Talk:Delta Air Lines

Expected Delta One 32N config

Hello!

I was thinking of adding a small section on the A321neo Delta One product that is allegedly coming, but since there is no press release at the moment I figured I'd ask for a second opinion.

Relevant sources:

https://onemileatatime.com/news/delta-a321neo-flat-beds/

https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-air-lines-will-install-business-class-suites-with-doors-on-airbus-a321neos/ Alecstatic 13:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Adding Crew Bases

I think we should add crew bases to the top of the article with hubs and focus cities. CVG and AUS are not full hubs, but they are crew bases, and certainly are not outstations, so should also be mentioned along with hubs and focus cities. Factchecker123454321 (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Airline does have a | bases = field for this. If you can cite it please plunge forward and add it. If you have any questions feel free to leave message on my talk page. –DMartin 04:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I believe MCO is an operating base too, but that might just be for a regional. Maybe look into that too! –DMartin 05:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

"Current bases include ATL (Atlanta), BOS (Boston), CVG (Cincinnati), DTW (Detroit), FLL (Fort Lauderdale), HNL (Honolulu), JFK (New York City), LAX (Los Angeles), LGA (LaGuardia), MCO (Orlando), MSP (Minneapolis), PDX (Portland), SEA (Seattle), SFO (San Francisco), and SLC (Salt Lake City)." This is a list of crew bases. Here is the source (https://www.delta.com/us/en/careers/flight-attendant-careers) Sorry to be an idiot, but I can't seem to find the edit button. Factchecker123454321 (talk) 19:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Infobox picture

There seems to be some disagreement between @Ivebeenhacked and @Norco3921 over whether to keep the infobox picture as a 737-900ER or whether to switch it to an A350-900:

File:Boeing 737-900ER N875DN Delta AL BWI MD1.jpg

File:Delta Airbus A350-900 N501DN.jpg

Discuss 4300streetcar (talk) 04:15, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

IMO I'm fine with either. They're both well-lit and show the colors fine.

It seems the reason to go with the A350-900 is that it's Delta's current flagship, whereas the 737-900ER isn't.

A few people in the WikiProject:Airlines discussion about whether to have infobox aircraft images expressed a preference for "flagship aicraft", but it didn't seem to have been adopted as consensus.

Looking at other airline articles, we have:

United Airlines uses a 777-300ER, which is their flagship.

American Airlines uses a 787-9 - not a flagship, but one of their newer, fancier aircraft.

Lufthansa uses a 747-8i, one of their flagships.

British Airways uses an A321 - similar to a 737-900ER here, where it's a short-haul workhorse but decidedly not fancy or a flagship.

KLM uses a 777-300ER - flagship

Air France uses a 777-300ER - one of their flagships (not as new as A350-900, but bigger)

Emirates (airline) uses an A380 - flagship

Turkish Airlines uses a 777-300ER - one of their flagships (not as new as A350-900, but bigger)

Etihad Airways uses a 787 - not flagship, but one of their fancier aircraft

Cathay Pacific uses an A350-1000 - flagship

Japan Airlines uses an A350-1000 - flagship

EVA Air uses a 787-10 - not a flagship, but one of their fancier aircraft

Air China uses a 747-8i - flagship

China Southern Airlines uses an A350-900 - one of their flagships (not as big as 777-300ER, but newer)

China Eastern Airlines meanwhile uses a 777-300ER - one of their flagships (not as new as A350-900, but bigger)

All Nippon Airways uses a 787-9 - not a flagship, but one of their fancier aircraft

It seems only British Airways uses a short-haul narrowbody for the infobox image. Every other airline either uses a newer widebody (A350, 787) or their largest aircraft (777, A350, 747, A380, etc.) for their infobox images.

This article has cycled through a few infobox images recently, including:

A350-900: (overcast)

File:Delta A350 - N515DN.jpg

A330-900: (not well lit)

File:Delta A330-900 N406DX on final approach at Boston Oct 2024 1.jpg

A330 tails: (later used lower in the article)

File:2 x Delta A330 tail (4535564116).jpg 4300streetcar (talk) 04:43, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Other editors have rejected this concept of needing a “flagship” aircraft in the infobox. First and foremost, we choose based on image quality. Personally I think the 739 is better lit and at a slightly better angle. RickyCourtney (talk) 05:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

There is very little difference in the photo quality and the 737-900 is the furthest thing from a flagship possible. And who is "we"? Norco3921 (talk) 12:51, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if the 737 isn't a flagship aircraft since, like User:RickyCourtney said, Template:Tq. And once your edit has first been reverted, you're the one who's supposed to take this to the Talk, not revert back. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 13:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

"Other editors"? Can you point me to where this rejection is documented and who these editors are? Thanks.

The fact of the matter is as 4300streetcar demonstrated that almost all of the largest airlines choose newer wide body aircraft for their info box and the majority of those are flagship type aircraft. The 737-900 doesn't fit the bill and the quality is excellent for both photos. Norco3921 (talk) 13:58, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Already linked above… Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines#Aircraft images in infoboxes RickyCourtney (talk) 14:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. If that is what is being referred to it appears it has been mischaracterized. There is no consensus. Just a disagreement between a couple of editors. It wasn't rejected, in fact it is the predominant selection for a big majority of the airline photos. Norco3921 (talk) 15:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

The general consensus was that trying to define a "flagship aircraft" is difficult, nebulous, and subject to sourcing. For example, in this case, you'd need reliable secondary sources to define a flagship aircraft, reliable secondary sources that say the A350-900 is Delta's flagship aircraft, and a primary source where the company calls it its flagship aircraft. Good luck. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

That's why I said the majority of the biggest airlines' articles use newer wide body aircraft flagship type aircraft. Not sure why BA uses a A321, but it seems the exception that proves the rule. Norco3921 (talk) 18:18, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

But, as we've established, there's no policy saying that it needs to be a newer, widebody aircraft. RickyCourtney (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

And no policy to the contrary, but a big majority of examples in favor of newer wide body aircraft for larger airlines that have them. Norco3921 (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

It's still on a case by case basis is each article, per the consensus on the talk page. BilCat (talk) 21:35, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

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November 2024 stowaway case

I removed the mention of the 2024 Delta Air Lines stowaway case from Delta Air Lines#Controversies and passenger incidents. The article is being discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/2024 Delta Air Lines stowaway case.

1. The most relevant page I found is WP:WikiProject Aviation/Aircraft accidents and incidents (advice page/essay, shortcut WP:AIRCRASH). Although it is aimed at aircraft accidents, this point seems pertinent: Template:Tq. According to this April 16 article, Template:Tq The TSA made undisclosed changes: Template:Tq I speculate that they were minor. Similar considerations apply to potential mentions at List of accidents and incidents at John F. Kennedy International Airport and Charles de Gaulle Airport#Accidents and incidents.
2. The other item in the section is 2024 Delta Air Lines disruption, which is obviously more significant.

I explain a similar removal at Talk:Stowaway#November 2024 airline in-cabin case. Flatscan (talk) 04:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

2022 Southwest Airlines Scheduling Crisis Mention

In the “Controversies and passenger incidents” section, there is a part that reads “The incident closely resembled the 2022 Southwest Airlines scheduling crisis, when a factor outside of the airline's control triggered a resulting mass cancellation event.” Nowhere in the source is it mentioned that the 2022 Southwest crisis was caused by a factor outside of the airline’s control. I believe this was worded incorrectly and should be changed to remove the “factor outside of the airline’s control” part. SurrealPip (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Resolved! SurrealPip (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2025 (UTC)