Talk:Demographics of Albania

Infant mortality rate

Does anyone have historical infant mortality rates in Albania? --Vesteinn (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Recent rapid demography changes

Since the communism fall in Albania the demography of Albania have change rapidly. Both Albanians, Greeks, Vlach and other ethnic groups in Albania have emigrate to other countries for a better life.

The demographic data from the CIA World Factbook are inaccurate compare to the demography of Albania today. The information needs to be updated.

According to the latest census of the Greek population in Albania (2003) they numbered 66,000, smaller ethnic groups are Slavs and Vlachs.

quoted from Albania, The Bradt Travel Guide by Gloyer, Gillian, chapter Ethnic groups.

According to the census of 1989 the population number on the Greek minority of Albania amount to 59, 000. According to the census the population number on the Macedonian minority of Albanian indicate slightly less than 5000, also the Gypsies are about that much. The Vlach population, and, the Slav population originally from ex-Jugoslavia are estimated at a few thousand.

quoted from www.landguiden.se, Albanien - Befolkning och språk, translated from Swedish to English by me Albanau.

In 1937 the Kingdom of Albania had a population of 1,003,097, of which 92 per cent were Albanians, 4.7 per cent were Greeks and 3.3 per cent were "others". Today about 98 per cent of the population are Albanians, 1.7 per cent are Greeks and the rest are mainly Macedonians, Vlach and Gypsies.

quoted from the book Guide to Economies in Transition, by Ian jeffries, on Albanian population, page 377, chapter continues even on page 378 and 379.

No country in Europe has a more homogeneous population than Albania, where non-Albanians account for only 2 percent of the total population.

quoted from Encyclopædia Britannica, on Albania's Population, Britannica Book of the Year 2005.

--Albanau 9 July 2005 15:17 (UTC)

What your sources fail to mention is that the minorities boycotted the last Albanian census and as such the figures are grossly inaccurate. You're really obsessed with "ethnic purity", aren't you?--Theathenae 9 July 2005 15:28 (UTC)

I have not denied that some minorities in Albania and the government of Greece and Macedonia have boycotted the last Albanian census. I'm just addressing the issue of the inaccuracy on the demographic data of Albania from the CIA World Factbook.

Encyclopædia Britannica is a acknowledge neutral source that totally disagree with CIA World Factbook regarding the number of ethnic groups in Albania.

Allow me to clerify that the information on the article Demographics of Albania are taken from a government website that contain patently false or misleading information.

We should act according to policy and adapt and incorporate information from neutral sources insteed of diggin information about other countries in government website.

qouted from the Book; Linguistic Minorities in Central and Eastern Europe

chapter about the Greek minority in Albania

Huge figure used to be only seriously claimed by Greek emigré sources but now appears to be repeated by official sources. --Albanau 9 July 2005 17:11 (UTC)

It really annoys you that there are ethnic minorities in Albania, doesn't it? Your petty attempts to trivialise and minimise their existence are eerily reminiscent of the actions of the Albanian extremists in Kosovo who have launched a pogrom against the non-Albanian minorities there since 1999. Truly sickening.--Theathenae 9 July 2005 18:10 (UTC)

What's truly sickening is how you try to assume for something to be true. Ugh. - PG

@Theathenae. It's truly sickening that ppl like you are allowed to have an account. There are aromanian schools in Albania, Greek is a recognized minority language in Albania. But tell me how "minority-friendly" Greece is? In Kosovo, serbo-croatian is an official language. So no, Albanians do not "feel" annoyed by minorities. Looks like ppl from countries where THE ALBANIAN is the minority feel "threatned" and "annoyed". And the need to bash albanians for stuff, where your own goverment is not a single bit better. Get rid of your Albanophobia and stop reading "news" from corrupt internet-portals. It's also sickening that such internet portals are often used as "references". This should be forbidden. LAGTON (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

joke

since when wikipedia publishes jokes for facts? on the last census there were no minorities left. or even if there were, they could sign their nationality with pencil (easily removable). search google - selishchev slavic toponyms in albania. that's if you want science instead of jokes79.125.195.149 (talk) 17:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Controversy of previous censuses and 2011 census should be presented in the article in order to avoid misleading of the readers.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

》"Slavic" typonyms in Albania《 sounds more like a joke. LAGTON (talk) 23:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

history

there is no mention on demographic history of albania. there are good sources in ottoman defters.79.126.250.66 (talk) 23:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Controversy

Should it not be mentioned that there is a big controversy about 2011 Census and that the numbers are contested by a number of organisations and the Orthodox Church? Vargmali (talk) 12:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I definitely agree that it should be mentioned. --Local hero ^talk 01:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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The Inaccuracy of the demographics

The 2011 census never placed the Albanian majority at 82.58% Every source shows it to be 98+%. The official results of the census 2011, published here: https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/national-education-systems/albania/population-demographic-situation-languages-and-religions#:~:text=Population%20increased%20from%201.1%20million,Montenegrin%2C%20Roma%20and%20Egyptian).

