Talk:Coventry City F.C.

Kit

I've just added the standard football club infobox to this article, but have been unable to find out what colour CCFC's away socks are. Consequently I've left them as white in the kit diagram. Could someone who knows please update the page so the socks are the correct colour, or if by chance white is the correct colour, leave a reply here to that effect? Thanks, --Lancevortex 15:39, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Should there be a correction regarding "Only Brown shirt in the history of the league?" As Tottenham now sport an atrocious brown kit on occasion. 8 Mar, 07

Golden Period

If I remember correctly, Jimmy Hill was the manager during the golden period and also installed seating in the mid 60s which was ripped out by Leeds United fans during one game? I'm not certain of the dates, but I remember it as having happened.

Vandalism

Ah, so there IS someone out there who thinks that Chuck Norris jokes are funny. Maybe it's always 2004 in his thick skull. --Adrianics 11:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

FA Cup Glory

I removed the following long nested parenthetical aside which made the sentence about missing UEFA a pain to read:

(they had played in the European Fairs Cup (later UEFA Cup), notably beating Bayern Munich (a team that included a young Franz Beckenbauer) at home 2-1, but losing on aggregate)

And it didn't really belong there anyway. --Bdoserror 07:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree it made it a pain to read, but this an important piece of information as it involves Coventry's only European campaign. I will therefore add it back in elsewhere in the article. --Aleaf.biz 10:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, that's what I was hoping for. Cheers. --Bdoserror 07:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Runs in the top flight

I removed the comment

Between 1967 and 2001, a period of 34 years, they were continuously members of England's top division although they never finished higher than sixth. At the time of their eventual relegation, only Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton could claim to have amassed a longer tenure in top-flight English football than Coventry.

as 7 clubs have better records than that. They are: Arsenal 82*, Sunderland 59, Everton 54*, Liverpool 46*, Aston Villa 46, Blackburn 46, Sheff Utd 37, Coventry 34, Newcastle 34, Man United 33*

.* means their current run is the longest

--Aleaf.biz 15:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool have also now won both the FA Cup and FA Youth Cup in the same year- 2006!

External Links

For some reason someone decided to remove all the external links from the page bar four sites, so I've changed them all back to the original (Asmith6 22:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC))

Wikiproject Coventry

It might be worthwhile starting a project to improve the pages on Coventry. You can express an interest at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Coventry. Snowman (talk) 13:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Project now started. Snowman (talk) 20:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

New wikiproject

Wikipedia:WikiProject Coventry is available. Users can plan wikipedia articles on Coventry City F.C., or any pages relating to Coventry Snowman (talk) 20:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comments

This is in reponse to a request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Assessment to upgrade the rating of this page:

The page could probably be moved up to B class purely on the volume of information there, but that wouldn't disguise the fact that this article needs a lot of work to get close to being a Good Article. Main areas of weakness as far as I'm concerned are:

• Lack of references - there's only a handful
• History section is too long and very recentist. Any excess detail could be broken out into a new article History of Coventry City F.C.
• Contains weasel words: "many felt he should have been scouting", "and many still believe unfairly" etc. State who and cite.
• There are some NPOV issues and peacock terms, "their impressive 34-year tenure" for example
• Needs more flowing, joined-up prose that is more than just a timeline of events. Every paragraph in the The Ranson/SISU Era section currently starts with "On such and such a date" for example.
• Major headings are given to relatively trivial aspects of the subject, e.g. Sky Blue Sam
• Notable recent players seem to have been chosen arbitrarily. What makes these players notable?
• It should be possible to add more images to the article.

I hope this is useful. It's also worthwhile looking at existing featured articles such as Arsenal F.C. or Ipswich Town F.C. to get some ideas on how to improve the article. Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 20:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

image size

One of the images is too big and not in line with wiki style. To progress beyond a class B this image size needs to be a standard size. The image puts too much prominence on one player, but a photo of the team would be good. The same image can be seen on the linked page in the infobox, which tend to have larger images. The image also interferes with the lists to its left. I think that it would be best to remove the photo in question; see WP:IUP. Snowman (talk) 19:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

john tudor

Someone might wish to add John Tudor info to this page. --  Chzz  ►  20:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Kit colours?

