Talk:Dimmu Borgir

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Genre?

Although I'm aware that Melodic Black Metal and Symphonic Black Metal almost sound alike, what would you compare Dimmu's earlier sound to their recent sound? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.32.29 (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

You can find all the genre debate you want in the archives (there's a search field at the top of the page). The genres in the infobox were discussed and chosen quite a while ago, although at some point I'll be looking for reliable sources to verify them. Most bands' articles' talk pages are brimming with genre debates. It's not a matter of opinion, it's — because this is an encyclopedia — a matter of what's been printed, despite what the fans thing or the band itself. So in answer to your question, you'll find the infobox has two genres listed: one for their "old" sound and one for their "new" sound. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I really can't say anything about this band's sound, as I don't listen to them, but melodic black metal and symphonic black metal sound nothing alike. Melodic black metal refers to melody (obviously) as a musical concept and it usually has to do with the sound of the guitars being more melodic. Symphonic just means they play keyboards a lot. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

After realise of Abrahadabra, I think that genre box should be expanded. Melodic black metal (early)- okay, Symphonic Black metal (now) - hmmm. I think that there should be add Symphonic metal and Extreme metal. I do not have source, because I am too lazy to search for it but I am sure that somewhere you will find something if you start search for it. All those who listened to Abrahadabra noticed that they changed sound in more un-black metal way. I really think that those changes must be seriousli considered. Vater-96 (talk) 01:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

As Vater-96 stated, their sound has definitely changed from the earlier symphonic black metal style towards a more generally symphonic metal style. Compare a Nightwish album to Abrahadabra and you'll find the sound (apart from the vocals) isn't that different at all. Extreme metal/Symphonic metal is a more fitting genre for the music itself in my opinion. Dimmu Borgir still adheres to some of the typical black metal characteristics though: corpsepaint, growls, unconventional song structure, etc, so confining their music to a specific genre isn't really optimal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.11.22.48 (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The newer recordings aren’t Black Metal at all, rather some extreme Symphonic Metal; I even have a reliable (in the true sense of the word, not only as used here; see Talk:Mayhem (band)#On post-1994 Mayhem not playing Black Metal for that) reference for that (I would have added that to the article myself, but I don’t want another conflict with users coming up with bullshit like “genre warrior”). In Slayer no. 13, Jon “Metalion” Kristiansen called Spiritual Black Dimensions “a fine case of melodic, over produced, symphonic Metal. If you like this melodic style I can’t really think of anyone doing it better […]. No, I wouldn’t call this Black Metal. Read the interview with FUNERAL MIST for the right definition of Black Metal.” (The Great Rock & Roll Swindle!. In: Jon Kristiansen: Metalion: The Slayer Mag Diaries. Brooklyn, NY: Bazillion Points Books 2011, p. 419.) --217/83 18:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

As there were no replies, I was bold enough to edit the article, also including a footnote considered “reliable” here, although I dislike the site, because I have read too much bullshit there (MusicMight). So it’s not “only” Metalion I am referring to. --217/83 22:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Shagrath on Keyboards for New Album

Can anyone actually find said picture? Because I've searched and haven't found anything. That Random Guy 23:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Llama lom (talk • contribs)

Hi Llama lom, I'm sorry for replying so late; I don't think I ever saw your question on my watchlist. I was the one who added the photograph bit; the image isn't entirely original research, because it was covered by the citation that followed my contributions. The image can be seen here, one of the references to the Ninth studio album section, and also on the MySpace blog entry (which is currently not working). The image was one of several that showed DB working on their new album. The sentence itself will be obsolete when more information comes out, or even when the album comes out. Feel free to remove it now, though, if you'd like. I just found it interesting to note. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 18:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Spiritual Black Dimensions and Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia & Death Cult Armmageddon

considering almost every sentence in these sections ends with "citation needed", i think they are in need of an overhaul. Randal6546 (talk) 13:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The entire article could use a good overhaul, more than likely. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 18:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Timeline Chart

I noticed this article had a By Year and By Album table. I thought we could replace both of these tables with a single timeline. I've finished the basic data for this timeline, which I will post below. If anyone would like to take a look at it and help tweak the dates a bit before it goes "live" (you'll notice odd spacing), I would be eternally grateful. The black lines represent studio album releases. If we want to include EPs and compilations, I think that's easy enough to add (just different colors needed), but I've yet to see any other timeline actually include anything other than studio releases. While the studio albums' data is correct, most of the band members' data are actually guesswork, as taken from the tables. I have not checked them against specific album information yet. Any help would be appreciated; otherwise, I'll just tweak this thing here on the talk page for the time being over the next couple of days. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 03:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Timeline

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Colors =

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  id:guitar value:green   legend:Lead Guitar
  id:rhythm value:blue   legend:Rhythm Guitar
  id:clean value:pink   legend:Clean Vocals
  id:bass value:purple   legend:Bass
  id:drums value:gray(0.45)   legend:Drums
  id:keyboard value:orange   legend:Keyboard
  id:Lines value:black legend:Studio Albums

