Talk:French phonology
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French i u and ou
People don't you think that the french close vowels sound more like consonants for many speakers? 193.92.245.74 (talk) 22:49, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Examples
In the consonants section, the old examples are all just the consonant followed by the vowel Script error: No such module "IPA".. I think we should have some new examples. 2601:C6:D281:6710:E1E8:5E9D:FA34:663E (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- The new examples are here. Go to the main page about this topic for more information. 2601:C6:D281:6710:9851:F0C2:7121:8B14 (talk) 20:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Minimal pairs illustrate contrasts. And [ʁ̥] is not a phoneme. Nardog (talk) 04:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
In French, voiced consonants are voiced!
It says that "Generally, /b, d, ɡ/ are voiced throughout". But aren't those sounds already voiced by definition? Voiced bilabial, alveolar and velar plosives. Or is it that sometimes, in some languages, voiced consonants are not voiced throughout the whole articulation? I tried to read the reference but I didn't find anything about this there. --Importantinformationfromme (talk) 15:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- English /b d g/ are often not fully voiced. This is described in Received pronunciation (Phonology) RoachPeter (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Calling pairs like French or English b/p, d/t, g/k "voiced/voiceless" is usually a misnomer (to a different degree in different languages, cf. the previous comment). If this was the only difference, you couldn't tell them apart while whispering. Nowadays they're usually described as "lenis/fortis" 213.134.172.126 (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
A few questions
- In current pronunciation, /ɲ/ is merging with /nj/. Does it include the word-final position? If so, what is /j/ realized like there? [ʝ], [ç]?
- The elided form of the object pronoun l' ('him/her/it') is also realised as a geminate [ll] when it appears after another l to avoid misunderstanding – why "to avoid misunderstanding"? It's the regular pronunciation for this spelling.