AIUI the Bantams (as was) played in various kits such as blue and white and red and green before Jimmy Hill introduced sky blue in the 60s. What with that, the historically significant Talbot shirt of 1981 and various horrors like the brown one, Coventry have had one of the more interesting kit histories, which deserves a section to itself. And of course any "nickname" use of Sky Blues should be removed from history before the Hill era.FlagSteward (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Cashless System

Not sure were to put this info as Cov City are the first UK club to install a totally cashless system http://www.ccfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~1270286,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.28.132 (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

External Links

The 'Cov.me' link should be removed as there is no content on the site at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.28.206 (talk • contribs) 08:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done Keith D (talk) 14:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Aidy Boothroyd

He has been fired (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/coventry_city/9423992.stm)Bihco (talk) 10:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please stop it. LacsiraxAriscal (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Stuff I removed from the lead

"Since August 2011, Coventry City fans have been protesting for SISU to be removed, however SISU have deployed Response Officers to stop Protests and remove banners from Coventry Fans. These protests have been seen on The Football Review Show, Midlands today and also featured on Mercia Radio. A video of the protest was also featured on The Coventry Evening Telegraph Website.

On the 10th of September a sixteen year old boy was assaulted by a Steward and Response Officers during Coventry City's game with Derby County on Saturday. It is understood that the boy was sat in his regular seat with those who unfurled a SISU Out banner at the rear of the Coventry Telegraph Stand during the game and was assaulted as he attempted to leave the stadium after others including his father were ejected. The club later issued a statement regarding the incident. "

This, to me, doesn't belong in the lead. However, given the "History in brief" section, I don't think these "events" belong there either. So I'm leaving it here for experts in CCFC to decide on the best course of action. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

History in Brief

Taken from the history in brief section:

1970 – Coventry qualified for the European Fairs Cup (now the UEFA Europa League) but lost 7–3 on aggregate in the second round to Bayern Munich, despite winning the second leg 2–1 at Highfield Road. In that year, Highfield Road became the first all-seater, floodlit stadium in the country

1981 – The club reaches the League Cup semi-final but are denied their first Wembley appearance by West Ham United. Highfield Road becomes the country's first all-seater stadium.

so which year did Highfield Road become the first all-seater stadium? Stillmans39 (talk) 17:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Current shirt badge

Can some one upload the retro-look badge that's currently being used on the shirts. See [1].

Edd of Mercia (talk) 11:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Squad table format

A discussion is being held here on the possibility of rolling out a new squad template. The new template, named Template:Tl, differs from the standard squad layout in several ways:

• It features a sort function
• Comes in a single column format that can be understood by screen readers.
  • Single column format ensures that low resolution browsers, including mobile devices, do not get part or all of the second column cut off.
  • Single column format ensures less clutter, particularly at lower resolutions, for wide sections such as the Arsenal loan section.
• It gives nationality its own column; at present flags are featured in a blank, untitled column
• It complies with Wikipedia's guidance on flag usage.
• It leaves enough space to add images of current players, an example of which can be seen at Watford F.C#Current squad.

It is proposed that the new template be added to some of Wikipedia's most high-profile club articles, which might include Coventry City F.C.. To give your thoughts, please read and contribute to the discussion at WikiProject Football.

Regards, Edinburgh Wanderer 19:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Sky Blue trust removal

I have semi-protected the article for a bit to stop a sock-puppeting editor from removing this referenced section in toto. Please discuss whether this section is appropriate for inclusion here. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 August 2013

I am a Sky Blues fan, A new player has joined.

Skyblueshaun (talk) 16:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Shaun, please give details so that an Admin can make the change for you while the page is locked down. JMHamo (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

• This is what I assume Shaun is referring to. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:36, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: JMHamo is right - I have no idea what edits should be made to the page at this point. Please say exactly what you want changed, or better still, copy the article into a sandbox (e.g. Talk:Coventry City F.C./sandbox) and make the edits there. When you've put together a more specific request, please reactivate the Template:Tl template. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 16:42, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Since the above was rejected, I'm going to make the request: Please add Mathieu Manset to the first team squad, as per [2]. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:52, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done. I think I've done it, but your request was still pretty unspecific, so it's hard to know if I did what you intended or not. Please file another request if it needs to be changed. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 17:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to me Senor Strad. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

• I don't think that needed to be any more specific, to be honest; I deliberately used the name of the section heading required, after all. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

