Talk:Britpop

Grunge - I disagree that Britpop was seen as a reaction to it

I was there at the time. Nirvana were huge, and other grunge bands were popular, but nevertheless grunge was not a particular important genre to British audiences. No one was saying "I'm sick of all this grunge, let's do artful guitar pop like the Beatles/Kinks/Smiths instead." It emerged more naturally than that. Blur was the only band explicitly reacting to American culture, and Britpop is more than just Blur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.80.242 (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree, and it seems that the whole "reaction to American Grunge" narrative is a journalistic construct driven by British music writers and critics who feel it necessary to define the constraints of Britpop's evolution under that very paradigm.--71.177.31.147 (talk) 21:22, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

From my researches, Britpop was a media created and media driven movement. Most informed sources point to the Select magazine issue of April 1993 as the point of origin for Britpop. And that article was spurred by a response to the NME's hostile reaction to Morrissey draping himself in the Union Flag six months earlier, and to the influence of grunge, Kurt Cobain in particular, on the UK music scene. Here's the first page of that article: [1]. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:37, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I've just noticed that Stuart Maconie was responsible for both the Select article and the NME article: [2]. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:52, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Does this need to be "Stuart Maconie has claimed that...".--SabreBD (talk) 11:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Maconie claims to be the one to invent the term "Britpop", but I'm not seeing any evidence of that. He doesn't use the term in the Select issue that sources point to as the start of Britpop (he says "Great British pop", he says "British pop" and he invents a term that was never repeated of "Crimpolinism"). But that the term wasn't used, doesn't mean that the concept wasn't started, and perhaps when he says he invented the term, perhaps what he means is the concept. And that April 1993 Select issue does bring together some of the elements most associated with Britpop, and that is what informed sources say is an origin of the concept. I'm still looking into this, and I'm up to late 1994 with no evidence yet of the use of the term in the papers, though some sources say that the term was being used by papers in 1994. I'm reading reviews in the music papers of albums by the main Britpop bands, and nobody is yet using the term Britpop! This is not a concern, as most movements or musical styles are not born in one moment with a ready description. The description tends to come later. Though it would be useful to get some specific details for the article so that we are not asserting something such as "the Britpop" term was invented in 1993 and was widely used by the media in 1994" which appears not to be true, though we can say that "sources say Britpop originated with the April 1993 issue of Select" or - as we have at the moment: "The issue included features on Suede, The Auteurs, Denim, Saint Etienne and Pulp and helped foment the idea of an emerging movement", which I think is acceptable (though perhaps "encourage" or "instigate" might be more readily understandable words than "foment"). SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:40, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Even during August 1995, the "Battle of Britpop", I'm not finding the term used in music or mainstream newspapers - as shown here: [3]. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Merge The Britpop Story

I'm not seeing significant enough notability or material for having The Britpop Story as a standalone article. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Where's Ray Davies and XTC?

I've seen both referred to as the "Godfather of Britpop". Yet no mention in the article. What gives? Some sources:

--Ilovetopaint (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Britpop revival

The section is merged from Britpop revival following a discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Britpop revival. If you disagree with the merge, you can discuss it here. Hzh (talk) 15:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

TFI Friday

From NME...

"With only maybe 20 actual Britpop bands to play with, compilation compilers, listicle writers and documentarians, by necessity, expanded the edges of the scene to take in swathes of bands that had arse all to do with it: The Verve, Manic Street Preachers, Radiohead, Ocean Colour Scene, Reef".

I would agree with the NME is correct on this viewpoint, but with the mention of Ocean Colour Scene and Reef being lumped in with this scene, maybe the article needs to have a mention of 'TFI Friday' somewhere, as it seems to be the show most associated with the Britpop scene.

References

The Good Mixer, Camden

I don't think there is anything about The Good Mixer pub in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.172.75 (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)