Talk:Glam metal

New wave of pop metal

I have noticed that there is a new wave of pop metal--certainly distinct from glam metal, but best described as "pop metal"--which has in recent years grown out from female-fronted gothic/symphonic metal. Prime examples are Delain, Amaranthe, and Within Temptations's The Unforgiven, all of which combine pop structures and melodies with metal instrumentation. Though coming from another genre, I might also consider Volbeat another example. I'm not sure if this trend is established enough for there to be secondary sources--I haven't come across any, but I am not well-versed in music sources. Anyway, I thought I'd open the topic for discussion, in case anyone else thinks it warrants a mention. 109.50.113.21 (talk) 22:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this here. I think that this music would be considered a continuation of the music dealt with here and it tends to be come under the symphonic metal label. However, I will keep an eye out for sources, as it might be necessary to mention this in some way.--SabreBD (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

This is completely incorrect. Many of the female fronted symphonic metal bands originate from The Netherlands and Scandinavia and have their origins in power metal, doom metal and many other, mainly European heavy metal sub-genres as well as in classical music, the latter emphasized by the fact that many of the female metal vocalists are classically trained sopranos/mezzo sopranos. Volbeat mixes hardrock and heavy metal with rock and roll and rockabilly, so is also not directly related to glam metal. If we are calling every metal and/or rock form that adheres to the typical pop song structure, than Nirvana is technically pop metal/rock. The Glam metal from the 1980s will have had very little influence on these European bands, since other than Bon Jovi, none of the mostly American glam metal bands like Motley Crue and Poisson were hardly known in Europe in the 1980s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:FD51:8D20:7D14:5EB5:A9EB:5234 (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Glam rock as a stylistic origin

Okay, so obviously the common aesthetic is shared, but musically glam rock and glam metal have nothing in common. So why is it a stylistic origin?I Am A Sandwich (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

You just answered your own question. Glam rock was more about the look than the music, and some glam metal bands share that characteristic. Plus certain bands like Kiss are generally considered to bridge the two styles together. Kiss were originally a glam rock/hard rock outfit, who influenced many glam metal bands. In fact, Kiss themselves crossed over into glam metal territory in the 1980s. So in short, glam rock is a major sylistic origin of glam metal because many glam metal bands borrowed from what Kiss and others were doing and made it into a commercially successful genre in the mid to late 1980s. Hope this helps. Please indicate if you need more clarification. Cheers! Johnny338 (talk) 21:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Most of the most prominent glam metal were influenced by bands such as Sweet and the New York Dolls, so saying that GM wasn't influenced by the classic glam would be really wrong. Also, the works of Alice Cooper and Kiss in the 70s have been considered glam rock by many. And many modern glam bands - such as The Darkness - are fusing the two genres. Personally I'm a fan of Bowie and Sweet, while I'm no fan of glam metal (or any kind of metal or 80s music in general), but saying that there was no connection between the two genres would be wrong. Te og kaker (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Guns n Roses is not a glam metal band

Although they come from Los Angeles and originate in its music scene, they are musically very different from typical glam metal bands like Motley Crue and Poisson. We also do not call Queensryche grunge just because they come from Seattle. GNR originate more from the Rolling Stones, Queen and Led Zeppelin mixed with blues, country and punk, whereas most American glam metal bands are musically more similar to Kiss and Van Halen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:FD51:8D20:7D14:5EB5:A9EB:5234 (talk) 23:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Changes

Sabrebd, here's what I forgot to write in the summary: Kix and Hanoi Rocks aren't LA bands, which is not likely they belong to the Sunset Strip glam scene. Glam metal being a subgenre of hard rock is referenced in the article's body, and it is visually better to have the citations outside the brackets.--Retrohead (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this here. OK I see both your points here. We can always put the reference back if it is challenged, which I think is why it is there in the first place. Feel free to make the changes again, unless someone else objects of course.--SabreBD (talk) 21:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Aldo Nova

According to Allmusic.com, "Canadian rock singer/songwriter Aldo Nova doesn't get enough credit (some cynics would say blame) for helping invent the 1980s pop-metal genre". I think this is a fair point, so he needs a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.159.219.204 (talk) 11:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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Prop Metal?