• Ideally I'd like the exact place and the exact wikitext that you would like added. With just knowing the section heading there is still a world of uncertainty (although it looks like my guess was pretty much on target). — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 20:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 August 2013

Can you please edit that Mathieu Manset is no. 10 for the club please. Thanks Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Really we need a source before we can add the info. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 14:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

BBC? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

CCFC Skyblueshaun (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done. The BBC source didn't seem to say anything about him being number 10, but the CCFC source was very clear on the point. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 August 2013

Coventry City have signed Scottish international Andy Webster. He is a defender. CCFC. Thanks

Skyblueshaun (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. What is the exact wikitext you would like to be added to the article, and where do you want it to be placed? — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:23, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

p.s. I've added him to the first team squad list, as that seemed like the thing you probably wanted. If you need anything else done to the article, reactivate the Template:Tl template and please be specific. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2015

Manager-Matthew List Assistant manager - George Ireland

Ccfcanonymous (talk) 17:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC) Template:Nd - Please provide a reliable source for the change. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

History behind club crest

I've been thinking about expanding the main Coventry City F.C. page to include a small section on the history behind the club crest and where the different parts come from. Anyone think it's not relevant or should be included? Craig (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

History in brief

The "history in brief" section of this page appears to be of mixed quality, recent-ist and of limited value. Would a proper prose history section, as is typical of football club pages (e.g. Liverpool F.C.), not be more suitable?

--james_mc (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Game of Shame

The Wikiticle [[Jimmy_Hill#Coventry_vs_Bristol_City_controversy] claims Hill was chairman at the time. Yet, here it say that Jack Scamp or Phil Mead were chairman during the Sunderland sinker, a claim that is disputed by a couple of online articles. Examples: [3] [4]. Who's right? Fossa_?! 11:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Article improvement/rewrite

Hi all

I am hoping to start some work on this article, with a view to maybe taking it to GA/FA status in the future. For starters, by writing up a proper history section rather than the rather unusual bullet points that are there at the moment. Liverpool F.C. (a featured article) seems to be a good guide as to how a club article should be structured so could base it off that. If anyone has suggestions or thoughts, please let me know. THanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Courtsy pinging significant contributors: Officially Mr X Skyblueshaun MrHorse1982 Keith D Mattythewhite  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

An initial thought would be to create a separate article on the rent-strike, ground sharing, and subsequent ongoing litigation and just make brief reference to this in this article or you may find that that could take a significant portion of the article. Keith D (talk) 21:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Right, thanks that's a good idea. That way we can preserve the material that's already been written here on those subjects, but not have them dominate the overall page. There's always an issue with recentism in articles, especially events that have happened since Wikipedia was founded, simply because people update things as they hear about them. Even the Liverpool featured article manages to cover almost 100 years of history in the first three paragraphs, with the last 30 years covering the remaining six paragraphs. There's good documentation in books to be able to cover the earlier years of CCFC so will be aiming to do that. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 22:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Could also be used in the Ricoh Arena article. Keith D (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Yep. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, it's taken me almost four years to get to this point, but I've now dropped in a new prose-form History section as mentioned above. This contains most of the detail that was already in the "History in brief" so haven't lost too much. As noted above, some recent history has been curtailed rhough. Regarding the rent strike issues that is covered in the same amount of detail at History of Coventry City F.C. so probably doesn't need its own dedicated article yet, unless a lot more is to be written on the subject. Any feedback of edits welcome, and I'll be copyediting it and improving other sections too in the coming months hopefully, with a view to a GA/FA run. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect Badge

Hello all

I have been told (correctly) the main article badge is wrong. It is missing windows on the castle, and the phoenix's eye is missing. This can be annoying when journalists use the image directly from here, and I would hate for it to become the new norm over time. Could someone with more knowledge of image licencing than me please update. Thanks all. Coventryy (talk) 19:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct, and I have no idea why we are using an incorrect badge. User:RonBot seems to be the person who uploaded the image back in 2018, previously User:Wutzwz in 2017 and User:Malpass93 in 2011. They will have to tell us whether this was for copyright reasons, but frankly my opinion is that the most important thing should be using the correct image. Officially Mr X (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Reply File:Yes check.svg Done Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 19:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Reply Thanks for looking into this mate, but you've used a 'retro' badge. A small way to tell the difference is the green area behind the ball, and the light shade of blue. May I recommend this one? https://i2-prod.coventrytelegraph.net/incoming/article8068484.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_citybadge.jpg Coventryy (talk) 19:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't know how to convert jpg to svg. You will need to find someone who does. P.S. remember the "1499" in my username next time you ping me :) Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Reply Ok nevermind, I've uploaded a new file. This should be ok. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 20:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Seasons section

