Talk:Bezymianny

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There was some stuff small amount of stuff at Bezymyanny (volcano) - I merged it here.EdwardLane (talk) 12:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

2011 eruption

nice modis image of small ash plume from Bezymianny, which has labels and a scale here

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Transcription of Name - Rename

It should be "Bezimyanny"; the root word is "imya" ("name"), not "ymia". KWiki (talk) 12:24, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

KWiki, I see that you moved/renamed this article from Bezymianny to Bezimyanny on 7 November 2023. This move/rename should be reverted. Bezymianny is an English transliteration of the Russian spelling of each letter in the name; it is not a translation of the meaning of the name. Bezymianny is the common name in English for this volcano (even if it is not the most accurate possible transliteration). The Russian meaning is not relevant now to the English common name. Perhaps, Russian language rules caused this problem by changing the 'и' of 'имя' to 'ы' in Безымянный and then English transliterated 'ы' as 'y' not 'i' in this volcano's name, based on standardised transliterations for Cyrillic letters that have been used for more than a century. Perhaps English should have taken more notice of the Russian meaning ("without a name"). But that did not occur, therefore we have a mess. My Google search finds only 5 English web pages using the spelling Bezimyanny before you changed this Wikipedia article's title (which now has increased to 706, probably at least partly because your name change is being used in multiple Wikipedia-mirroring websites). My Google search for Bezymianny currently finds 103,000 web pages. A more restricted search, of academic sources on Google Scholar, currently finds 25 web pages using Bezimyanny but 3,210 for Bezymianny. The titles of Wikipedia articles should use the common name of the article's subject - see WP:COMMONNAME. In this case, the English common name for this volcano is Bezymianny, not Bezimyanny. The redirect linking these two spellings should also be swapped. GeoWriter (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you. In this specific case, Russians put ы in order to avoid palatalization of Z (because ы is a "hard" letter, and и is a "soft" one, that is, in order to Z be pronounced as Z, not as a softened Z). But I realized that much later. And I appologize for the rushed moving / renaming. KWiki (talk) 11:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, guess what: I made another rushed mistake during changing the name back, and now I cannot correct it because I am not an admin here (something should be deleted and I cannot do it myself). A lesson for me for the future, I guess. KWiki (talk) 11:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and for reverting the move/rename. The article and the redirect look OK to me now. Has an administrator already corrected the mistake that you were not able to fix because you do not have enough editing rights? GeoWriter (talk) 15:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

No. It seems that I just thought that I had made another mistake. :-) Best wishes. P. S: I like geography too. :) KWiki (talk) 02:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)