Talk:Benning Wentworth

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Benning is worth a longer article, describing both the reasons why he wasn't popular and his role in securing recognition for New Hampshire as separate from the Massachusetts colony.

I also think Benington, Vermont was named for him, but can't confirm it to mu satisfaction. If anyone can verify this, please add it to the article. Lou I 19:25, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

There is also Bennington, NH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrarabuildingcompany (talk • contribs) 12:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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My apologies. A reference on this page prompted me to dig a little deeper. After further review, I have determined Elizabeth (wife of Benjamin Underwood) to be the daughter of Gov. John Wentworth, which makes her the sister of Gov. Benning Wentworth. CCDesigner (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Going against MOS:OSNS

In this edit Dabberoni15 reverted my addion of the OldStyleDate template. MOS:OSNS contains the following guideline: Template:Quote I feel the use of the Template:Tl template serves the same purpose as a footnote. In any case, I believe it is not a good idea to totally remove any mention that the article contains Julian dates later than 4 October 1582.

The same editor has made similar changes to Thomas Penn which I do not agree with. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jc3s5h, I'm glad you've taken to the talk page to resolve this dispute. Personally, after revisiting your additions I feel as if the implentation of old style dates would be better done as a footnote to avoid cluttering the lede. I've done so- please let me know if you have any thoughts on the changes. Regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 18:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The changes made by Dabberoni15 are not true. The 18:47, 11 October 2022 UTC version of the article claims in the footnote

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In the case of Benning Wentworth, he died on October 25, 1770 new style, also known as the Gregorian calendar. Because new style dates went into force in the UK and it's colonies, including what would become the United States, on 14 September 1752, it would be startling if any source stated Wentworth's death date in the old style (that is, the Julian calendar).

Wentworth's birth date is generally given as July 24, 1696. Usually reference works and historians would use the old style for such dates, because the birth occurred in the colony of New Hampshire, and the Julian calendar was in force at that time. We can confirm this by searching in American National Biography. I can't find any mention of their date policy in the online version, but the print version in the Calvin Coolidge Library at Castleton University states that the dates follow the calendar in force at the place of an event.

The new style (Gregorian calendar) date that corresponds to July 24, 1696 is August 3, 1696.

These concerns also apply to Thomas Penn, except that both the birth and death of Penn occurred while the old style was in force in the UK and American colonies. Jc3s5h (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. That seems like quite a pickle. I would like to note for the sources used for both the Wentworth and Penn articles, all of them unfailingly utilise the dates as they were before this discussion, which is why I didn't include any other dates in the articles in question. What do you recommend? If you'd argue for putting certain dates in the lede, I'd like to draw your attention to my previous concerns about potentially "cluttering the lede". Thoughts? (Also, the illeist approach is unconventional, if you don't mind me saying so.) Dabberoni15 (talk) 20:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

There is a good footnote in the lead of George II; the situation is similar for him. The editors of that article chose to put the Gregorian birth date in the lead and the Julian birth date in the footnote. I have no objection to doing the reverse in the Benning Wentworth article. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, the dates for the Wentworth and Penn articles have been modified to suit what you have suggested. Please feel free to correct them yourself if they are still incorrect. Regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 12:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I have made changes to reflect that the calendar change occurred during both men's lifetimes, so their birth dates might be stated in either calendar, but their death dates would always be stated in Gregorian. Because Penn's article contains dates in the 1st quarter of various years, I mentioned in the footnote that 1 January is always treated as the beginning of the year, even though March 25 was treated as the beginning of the year in the British colonies, England, Ireland, and Whales before 1753. In Scotland the beginning of the year was changed to 1 January in 1700. MOS:OSNS calls for Wikipedia articles to always use 1 January as the beginning of the year. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)