As all of the 'Seasons' section on this page is already included on a separate page: List of Coventry City F.C. seasons, would it not make sense to remove the list on here and link to the separate page to avoid duplication. Furthermore, it seems quite arbitrary to show the seasons from 1958–59 onwards. Would anyone have any objections to removal? Michaeldble (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Expanded club staff section

I created an expanded table to more clearly visualise the chronology of managers, assistant managers, and chairmen at the club. Somebody felt the need to revert this edit but it seems like a perfectly good and reasonable addition to the article, in my opinion. If you spot any points of inaccuracy then you're welcome to make a correction, but having this info hidden on a "talk" page rather than the main article isn't particularly useful to the average internet browsing fan. My belief is that we should be looking to improve and expand upon all articles when relevant information is available. Can we discuss any objections?

1. REDIRECT Template:Legend inline

Dates	Chairman	Dates	Manager(s)	Dates	Assistant Manager(s)
1883–1907	Unknown	1883–1885	Template:Flagicon William Stanley	1883–1907	Unknown
		1885–1887	Template:Flagicon Harry Hathaway
		1887–1892	Template:Flagicon J.G. Morgan
		1893	Template:Flagicon Teddy Kirk
		1893	Template:Flagicon George Maley
		1893–1895	Template:Flagicon Joe Collins
		1895–1900	Template:Flagicon Tom Cashmore
		1900–1902	Template:Flagicon Ben Newhall
		1902–1905	Template:Flagicon Michael O'Shea
		1905–1908	Template:Flagicon Joe Beaman
1907–1912	Template:Flagicon Thomas Owen			1907–1908	Template:Flagicon Jimmy McIntyre
		1908–1909	Template:Flagicon Walter Harris	1908–1909
		1909–1910	Template:Flagicon Harry Buckle	1909–1910
		1910–1913	Template:Flagicon Robert Wallace & committee	1910–1912
1912–1928	Template:Flagicon David Cooke			1912–1913	Unknown
		1913–1915	Template:Flagicon Frank Scott-Walford & committee	1913–1915
		1915–1917	Template:Flagicon H. Howard & committee (caretaker)
		1917–1919	Template:Flagicon William Clayton	1917–1924	Unknown
		1919–1920	Template:Flagicon Harry Pollitt
		1920–1924	Template:Flagicon Albert Evans
		1924–1925	Template:Flagicon Harry Harbourne (caretaker)
		1925–1928	Template:Flagicon James Kerr	1925–1928	Unknown
1928–1935	Template:Flagicon Walter Brandish	1928	Vacant
		1928–1931	Template:Flagicon Jimmy McIntyre	1928–1931	Unknown
		1931	Template:Flagicon Bill Slade (caretaker)
		1931–1945	Template:Flagicon Harry Storer	1931–1935	Unknown
1935–1946	Template:Flagicon Fred Stringer			1935–1945
		1945–1947	Template:Flagicon Dick Bayliss	1945–1946
1946–1954	Template:Flagicon George Jones			1946–1947	Template:Flagicon Billy Frith
		1947	Vacant
		1947–1948	Template:Flagicon Billy Frith	1947–1953	Unknown
		1948–1953	Template:Flagicon Harry Storer
		1953–1954	Vacant
1954–1958	Template:Flagicon W Erle Shanks	1954	Template:Flagicon Jack Fairbrother	1954	Unknown
		1954–1955	Template:Flagicon Charlie Elliott (caretaker)
		1955	Template:Flagicon Jesse Carver	1955–1957	Unknown
		1956	Template:Flagicon George Raynor
		1956–1957	Template:Flagicon Harry Warren
		1957–1961	Template:Flagicon Billy Frith	1957–1958	Template:Flagicon Wilf Copping
1958–1960	Template:Flagicon Walter Brandish Jr.			1958–1959
				1959–1960	Template:Flagicon Alf Wood
1960–1973	Template:Flagicon Derrick Robins			1960–1961
		1961–1967	Template:Flagicon Jimmy Hill	1961–1962	Vacant
				1962–1967	Template:Flagicon Alan Dicks
		1967–1972	Template:Flagicon Noel Cantwell	1967–1970	Vacant
				1970–1972	Template:Flagicon Bill Asprey
		1972	Template:Flagicon Bob Dennison (caretaker)
		1972–1974	Template:Flagicon Joe Mercer	1972–1973	Template:Flagicon Gordon Milne
1973–1975	Template:Flagicon Peter Robins			1973–1974
		1974–1981	Template:Flagicon Gordon Milne	1974–1975	Template:Flagicon Tommy Casey
1975–1977	Template:Flagicon Jack Scamp			1975–1977	Template:Flagicon Ron Wylie
1977–1980	Template:Flagicon Phil Mead			1977–1980
1980–1983	Template:Flagicon Jimmy Hill			1980–1981
