Talk:Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus

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This page is confusing, were the treatise written first, or the biblical text. Someone more knowledgeable than I should fix it.

A rather rude review…

Here, by Peter M. Template:Ifsubst !

Budelberger (   ) 03:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC).

It wasn't meant to be rude. Peter Head — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.60.91.11 (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

2 Thessalonians & 2 John: 'lost' or 'excluded'?

The present text frames the fact that the CER doesn't contain 2 Thessalonians and 2 John as an accident by saying these epistles were 'lost' and this makes the manuscript 'not intact'. However, do we have evidence to suggest that they should have been in there, or could it also be that they were excluded on purpose because they were not considered canonical? If we don't know, then we shouldn't phrase the information as if we do. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:36, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

McDonald 2017 says the following: "Later, the palimpsest codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (C 04, ca. fifth century) reportedly included all of the NT books, but it is not certain that it includes 2 John and 2 Thessalonians." Now it would be interesting to know which document the "reportedly" refers to; perhaps it is the CER itself, which wouldn't tell us anything, because the author may have had the opinion that these two epistles did not belong in the canon, and therefore 25 books were 'all of the NT books' in his opinion. I'll see if I can get more evidence. It looks like scholars do not agree whether they got lost or were excluded. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:52, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Gallagher 2017 asserts 2 John was 'surely' and 2 Thessalonians 'probably' originally part of the CER. Interesting. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

If the codex provided a table of contents listing which books it contained, or how many, that could settle the question pretty easily. The Muratorian fragment's beginning was lost, but it indicates the third gospel was Luke and the fourth John, so it is reasonable to infer from the text itself that there were four gospels in total and the first two were Matthew and Mark. Do we have any such evidence within the CER indicating there should have been a 2 Thessalonians and 2 John? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 05:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)