Talk:Dorothy Kilgallen

Kennedy assassination dossier missing

“Kilgallen’s dossier of research on the JFK killing — possibly seized by law-enforcement agents when she died — vanished without a trace. The files remain missing to this day.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.111.158 (talk) 22:47, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Even if a WP:FRIND source could be found, the text is way too tabloid sensational. - LuckyLouie (talk) 00:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh it's a WP:COPYVIO from an actual tabloid. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

RS on Bennett Cerf’s wife’s actions, not Bennett’s

I added a neutral fact about Dorothy’s What’s My Line companion Bennett Cerf that interests people. Why he was not identified as an attendee at her funeral is lost to posterity, but so what? It is a relevant, interesting fact.

Similarly, the same RS that places Bennett’s wife at the funeral places Betty White there. Her memoir does not mention Dorothy Kilgallen, so posterity is clueless as to the possible socialization of Kilgallen with White or her husband Ludden, a game show host. White appeared only a few times on What’s My Line, but this Wikipedia article says she attended the DK funeral. The “why” doesn’t matter.

An RS (NY Journal American daily paper), already cited for Bennett’s wife’s funeral attendance, doesn’t mention him. I’m not saying this implies anything about him. Please don’t accuse me of promoting a fringe theory. I’m not. The explanation will never be known, but it interests people, as does What’s My Line’s first use of videotape in 1959, also mentioned in this article.

Simply, it is interesting that a journalist who covered Dorothy’s funeral had an opportunity to tell people Bennett Cerf had been there, and that would have been newsworthy because of What’s My Line, but the journalist skipped it. The “why” is unknown, but so what? The same newspaper reporter did say Arlene Francis, John Daly and Mark Goodson showed up. A photo of Daly at the funeral was published in the NY Journal American. Brent Brant (talk) 07:57, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Template:Tq Not really. But who knows, perhaps you will find consensus here in favor of your desired content? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 15:52, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

You added the following bolded content:Template:PbTemplate:TqbTemplate:PbCalling out the absence of a mention is original research on your part, unless you have an independent reliable source that considered it significant that the Journal did not mention Cerf or significant that Cerf did not attend the funeral. Schazjmd (talk) 16:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Death

The following facts regarding Dorthy Kilgallen's death are still a mystery:

• Kilgallen was found dead in a bedroom she never slept in with her false eyelashes, makeup, and hairpiece still in place. In what surely amounted to a staged death scene, she was also wearing bedclothes she never wore, and a book she had already read was upside down on her lap with reading glasses nowhere to be found. Missing was Kilgallen’s JFK assassination investigation file which contained all of her notes about the president’s death, including those from her interviews with Jack Ruby at his trial. It has never been found. - From the petition to exhume the body of Dorthy Kilgallen to check DNA, To the Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of Westchester, 10/15/2019, Pg. 4 of 145.

This possibly should be included in the section on her Death. 2600:1702:51A0:8D70:45A8:E1B6:C272:E39D (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

As with all content on Wikipedia, if you have any reliable sources (please see WP:RS) that support your desired content, and if that content is prominent/relevant/important (please see WP:DUE), it can be included in the article. I suggest that you present here, on this Talk page, your desired content/text and its source(s). If consensus amongst editors is in favor of its inclusion, it will be included. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:13, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/208823988-the-incredible-life-mysterious-death-of-dorothy-kilgallen Brent Brant (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Is "Mass" the correct name for a Catholic Church ritual?

Template:Ping I eould like to address some comments where you maintain that the proper name of a basic Catholic Church ritual should not be capitalized.

"Caps are not necessary here, and are in a minority in sources". I would like to see any evidence that the majority of sources use "mass" uncapitalized to refer to a Catholic ritual.

"actually no need to mention mass, unless we find a source that does". Personal opinion with absolutely no effort to check for any ref at all. The SECOND HIT on a simple Google search for "Dorothy Kilgallen funeral Mass" was , whose first line is "A Solemn High Requiem Mass was held today for Dorothy Kilgallen". The second hit!!!

The word "Mass" with a capital "M" is the proper name of a Catholic ritual. The word "mass" with a lower-case "m", which the text has been changed to TWICE by you, ([1] and [2], is NEVER correct when referring to the Catholic ritual.

If "lowercase funeral mass per talk archive" refers to this I am more than willing to make a formal RfC wiith all notifications No, I'm going to back out, too much trouble. There will be other places. Sammy D III (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I suggest hope that you change your edits to reflect the difference between weight, number of objects/actions, and a Catholic ritual. And one personal question, no reply needed: can you show a diff for the last time you supported any proper name? Sammy D III (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

NGrams that include context words can sometimes be helpfulTemplate:Snd e.g. these [3] [4], [5], [6], [7]. The results are pretty mixed, with some of those phrases being majority lowercased. One of the phrases that is majority lowercase is "funeral mass", which is especially clearly relevant here. Semantically, I would say that the word is not a proper noun, since it doesn't have a unique referent. When you say "I talked to Bill yesterday", "Bill" refers to one specific person. You might know several people named Bill, but that's immaterial. If you can put an indefinite article in front of it, I think it's not a proper name. "Attended a mass" makes sense, but "talked to a Bill" is simply wrong, or at least requires some mental gymnastics. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)