Shows that Albanian is 98.1% of the country. No source mentions it being 82%. Ressa14457 (talk) 12:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Linguistic minority map

Template:Ping this map has been around for ages, which doesn't mean it must remain of course, but I think discussion should be initiated prior to removing here and on Languages of Albania. The caption clarifies this map doesn't claim these areas are exclusively home to speakers on those minority languages, rather that these areas are home to languages spoken other than Albanian. I think this map used to exist at Albania for a long time but has been removed; maybe we can revisit the rationale for that. --Local hero ^talk 00:28, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

We've already discussed why this map is problematic, but I'm willing to go over it again. The zones it outlines, where supposedly non-Albanians formed significant concentrations, are based on fringe sources, extraordinary claims, and outdated 20th-century ethnographic maps. These sources are unreliable and do not reflect reality, as confirmed by the more recent and credible 2023 Albanian census, which accurately represents ethnic composition.

Furthermore, the boundaries depicted in the map are arbitrary and unacceptable. The very premise of excluding the majority ethnicity (Albanians) in order to highlight areas where minorities were merely present, but not in the majority, is fundamentally flawed. Imagine a similar map representing the Albanian presence in what was once FYROM (now North Macedonia). If we applied the same logic, nearly the entire country would be shaded to reflect the widespread Albanian population. Considering your past resistance to demographic maps of North Macedonia, based on the actual reliable 2021 North Macedonian census, I believe you would object strongly to such a depiction.

In addition, the map has other serious issues. For instance, it completely ignores the Bulgarian presence, despite recent census data showing that Bulgarians outnumber ethnic North Macedonians. This map seems to deliberately erase that reality.

To be clear, there is already another map in the article that overrepresents traditional minority populations in a much more balanced and historically grounded way, without attempting to diminish the Bulgarian presence or distort demographic facts. I hope this explanation clarifies why the map in question is unacceptable. Nishjan (talk) 09:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Firstly I suggest you refrain from using terms such as "ethnic North Macedonian" per WP:MOSMAC, not to mention the term is also quite offensive. Sticking to the topic - the map is sourced and there are no maps that reflect the recent census as it doesn't have figures based on regions. Until you can find a up to date map which is based on reliable sources the map in discussion stays. Kromid (talk) 12:51, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Always fun initiating a legitimate discussion, only for an editor to loudly reveal himself/herself as proudly biased... Apologies for trying. --Local hero ^talk 14:01, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what warranted those personal attacks, aside from my use of the term "ethnic North Macedonians", which to be fair I wasn’t aware could be considered offensive. That said, I’ve already corrected the wording in my most recent edit [1]. As for the attacks, I’ll choose to ignore them and move on. Nishjan (talk) 11:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ping The map I removed aims to show areas which "traditionally" had other populations other than Albanians. Many areas depicted as such by the map never had such communities and the sources the map either don't claim so or they are of such low quality and aren't WP:RS. The first listed source and the main source for the map I removed is a 1918 map produced by the Kingdom of Greece in order to gain support for its territorial claims. The same map depicts a minimal presence of Slavic-speakers in western Macedonia. The 1918 map is directly contradicted by the second source in the map's source list: a map by Le Monde Diplomatique (1999), hence the map contradicts relies heavily on a 1918 political map produced by the government of the Kingdom of Greece and contradicts its own listed modern sources. It should have been removed a long time ago because it is a case of WP:RS violation and WP:SYNTH. Should the article contain more maps about minority languages? If they are high quality, absolutely yes. There is already such a map - by Calthinus - in the article.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

• Personally I agree that map should be removed. The distribution of Aromanians near the coast and Greeks and Serbs in general is exaggerated, the use of a solid color makes it appear as if they're majority in the featured areas. Like Maleschreiber I find Calthinus' map superior. Super Ψ Dro 15:23, 31 May 2025 (UTC)