Legend = orientation:horizontal position:bottom

ScaleMajor = unit:year increment:2 start:1993

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  bar:Shagrathguit text:"Shagrath"
  bar:Shagrathdrum text:"Shagrath"
  bar:Shagrathkey text:"Shagrath"
  bar:Silenozvoc text:"Silenoz"
  bar:Silenozrhy text:"Silenoz"
  bar:Galder text:"Galder"
  bar:Daray text:"Daray"
  bar:Tjodalv text:"Tjodalv"
  bar:Astennu text:"Astennu"
  bar:Vortexvoc text:"ICS Vortex"
  bar:Vortexbass text:"ICS Vortex"
  bar:Tristan text:"Brynjard Tristan"
  bar:Nagash text:"Nagash"
  bar:Barker text:"Nicholas Barker"
  bar:Laureano text:"Tony Laureano"
  bar:Hellhammer text:"Hellhammer"
  bar:Aarstad text:"Stian Aarstad"
  bar:Goss text:"Kimberly Goss"
  bar:Mustis text:"Mustis"

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  bar:Tjodalv from:01/01/1993 till:12/31/1995 color:guitar
  bar:Shagrathguit from:12/31/1995 till:12/31/1997 color:guitar
  bar:Astennu from:12/31/1997 till:12/31/2000 color:guitar
  bar:Galder from:12/31/2000 till:end color:guitar
  bar:Vortexvoc from:01/01/1999 till:08/25/2009 color:clean
  bar:Vortexbass from:01/01/1999 till:08/25/2009 color:bass
  bar:Tristan from:01/01/1993 till:03/01/1996 color:bass
  bar:Nagash from:03/01/1996 till:01/01/1999 color:bass
  bar:Tristan from:01/01/1993 till:03/01/1996 color:bass
  bar:Shagrathdrum from:01/01/1993 till:01/01/1995 color:drums
  bar:Tjodalv from:01/01/1995 till:01/01/1999 color:drums
  bar:Barker from:01/01/1993 till:03/01/2004 color:drums
  bar:Laureano from:03/01/2004 till:03/01/2005 color:drums
  bar:Hellhammer from:03/01/2005 till:03/01/2007 color:drums
  bar:Laureano from:03/01/2007 till:03/01/2008 color:drums
  bar:Daray from:03/01/2008 till:end color:drums
  bar:Aarstad from:01/01/1993 till:03/01/1996 color:keyboard
  bar:Shagrathkey from:03/01/1996 till:03/01/1997 color:keyboard
  bar:Goss from:03/01/1997 till:01/01/1999 color:keyboard
  bar:Mustis from:01/01/1999 till:08/25/2009 color:keyboard

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  at:12/01/1994 color:black layer:back
  at:01/25/1996 color:black layer:back
  at:05/30/1997 color:black layer:back
  at:03/02/1999 color:black layer:back
  at:03/20/2001 color:black layer:back
  at:09/08/2003 color:black layer:back
  at:11/11/2005 color:black layer:back
  at:04/24/2007 color:black layer:back
  at:09/24/2010 color:black layer:back

</timeline>

Therion (band)

Am I missing something? Why was this band added to the infobox? No explanation was given. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 14:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It was added by Vater-96 without any explanation, just like every other edit made by this user. Feel free to revert it. --antiXt (talk) 12:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Vater-96 also keeps adding Dariusz Brzozowski (Daray) as their current member working with them on the upcoming studio album (to this article, album's article, Daray's article and Dimmu Borgir navigation template), while no provided source claims he's anything more than just a live member. --antiXt (talk) 12:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Snowy Shaw

He has NOT been confirmed as a member yet. Whoever keeps adding him to the page, read the last line of the article you use a source because in it Shaw says himself that the rumor is FALSE. That Random Guy (talk) 16:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Editing

I put sources in every "citation needed" tag.Accordingly I removed the tag that this article needs more sources.

To review the editing of history about the band. I removed part that is related to the depature of Mustis and vortex because it makes no sense that the whole biography done at intervals around the LP albums, thats why I have merged the section with the period of "In Sorte Diaboli". Vater-96 (talk) 02:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

3 piece

Shag just stated that they were so I think Daray should be removed Angxst (talk) 15:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Shagrath in interview stated that Daray is part of "Gang" right now and he is on Abrahadabra and Darkness Rebourn Tour as full time member. Vater-96 (talk) 2:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 line-up

Now I'm not even sure if Daray is member of the band, because somewhere it says that he is, somewhere it says that he isnt. Now Geir Bartland appeared for whom I am much less sure what his role in the band.What you think about the whole situation? Vater-96 (talk) 14:51, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

This could help. --93.139.38.54 (talk) 21:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian-Icelandic?

Which one of the band members are Icelandic, exactly? The band has had members from other countries than Norway through the years, but I would still class it as a Norwegian band. ~Fenrisulfr (talk · work) 21:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

So would I. --217/83 21:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Dimmu Borgir listed as Hard Rock....

I noticed Dimmu Borgir is listed as a Hard Rock band. They are actually Symphonic Black Metal....too heavy to be considered Hard Rock. This should be changed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hard_rock_musicians_%28A%E2%80%93M%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmu_Borgir Lilangus (talk) 08:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Raise in Article class?

I think the article as it stands right now might be worthy of a review. I'm quite busy right now but will see if I can come back in the future to help in this regard. <> Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 06:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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