		1981–1983	Template:Flagicon Dave Sexton	1981–1983	Vacant
1983–1984	Template:Flagicon Iain Jamieson			1983
		1983–1984	Template:Flagicon Bobby Gould	1983–1984	Template:Flagicon Don Mackay
1984–1990	Template:Flagicon John Poynton			1984
		1984–1986	Template:Flagicon Don Mackay	1984–1985	Vacant
				1985–1986	Template:Flagicon Frank Upton
		1986–1987	Template:Flagicon John Sillett Template:Flagicon George Curtis	1986–1987
		1987–1990	Template:Flagicon John Sillett	1987–1990	Vacant
		1990–1992	Template:Flagicon Terry Butcher	1990	Template:Flagicon Dixie McNeil
1990–1993	Template:Flagicon Peter Robins			1990–1991
				1991–1992	Template:Flagicon Mick Mills
		1992	Template:Flagicon Don Howe (caretaker)
		1992–1993	Template:Flagicon Bobby Gould	1992–1993	Template:Flagicon Phil Neal
1993	Template:Flagicon John Clarke			1993
1993–2002	Template:Flagicon Bryan Richardson			1993
		1993–1995	Template:Flagicon Phil Neal	1993–1995	Template:Flagicon Mick Brown
		1995–1996	Template:Flagicon Ron Atkinson	1995–1996	Template:Flagicon Gordon Strachan
		1996–2001	Template:Flagicon Gordon Strachan	1996–1997	Template:Flagicon Alex Miller
				1997–2001	Template:Flagicon Garry Pendrey
		2001–2002	Template:Flagicon Roland Nilsson	2001–2002	Vacant
				2002	Template:Flagicon Jim Smith
2002–2005	Template:Flagicon Mike McGinnity
		2002	Template:Flagicon Steve Ogrizovic (caretaker) Template:Flagicon Trevor Peake (caretaker)
		2002–2003	Template:Flagicon Gary McAllister	2002–2003	Template:Flagicon Eric Black
		2003–2004	Template:Flagicon Eric Black	2003–2004	Template:Flagicon Archie Knox
		2004	Template:Flagicon Steve Ogrizovic (caretaker)
		2004–2005	Template:Flagicon Peter Reid	2004–2005	Template:Flagicon Adrian Heath
		2005	Template:Flagicon Adrian Heath (caretaker)
		2005–2007	Template:Flagicon Micky Adams	2005	Template:Flagicon Adrian Heath
2005–2007	Template:Flagicon Geoffrey Robinson			2005–2007
		2007	Template:Flagicon Adrian Heath (caretaker)
		2007–2008	Template:Flagicon Iain Dowie	2007	Template:Flagicon Tim Flowers
2007	Template:Flagicon Joe Elliott			2007
2007–2011	Template:Flagicon Ray Ranson			2007–2008
		2008	Template:Flagicon Frankie Bunn (caretaker) Template:Flagicon John Harbin (caretaker)
		2008–2010	Template:Flagicon Chris Coleman	2008–2009	Template:Flagicon Steve Kean
				2009–2010	Template:Flagicon Steve Harrison
		2010	Template:Flagicon Steve Harrison (caretaker)
		2010–2011	Template:Flagicon Aidy Boothroyd	2010	Template:Flagicon Steve Harrison
				2010–2011	Template:Flagicon Martyn Pert
2011	Template:Flagicon Ken Dulieu			2011
		2011	Template:Flagicon Steve Harrison (caretaker) Template:Flagicon Andy Thorn (caretaker)
		2011–2012	Template:Flagicon Andy Thorn	2011	Template:Flagicon Steve Harrison
2011–2012	Template:Flagicon John Clarke			2011–2012
2012–2014	Vacant			2012
				2012	Template:Flagicon Richard Shaw
		2012	Template:Flagicon Richard Shaw (caretaker) Template:Flagicon Lee Carsley (caretaker)
		2012–2013	Template:Flagicon Mark Robins	2012	Template:Flagicon Richard Shaw
				2012–2013	Template:Flagicon Steve Taylor
		2013	Template:Flagicon Lee Carsley (caretaker)
		2013–2015	Template:Flagicon Steven Pressley	2013–2014	Template:Flagicon Neil MacFarlane
2014–2023	Template:Flagicon Tim Fisher			2014–2015
		2015	Template:Flagicon Neil MacFarlane (caretaker) Template:Flagicon Dave Hockaday (caretaker)
		2015–2016	Template:Flagicon Tony Mowbray	2015	Template:Flagicon Neil MacFarlane
				2015–2016	Template:Flagicon Mark Venus
		2016	Template:Flagicon Mark Venus (caretaker)
		2016–2017	Template:Flagicon Russell Slade	2016–2017	Vacant
		2017–2024	Template:Flagicon Mark Robins	2017	Template:Flagicon Steve Taylor
				2017–2023	Template:Flagicon Adi Viveash
				2021–2023	Template:Flagicon Dennis Lawrence
2023–	Template:Flagicon Doug King			2023–2024
				2023–2024	Template:Flagicon Adi Viveash
				2024	Template:Flagicon George Boateng
				2024	Template:Flagicon Rhys Carr
		2024	Template:Flagicon Rhys Carr (caretaker)
		2024–	Template:Flagicon Frank Lampard	2024–	Template:Flagicon Joe Edwards

