Talk:Grigory Potemkin

Helbig

Nearly all the anecdotes related of him by Helbig, in the biography contributed by him to the journal Minerva (1797-1800), and freely utilized by later biographers, are absolutely worthless. Well I'm not a historian, but I would assume that it would be necessary to provide some corroboration for such sweeping statements? --rquinn 06:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Dealt with substantially better in the new article, I feel. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 19:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Secret Husband

There have recently been letters found that prove that Catherine Ii and Potemkin were married. I'll try to find a website that supports this.

Simon Sebag Montefiore's biography of Potemkin discusses this. AllenHansen (talk) 02:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussed in the new article. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 19:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

More comments by anon

disagree with this assesment of Potemkin. He was concerned about well-being of his soldiers to the end of his life, and was visibly moved by the masacres that took place, in Ochakov. See Potemkin by Montefiore page 413. He was champion of the Russian and foreigh Jews. They were under his protection during his reign.)

He encouraged them to settle in places like Odessa. AllenHansen (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

A note on the spelling of Potëmkin

The Romanization of Потёмкин in this article disregards Wikipedia's own policies on the transliteration of Russian. If I understand correctly, the name should be transliterated as "Potyomkin". If an exception should be made for this proper name, in consideration of the widespread use in existing literature of the form "Potemkin", I would respectfully suggest the placement of a diaeresis on top of the "e", as in "Potëmkin".

I agree, up till the insertion of the diaeresis. That would have no meaning to a non-Russian speaker, and would probably be interpreted like a German umlaut, rendering it something like "Patermkin". Better not to mislead people. Seems "Potemkin" is predominant in the literature, although "Potyomkin" is occasionally found. If we are making an exception here on that basis, then the diaresis-free spelling that's actually widely used should prevail. The pronunciation note (Patyomkin) is effective. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I've changed it to straight off Potemkin, per sources. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 19:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Plans for this article

Hey all. I just thought I'd make a note that this article is one of my WP:Wikicup targets for this year. I have, in my possession, the Montefiore biography, which I am first going to go through meticulously to expand the article to a decent length. Montefiore himself regards Potyomkin in a positive light, but his factual analysis seems sound and he often distinguishes between corroborated fact and possible myth. The next stage will be to layer in another book in my possession (a biography of Catherine the Great). After that, I will finish off with what I can glean from Google-Books sources, before putting it through a GA.

That much is certain. In later rounds, when I have more time, it would also be nice to get the article to featured status. But that's a little way off. In the meantime and beyond, any help with the article - if only copyediting and flagging up dubious/misleading sentences - would be much appreciated. Regards and a Happy New Year, - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 12:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Nominating for GA. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 19:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Upon reflection, my outstanding concern about this article is subheadings. They identify important elements of his life in general rather than summarizing their contents. There are also no subheadings, which would help.

Lfstevens (talk) 16:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? I certainly wouldn't be opposed to adding some more level-4 headings, but I'm happy with the present level 2s and 3s. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 18:44, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

GA nomination

I'm interested in this, though I have a few other things on at the moment. I'll pop back when I have more time, and if it's still untaken, then I'll do the review. SilkTork *^YES! 01:32, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Got it, SilkTork. Hope you don't mind. Jarry asked me, and I've got the time, today, as it happens. Would love you to comment in the GAR though.  Chzz  ►  14:37, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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"Megufistu Flank"

I thought this to be an unusual name and when I googled it, all hits came back to Wikipedia. I do not have access to the printed book to which it is sourced, but to me it looks like possible vandalism. It's use can be found in the Courtier and general section. --SVTCobra 21:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I have isolated the addition of this alleged flank to this edit from 2018. --SVTCobra 21:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It's been a couple of weeks now. Is this page on the watch list of any current editors? --SVTCobra 19:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I literally joined wikipedia today because this seemed so odd to me. After doing some digging, I am certain this is vandalism. The source is from a game called Guilty Gear, whose character Potemkin appears to have an ability that makes him should something that sounds like "Megufistu". The subreddit is full of people saying similar things. I feel very confident that this is not a real thing, and am removing the reference. Brauwerij89 (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

British among those settled in Russia

I have raised a citation need against allegation (under subsection Builder) that British convicts diverted from Australia were among those Potemkin encouraged to be resettled in the Crimea as I see no reference to this currently in the wikipedia article on penal transportation.Cloptonson (talk) 06:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

The Crimea

I would like to replace the references to "The Crimea" with simply "Crimea".

I believe it is considered belittling to refer to a region as "the XXX", as in "the Ukraine" and "the Argentine". It implies that the region is not a political entity, just a geographical place that any true political entity could simply claim as their own.

MrDemeanour (talk) 06:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

No objection, so I went ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grigory_Potemkin&diff=prev&oldid=1148382629

MrDemeanour (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC)