Talk:Hooded crow

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Feel free to use the picture in the german wikipedia. Kind regards Soebe

Nesting

"As a rule the nest is placed on or near the ground, on a cliff, in heather or a low bush, but trees are occasionally used." Is that in Scotland? In Scandinavia the nest is almost always placed in trees. Who can find published information about nesting habits?Apus 07:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll check, prob in next few hours, jimfbleak 07:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Expansion request

A good discussion of systematics is completely missing from Wikipedia (even the German one). What needs to be in there:

• status (review of modern research papers)
• hybrid zones; discontinuous distribution of Hooded
• status of Middle East populations (capellatus) Dysmorodrepanis 00:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Kraa call notes

This section mentions three birds and then says "the kraa call notes of the two are indistinguishable" I wasn't sure which way to correct it so I've left it for the author to decide. --Jethrobrice 13:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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File:Crystal button ok.png Congratulations! I feel this article meets the GA criterion. Good luck in any future plans you may have for this article! —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Gosh, thanks, that was quick! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Update Current article has now issues. 2001:4455:364:A800:39A6:A5D8:C903:5E1D (talk) 06:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Good species

In my opinion, one study isn't enough to say it's considered a good species. I think the article should list authorities that split it and those (such as the IUCN) that lump it. At least the easily Googlable ones. I can do this if people think it's a good idea. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 00:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Geographic Range

I think there is an error in the description of Hooded and Carrion Crow ranges. The range of Carrion extends into Ireland but this is not shown on the map of the article. In addition, the range of Hooded Crow is shown to cover all of Ireland when it actually only lives in part of the island (the NW I think).

I don't think the above is true. I know for a fact that Hooded Crows are extremely common in the south and southwest of Ireland, and I presume is as common in other areas. The Carrion Crow, on the other hand, does not occur here.

If I may elaborate on this, Hooded Crows are also very common (moreso than the Carrion Crow, I'd say) in Eastern Germany (particularly Berlin), but this area is also outside the indicated distribution.--Ilja.nieuwland (talk) 11:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

'Royston' Crow

The disambiguation page for Royston led me here but there's no mention here that Royston is an alternative name for a hooded crow. Is it or not? If so, where does the name come from? Penguin2006 (talk) 15:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

It's definitely a genuine alternative name from when this was a more common winter visitor to England. It refers to Royston in North Hertfordshire, hence it's presence on the council's crest, and the local newspaper is still the Royston Crow. I'll add this later if I can find a ref. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, interesting. I came across 'Royston' in another place as a translation for 'funnock' or feannog in Irish - the translation called it royston or scalded crow. Scalded crow isn't on the list of alternatives for hooded crow on this article either. I think Royston might be the old English name, scald the old Irish. I had a quick look but couldn't find any citeable references online. Just the article Badb. I have a couple of books I'll check later. Penguin2006 (talk) 00:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Cocker gives Danish Crow, Norway Crow and Denmarks, as well as winter/grey/dun/grey-backed crow, and Dunstable crow, but says Royston was the most widely used Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The corbie?

I've allowed myself the freedom of removing the mention of "corbie", as that does not seem to be a proper name for the grey crow ("Hooded crow"). It is apparently for the black one ("Carrion crow"), or for the Raven. Source. Also, I have added the fact that "grey crow" is also a name used in Denmark. To be accurate, it is the Danish name (Gråkrage : "grå" = "grey" - "krage" = "crow"). As a sidenote, we have both kinds in Denmark, the Carrion Crow is called "black crow" ("sort" = "black"). We also have Ravens. claus (talk) 20:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Smiling-like call sounds

Some reference should probably be made on smiling-like sounds they make. It is almost always very annoying but those who know something about birds say it is simply not a smile because they cannot know what human thinks. --5.43.99.155 (talk) 05:26, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

External links modified

Hi people, just added a link to educational article with video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark.barkan (talk • contribs) 08:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Issues

This important article probably needs help right now. 2001:4455:364:A800:39A6:A5D8:C903:5E1D (talk) 06:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd agree with that Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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Norway

I saw a lot of these birds on a recent trip to Norway in the Town of Stavanger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.107.33 (talk) 20:43, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The map File:Hooded crow map2.jpg shows that. Invasive Spices (talk) 2 October 2022 (UTC)

List of suggested to-dos

First: I have studied and done research on this species (+carrion crows) in an academic capacity, specifically the genetics and hybrid dynamics. Do not think this is a conflict of any sort, but I feel I should disclose this nonetheless. Main point is: I care a lot about this species.

Second: I just went in and added some citations. I could not find citations for a few things (although I did not look too hard), namely:

- The partitioning of C. c. sardonius to other subspecies

- The flight pattern (which I suspect is taken from a seperate source on American Crows and their flight differences comparative to ravens)

- The tendency of a bird to visit another bird's cache (which I suspect may be taken from this paper on Indian common crows. There is probably a source out there, as there are a good bunch of studies on their egg caching, which I have not fully been able to sift through yet)

I will leave them up in case someone else finds them, but I have seen multiple external sites reference this Wikipedia page regarding the above (specifically re: flight pattern), which is not great. I will try to look harder myself.

Third: I propose adding a section discussing hybridization. I am slightly biased because I study it, but this is one of the most well-studied avian hybrid systems. Discussion of such is currently split between the taxonomy and distribution sections. If there are no objections, I would be happy to add a hybrid section similar to the one in Golden-winged warbler. There are multiple other papers published under Wolf's supervision covering the topic.

Fourth: A lot of behaviours are missing. This crow is very well studied. These crows have been tested on self-awareness (but appeared to fail the mark test). They are somewhat specialized egg predators, and multiple studies on their egg caching behaviours are up (see [1] and [2], and [3] on mussel caching). In addition, see [4] [5] on social behaviours/structures.

Also of potential interest: [6] crows as a plant dispersal, [7] hearing sensitivity, [8][9] public perception of crows & urban interactions, [10] urban behaviour study, [11] morphological changes in urban crows.

And my favourite, maybe: [12] crows hanging upside-down.

These are just studies I kind-of remember off the top of my head, but I am sure I can find more if I looked deeper (including some good secondary sources; there are a lot of "summary of xyz in corvid" papers).

I will start adding things when I have time if there are no objections, starting from fleshing out the behaviours, etc.

Atlashrike (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Go for it! I do wonder if some of these behavioural things are actually unique to Hooded Crow, or might apply more widely to Corvus in general? If so, they might be better on the genus page, rather than here? Expanding on the hybridisation would definitly be good; IIRC, the hybrid zone has always (for decades, if not centuries) been about the same width (about 50 km), but I can't remember the citation for it. Also worth adding details about movement of the hybrid zone; it is moving north slowly through Scotland, and from Germany into southern Denmark, but I haven't seen any info about the rest of it (and particularly not for the eastern hybrid zone between C. cornix and C. corone orientalis in Asia) - MPF (talk) 21:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about the late response (travelling). Some of the behavioural things are unique, some not; thanks for the reminder. I have done pretty extensive research on the hybrid zone so I am familiar with the exact sources that you are mentioning. The reason for the focus on one (and not all) of the hybrid zones is what I believe to be sampling effort; the lab doing most of the research on these crows is based in Germany, and the major whole-genome sequencing data sampling sites for Hooded and Carrion crows are Germany, Sweden, Spain, and Poland. When I am less busy I can sort out the hybrid zone sources as I have written up an academic literature review covering it.

Atlashrike (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

@Atlashrike Thanks! No problem over the late response, enjoy the trip. This might be of interest, if you've not already seen it: Avianhybrids blog: crows - MPF (talk) 13:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)