Talk:Brothers of Jesus
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Jesus' brothers. Jose.was NOT the father of Jesus, but yet he is mentioned as his father, meaning that they didn't have to be his "flesh" brothers..
Jesus' brothers. Joseph was not Jesus' father, but he is mentioned as such, meaning his "brothers" didn't have to be his "flesh" brothers. 2605:BA00:3208:924:6CF5:9C85:F216:7D88 (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Wrong. "Jesus son of Joseph" - John 1:45. The 'virgin birth' is a myth and a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14. However, Y'shua bar Yosef was the Reincarnated God. 2600:1700:3DC4:8220:809E:FBC2:479:C5A8 (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Relative to Jesus' brothers, which some say were his "blood" brothers; in the New Testament, Joseph is called "Jesus' father" even though he wasn't which could mean they weren't his "blood brothers. 2605:BA00:3208:924:6CF5:9C85:F216:7D88 (talk) 01:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
"No Biblical Evidence"
The page states more than once that there is "no Biblical evidence" for Joseph being an older man and the Adelphoi being step siblings and/or cousins, but the most common scriptural evidence given by Catholics seems to be twofold. Firstly, Joseph died before the crucifixion, and secondly Jesus has to give Mary away to be taken care of by John, an Apostle who was not a blood relative. These two pieces are the most common given by Catholics, so in the interest of fairness the page should reflect this instead of the biased statement of "there is no Biblical evidence" Ptinkle99 (talk) 03:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- But the apostle Paul met Jesus's own brother. That throws a monkey wrench in that reasoning. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Verifiability
Template:Re I can see the WP:RS (Segal) on Google Books. It confirms (WP:V) "of the same womb". Don't pretend it doesn't, we're not schoolchildren.
Pretending it does not say "of the same womb" only tarnishes your reputation as a Wikipedia editor. We take a dim view of such shenanigans.
Before you object: it does mean "brothers", but the literal translation is "of the same womb". The field "lit." is not meant for the meaning, but for the literal translation. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere have I said that it doesn't say the words "of the same womb". I simply stated, as the source says, that this is the etymology of the word, rather than the strict literal definition. Here is a quote (emphasis mine):
- “As her defiance of Creon continues into the stichomythy, her word homospanchmos some fifty lines late etymologically defines ‘brother’ as ‘of the same womb’ (511). Homospanchmos calls attention to the root meaning of the familiar word for ‘brother,’ adelphos, from a- (“same” equivalent to homo-) and delphys (“womb,” equivalent to splanchma).”
- This clearly states that this is the etymological definition of the word, rather than its literal translation. Anotherperson123 (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Re True, but inessential. This is getting tedious, so please read the whole page. Your argument does not fly. Let me state it again: such behavior is not appreciated.
- I.e. combating Segal's manifest view with a quote from the same page is not done. WP:NOTDUMB.
- In case you still cannot figure out what I mean, see the quote provided for WP:V purposes at [1]. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think you may be confused about what a literal translation is, as it is nothing other than the meaning of a word apart from its context in a phrase or sentence. As such, literal translations translate word for word. It does not mean translating part-of-a-word for part-of-a-word. Anotherperson123 (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Re Now there are three WP:RS, including one which literally says "literally". Your POV does not trump three WP:RS, and more sources could be WP:CITED, since this is not a dubious matter, instead it is broadly accepted.
- At Wikipedia there is some room for editorial discretion, but that room ceases to exist when the sources have spoken.
- To end this dispute, I WP:CITED WP:RS which endorse both "of the same womb" and "brothers" as literal meanings of adelphoi.
- So: which is true? Both are true! tgeorgescu (talk) 08:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Adelphopoiesis
Is there not also the simple possibility of brother-making ceremonies (adelphopoiesis, much like adoption) being responsible for these adelphoi? Under which they would be Jesus's siblings but wouldn't have been actual relatives. GlobalPeas (talk) 06:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- According to our article, that's a kind of medieval Christian thing, probably not known in 1st century AD Galilee and Judea. AnonMoos (talk) 04:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Rabbi Jesus son of Joseph had 7 Siblings: 4 Brothers - GOD=GOOD=7_4
GOD=GOOD=7_4 Theory (Seal #2) appeared in the 7 Siblings of Y'shua: 4 brothers - James (Yakov), Jose (Joseph), Simon, Judas (Jude). The Reincarnating God also had three sisters. "Jesus son of Joseph." - John 1:45. The 'virgin birth' is a myth. 2600:1700:3DC4:8220:809E:FBC2:479:C5A8 (talk) 21:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)