Officially Mr X (talk) 00:40, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello there, I don't have any issue with the table, it's the addition of the assistant manager part that I have an issue with. If you wanted to reinstate the table with just the chairmen and managers, I'd have no problem.

"My belief is that we should be looking to improve and expand upon all articles when relevant information is available". Yes, but this is original research, there are no sources added for something that is quite difficult to verify. I'd also add that I don't think the history of assistant managers is particularly notable anyway. The article already seems bloated to me (mostly with unsourced info anyway) so I really don't think this part is needed. Thanks Michaeldble (talk) 11:18, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ping I think including chairmen in the table is excessive, and not in line with articles on other clubs. I would suggest a simple table with just the managers. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't have strong feelings either way for that but I think it could do with being sourced if it is to stay. Thoughts @Officially Mr X? Michaeldble (talk) 19:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

I think we can do better than other clubs, to be honest, and perhaps can set a better precedent for other articles. It is far more informative to present the chronology in a way that integrates different entities, such as the overlap between managers and chairmen, and other important periods/tenures of the club. I agree that the history of assistant managers is a bit patchy in the pre-1960s era, but I'm sure it's something that Jim Brown and others are perfectly capable of helping with. There have been some very notable assistant managers over the years, deserving of a mention somehow, and via a table/timeline seems like a strong presentation method. Officially Mr X (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ping My main concern with this is that we don't want this article to be a long and hard to read collection of tables on all the possible stats you might muster, which would be counter to WP:INDISCRIMINATE, particularly point 3, WP:NOTSTATS. The stats tables should be focused on those which are most relevant for readers to understand the club on a broad level and, if necessary, more specific tables such as "Notable Academy graduates" and the list of chairmen and assistant managers could be split off into sub-pages so they don't bloat the page and distract from the main narrative. My ultimate goal here is to elevate this page to GA or FA status, and I've been using the relatively recent FA Cardiff City F.C. as a loose guide to how such a page might be structured, which as you'll see is very sparing on its use of tables. While there might be things we could improve on compared to other football club articles, it doesn't at all follow that more material is always better. Readability and getting the essential points across concisely are also important. Cheers. 12:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ping I was never a particular fan of the seasons section either for this same reason, personally I think it would need to be adapted or removed if you were to get this article up to GA/FA standard. Thoughts? Michaeldble (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:Ping yes, I agree. It seems excessive and such a section is not present in FAs such as Cardiff City F.C. and Liverpool F.C.. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)