Talk:Dardani

Minor stuff

This is a really good article. A lot of time has been spent on the refs. I only have a few small thing I think will improve the presentation.Botteville (talk) 23:35, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding names in Dardania

The source from Malcolm where he quotes Katicic does not say only that Thracian names were on the Eastern Strip, in fact the study from Katicic claims East of Dardania had mostly Thracian names and west of dardania mostly Illyrian:

"A special problem is posed by the anthroponymy of the Dardanian territory. Some of the native names recorded there belong to the Illyrian (Monunius, Etuta, Epicadus, Scemlaedus), some others belong to the Delmato-Pannonian system (Andia, Anna, Dasius, Plannius). In eastern Dardania the native names are predominantly Thracian. It seems that in the west of Dardania an originally Illyrian anthroponymy was superseded by a Delmato-Pannonian stratum"

Source: Ancient Languages of the Balkans, Katicic

So this is what Katicic claims.

There is a source that claims the Dardani were Moesians and that their towns Nish and Scupi were Thracian. So it seems East of Dardania was mostly Thracian, west of Dardania Illyrian

"The Dardanians, who are said by Nicholas Damascenus, Strabo, Appian and others to be Illyrians, were regarded by Dio Cassius as being Moesians. And Stephanus says that their towns of Naissus [Nish] and Skupi [Skopje] were Thracian"

1774 Johann Thunmann: On the History and Language of the Albanians and Vlachs TheCreatorOne (talk) 06:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with what I added in addition to what has already been added. If you would like to bring more information from various ancient authors, then please do so. The more information, the better. TheCreatorOne (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, the information you added was based on a 1774 source, which is unreliable. In all ancient sources Dardanians are considered either Illyrians or a people of their own. Several recent reliable sources point this out. They were included in Upper Moesia when the Romans established this province, but the Dardanians were never described as a "Moesian tribe" in an ethnic sense, which would be anachronistic and very inaccurate. The term "Moesi" for a Paleo-Balkan people appeared only in Roman times, and we do not even know whether they were an actual people or the term was transplanted from Anatolia by the Romans to refer to some Paleo-Balkan peoples. On the other hand the Dardanians appear since the archaic-classical era already formed as a separate ethnic group, with their own polity.

Before editing the article, I suggest you read it in its entirety, and read all the quotes and check the sources provided, because all your edits until now reflect your lack of a sufficient knowledge on the subject of the article, and they certainly do not improve it. – Βατο (talk) 09:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The source is unreliable because it's a 1774 publication and the Dio Cassius quote which TheCreatorOne thinks that he's citing doesn't exist.Dio Cassius: Template:Tquote As such, the statement that "Dio Cassius regarded the Dardani as being Moesians" is a misreading by an 18th century source.--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The Etymology of Diell

The etymology is diell "sun" is brought up to showcase the formation of *ǵʰ to *dʑ, however this etymology may not be presented as a fact when other sources do not include this *dʑ. The University of Munich has the most up to date project on Albanian etymologies and the etymology for Diell goes as follows: Diell < *dʲęła- < *dela- < PPA *délu̯a- < PIE *ǵʰelh₃u̯o- “the gleaming one”. The source is here: Demiraj, Bardhyl / Neri, Sergio (2020): DÍELL . In: DPEWA.URL: https://www.dpwa.gwi.uni-muenchen.de/dictionary/?lemmaid=14061. As can be seen, *ǵʰ here goes straight to *d in the earliest form of the language and remains as such until very late. *dʲ also does not resemble dz or a similar sound at all, but more di- or dj-. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shqypëtari (talk • contribs) 06:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)