Talk:Buffy Sainte-Marie

Her nationality in opening sentence

As per the MOS, a person's nationality or citizenship is referred to in the opening sentence. "Canadian-American" or "American-Canadian" are *not* nationalities. She should be referred to either as "American" or "Canadian", or, if she has dual nationality, as "American and Canadian" (or vice-versa) if she is closely associated with both countries (which she is). Afterwriting (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I suggest that she is referred to as "American and Canadian". It seems logical to me to have her birth nationality first and an acquired nationality or citizenship following. I'm assuming that she is a legal citizen of both countries. What do others think? Afterwriting (talk) 02:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

No citizenship of Canada Moxy🍁 02:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. In that case I suggest that she should probably be only referred to as "American". Afterwriting (talk) 02:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

False claims higher in lead

Now that many of the prestigious awards she won while falsely claiming an Indigenous identity have been rescinded, shouldn't that go higher into the lead? Perhaps adding a second sentence after the opening sentence about her career?  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 19:03, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Potentially, but there was a well participated RfC about this. Granted, it is a bit stale since it is from 14 months ago. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:14, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

That was long before the awards were rescinded and around the time of the documentary was just released, so a lot of changes were happening to her article.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 05:00, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I getcha. I guess my advice is be bold and go for it, discuss if reverted as usual, and if discussion doesn't show a clear favorite, to then do a new RfC to try to see if the circumstances are different enough to change things. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

The lead reads pretty well to me in it's current state. She is most notable for her music career. So focusing on that first is fine and the last paragraph of the lead covers the controversy. Only change I'd make is remove "social activist" from the first sentence. Per MOS:FIRSTBIO, the lead sentence should focus on Template:Tq Social activist is receiving undue weight in the lead. Nemov (talk) 15:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Marriage and offspring info is gone

Marriage and offspring info has been removed. That's common bio info. It would be good to get it sourced and back in. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:24, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@North8000 - I do agree with you and I don't remove unsourced personal info without at least having a look for sources; I couldn't find any in this case. Best wishes, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 08:18, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Cool. North8000 (talk) 13:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

• marriages to Dewain Bugbee, Sheldon Wolfchild, Jack Nitzsche: https://www.cbc.ca/music/read/buffy-sainte-marie-75-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-canadian-icon-1.5010129
• Marriage to Jack Nitzsche: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/21/buffy-sainte-marie-documentary-interview
• marriage to Sheldon Wolfchild: https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/my-time-on-sesame-street-with-buffy-sainte-marie/24486/

 oncamera  _{(talk page)} 19:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Looks like we're doing this at the same time. I've found some other references (some contemporary) about her marriages and put back in some details with references. Seaweed (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Claim of Indigenous Identity

This paragraph:

On the day before the broadcast of The Fifth Estate, the Descendants of Piapot and Starblanket issued a statement defending Sainte-Marie's ties to the Piapot First Nation, saying: "We claim her as a member of our family and all of our family members are from the Piapot First Nation. To us, that holds far more weight than any paper documentation or colonial record keeping ever could." They also criticized the allegations against Sainte-Marie as being "hurtful, ignorant, colonial — and racist"

These statements may or may not be true, and these people may or may not have made them, but neither quote appears in the citation given. A new citation sourcing the actual quotes, is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

This is not true. Both quotes do appear verbatim in the cited source. Regards, HaeB (talk) 08:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutrality in Summary

The opening summary on the subject’s ethnic controversy seems overly weighted to the case against her. I think it would better fit Wikipedia’s values to include some details for the opposite perspective that are described in the respective dropdown, like that she is still an enrolled member of the Piapot Nation, which seems more important for a cursory overview than some other details included. 2603:8080:A2F0:21D0:4C5A:5C00:1AB5:64F4 (talk) 04:20, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Source that she has enrollment?  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 07:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia is usually pretty accurate but with the inclusion of the phrase ‘take a DNA test to prove her indigenous roots’, all Wikipedia has unintentionally done is prove how stupid and eager to spread lies they are in Buffy’s case. 65.27.111.148 (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)