one major thing: several long sections are just list of places/things; they need to be replaced with prose. Also, some paragraphs are still uncited. SounderBruce 05:07, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments! --MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 13:18, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

New images in the infobox

Hi everyone. Having lived in Huntsville in the past, the images in the infobox montage seem odd to me; the Saturn V and First National Bank are most definitely iconic and I believe should stay there, but I also think we should consider replacing the other two images of the courthouse and Shelby Center. I believe that an image of Big Spring Park, like this, this, or this one would be much more fitting, as Big Spring Park is (in my opinion) more of a Huntsville icon than the courthouse/Shelby Center. As for the other image, an image of Lowe Mill (like this or this) or the Train Depot (like this) would be (again, in my opinion) more fitting for the article and capture some of Huntsville's most iconic sites more than the current images. Thoughts? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 18:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

This picture looks good. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:41, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments and questions

1. In the "Civil War" section I read "The 4th Alabama Infantry Regiment" and "The Fourth Alabama Infantry".

Are they the same? If they are, why aren't they spelled the same way?

2. Under "Civil War" I read "During the first occupation" and right after that "In the initial occupation" which are repetitive.

3. "Huntsville has borders surrounding both the cities of Madison and Triana. Huntsville also borders the cities of Decatur, Athens, Owens Cross Roads, the town of Mooresville as well as the CDPs of Moores Mill, Meridianville, Laceys Spring, and Redstone Arsenal."

What the heck is "CDPs"?

3. Spoiler: for those of you who want to see the Space Shuttle Pathfinder at Space Camp, do not keep your hopes too high. I have been there in September of 2023 and the Pathfinder has been missing for at least 2 1/2 years so do not expect it to be back soon. If you are expecting to see the image used in the article you will be disappointed.

4. In the "Visual arts and festivals" section "HALMA" is mentioned. After that the text says "HAL". Is that the same? If it is, why isn't it spelled out as "HALMA"?

5. "The Tennessee Valley Raptors were an indoor football team established in 2000 and relocated to Rockford, Illinois in 2005.[193] The Alabama Hammers were an indoor football team established in 2010 and folded in 2016 due to the collapse of the league."

What's the correlation with Huntsville?

6. In the "Higher education" section the text mentions "STEM workforce".

What the heck is that?

7. "Huntsville is the 108th largest radio market in the United States."

How important is it to make this statement? I would understand if it were in the top 10.

8. "Until the mid-1950s, the L&N provided freight and passenger service to Guntersville and points South."

I do not follow the grammar or meaning of this sentence which needs to be revised.

9. "He also said: "Having that body cam there, having the police video there record what actually happens, and when people come in with complaints against Huntsville police officers, they get to see the action that actually happened.""

Who is "he"?

ICE77 (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the ce and comments- I believe I've fixed them all in the prose now. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 14:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

MyCatIsAChonk, thank you for fixing/updating. ICE77 (talk) 06:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

{{Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Huntsville, Alabama/1}}

Notable Addition

After looking through the article I didn't see any mention of the vast amount of caves in Huntsville nor that Huntsville is the location for the NSS (National Speleological Society) headquarters. I believe Madison county has the highest concentration of individual cave systems in the nation. Are these wikiworthy facts? Nsherer (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe this is wrong but i think the coordinates listed in the Geography section are incorrect? I think they are for Demopolis, Alabama instead of Huntsville. Sorry if this is wrong, I don’t want to be a bother 42 Xela (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)