I remember back when I was in high school in the 80s, everyone I knew called it "prop metal"—it was a fairly common term, at least where I lived. I have to admit that I was never a fan of this style then or now, and I guess we sometimes used the "prop" tag derogatorily. Just curious. As for the term, "hair metal", that came later—the first time I heard something similar was in the early 90s—you'd hear certain people say "hair bands" when looking back on the kinds of 80s acts that by then had gone way out of fashion. I'd imagine that the term "glam metal" came even later on. But, what about "prop metal"? So I went on Google and tried to find some sources using the term and couldn't find a thing. Am I crazy or does anyone else remember that the way I do? I was wondering if anyone could find a good source that might justify its mention in the article. Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Don't remember that, but I remember it being called buttrawk. 2601:1C2:5000:8CC7:9DAB:868F:6159:AEC6 (talk) 08:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Sleaze metal

Adding a section on sleaze metal, thoughts? Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 18:03, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Sweet as an influence

Why aren't Sweet mentioned in the section about influences on the genre? They were seen as a major influence by most of the big hair metal bands, and are often seen as a predecessor of the genre with their pop-infused hard glam rock. --Te og kaker (talk) 00:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Source? ~SML • TP 00:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I too would like to ask The Sweet are not named and I am surprised about asking for a source. Why not just listen to the music? Various (not only glam-) metal bands did cover The Sweet (Def Leppard, Saxon, Vince Neil, Heathen, Gamma Ray) and had their reason to do so. Some bands even state The Sweet as an influence. Even Gene Simmons names The Sweet as an influence for Kiss! The Sweet are only reduced by the look and their singles to a glam-rock band, yet they mixed hardrock with some pop hooks. How is that different from the 80s glam/pop-metal bands which "is a subgenre of heavy metal, which features pop-influenced hooks and guitar riffs"? Songs like Set me free (1974), She gimme lovin, Sweet FA, No you don't, even include some later elements of NWOBHM or even Speed Metal! Just listen to the live versions. Later live versions from 1986 or 1991 even underline that. Or read the wikipedia article about The Sweet: This fusion of pop and hard rock would remain a central trademark of Sweet's music and prefigured the glam metal of a few years later. The_Sweet The bands on this article which are named as influences offer a very american and narrow view and igore the influcences of british bands. --78.35.254.80 (talk) 14:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Stylisitc origins: Power-pop?

"Power pop" appears to be included among the styles in the list of "stylistic-origins" for Glam-metal. Nowhere, within the article is this mentioned; sourced or otherwise; "power-pop" is unmentioned outwith the "info-box". The very closest we have is a number of sourced statements referring to Glam-metal having "pop-influenced hooks"; which absolutely need not imply the very specific "power-pop". Consequently, "Power-pop" will, for the time-being, be replaced by the generic "pop"; as informed by the articles content.

While I am willing to discuss this at greater length, I will also move forward with my proposed changed immediately. Thanks--JoeyofScotia (talk) 01:00, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Manic Street Preachers - Generation Terrorists

In the "Decline (1992-1999)" section, it is worth noting the, perhaps lopsided, success of Welsh rock band Manic Street Preachers "Generation Terrorists". This album, released in 1992, has had its content typified as having a glam-metal sound by various critical sources. The record was a UK success reaching #1 in the country's rock charts, but falling short of chart success in the United States. I propose a sentence along the lines of the following: "Welsh rock band Manic Street Preachers' 1992 debut album Generation Terrorists featured a glam metal sound. The album reached No. 1 in the UK Rock Chart,Template:Sfn but failed to chart in the United States.Template:Sfn" While I am willing to discuss any such edits at length, I will move forward immediately with my propositions.

Lead

Template:Yo the usage of the terms hair metal and pop metal are explained in the characteristics, fashion, and terminology section with sources, how exactly is it "unsourced"? Ellokk (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Because you are attempting to use Wikipedia as a source, and that is not permitted. Additionally, none of those sources even say what you think they say. None of them explicitly state that the terms "pop metal" and "hair metal" are interchangeable with glam metal. If a supposed source completely fails to validate the material being added, it has to be reverted immediately. Hair metal isn't even a musical genre, it has everything to do with visual aspects. Therefor your edit is completely unsourced and unsourced material can be reverted at any time and for any reason. SolarFlash^Discussion 15:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Skid Row

Should they even be in this category? I mean they were an actual heavy metal band of the late 80s and early 90s, not glam metal/hair metal. 13Sundin (talk) 19:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

They are definitely hair metal. And that's fine. Ballads and look and everything, they fit the genre. 66.212.65.6 (talk) 19:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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