Talk:Awami League

Social liberalism

Wiki N Islam I think the one source supporting social liberalism makes it WP:UNDUE weight for the infobox. I'd also argue it is outdated. We have reliable sources stating that the party is authoritarian, has acted against free speech, arrested critics, censored the media and cracked down on LGBT people. These actions are completely against the ideology of social liberalism. Helper201 (talk) 12:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

AL was still authoritarian & anti-LGBT when the source was published (in 2018). I've previously said that liberal, progressive & secular politics in Bangladesh (specifically, in a conservative Islamic country) cannot be defined in the general global perspective & most of the local independent & reliable sources cite AL as secular & liberal/social liberal. Also, homosexuality isn't a recurring topic in Bangladesh and most political parties ignore as most of the population are conservative and against the legalization of homosexuality. Also, AL was the first govt. to recognize and protectionize third gender & transgenders (Hijras) Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Social liberalism and liberalism in general have a globally defined meaning, of which this party clearly doesn't meet. Wikipedia is a global and international platform and we define parties via global standards of what constitutes various ideologies like liberalism, not what is considered liberalism in a specific country. Even if one ignores the LGBT aspect (which is illiberal to crackdown on LGBT regardless of location), being authoritarian, acting against free speech, arresting critics and censoring media is universally illiberal. Helper201 (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, but AL is still social liberal fiscally. And I hope you will find a reliable source to add secularism cause AL is the national platform for secularism in Bangladesh and Bangladeshis will suspect the relevance of Wikipedia for the absence of secularism in the article. Many local & regional (i.e. Indian) sources cited AL as secular. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Social liberalism is primarily a social ideology, hence the name, so adding it is problematic since the party is not liberal in regards to its social ideology, so that could lead to a lot of confusion for the average reader. In regards to secularism I think this has been questioned in multiple regards. Such as the party not speaking out when secularists and atheists have been killed, as cited on this page. I've also got a source here there explicitly states "the supposedly secular Awami League", putting this ideology into question. And this one that states "the Awami League appears to be falling short in defending Bangladesh’s secularism". And another author states "Both the Awami League and the Bangladesh Nationalist Party have Islamist allies and wear their religious identity with pride." We still have the "Ideology" section of this article which outlines that the party self-defines as secular, which I think is a good compromise. To what degree the party is still secular as of 2023 is definitely questionable. Helper201 (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear,

you have extreme misconceptions. Awami leauge is still standing for secularism and is giving rights to transgender and other minorities. It still strongly stands for secularism. As for attacks on athiest bloggers, that is questionable as Awami league took firm action against the killers and even gave them death sentence. Once again, I repeat there is evidence that awami league isnt right wing and still stands for secularism. Also, authotorianism and liberism is not really same thing and there are many secular leaders like Suharto that was authotorian.By the way sheikh hasina won the elections democratically so she is not actually authotorian but acts authotorian towards illiterate journalists. 2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

You are right. I support adding Secularism & Social liberalism in the ideology. We can't hide it for a long time. Wiki N Islam (talk) 08:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I've provided multiple sources above that contradict this. Helper201 (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ideology

@Helper201 I think the best will be to add in the ideology section of the Infobox is Social liberalism, secularism, environmentalism and pro-Indianism. We have some reliable sources to justify these. Most of the South Asian parties have dual nature: ideological & pragmatic. Most often, these policies contradict each other (Exception: Indian National Congress). Though AL is pragmatically authoritarian & sightly moderate Islamist, it's more liberal & secular than it's archrival BNP in ideological course. It's not Bengali nationalist anymore, coz it doesn't anymore promote Bengali reunification. Moreover, it works for the rights of Jumma people, notably Chittagong Hill Tracts Peace Accord & addition of the article concerning the tribal rights in the Constitution. Wiki N Islam (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Wiki N Islam, disagree, I think we should keep things as they are. I've outlined the multiple issues with the claims of social liberalism and secularism in the above discussion. We don't rate parties on how they differ from their rivals but how they are defined on an international fact-based analysis. The nuanced nature of the main text which describes and makes clear how the party self-defines is a good compromise here. Helper201 (talk) 11:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

we can't keep it hide for a long time. We have to come to a consensus about the ideology. AL isn't Bengali nationalist for sure. So it's either be considered as secular or liberal. Most of the local third-party source describes AL secular. More reliable sources can be found also. Wiki N Islam (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

why don't we come up with a new term? HASINAISM. Cause for last 3 decades AL's policy has been around the interest of Hasina and his family. Hasinaism is a political position that involves Pro-Idian policy, dynastic survival of Sheikh family and Secular appeasement (can't call it secular cause she has backed down on secularism in many instances). Rsakib188 (talk) 14:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Awami leaague is not a right wing party at all

Hi dear, there are some users that are making up false assumptions that Awami league is right wing when it stands for opposite. Awami league does not stand for muslim league and even was behind the liberation of bangladesh. Awami league bought back secularism in bangladesh and intended to destroy religious fanatics. Once again, i have provided valuable information as well as enough evidence to support claim that Awami league isnt right wing and defiantly stands for left wing.

2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

"The Independence"

Minor issue that says that Awami League lead Bangladesh to "the independence" should be it's independence 121.45.107.215 (talk) 04:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2024

Cawoodmine (talk) 12:39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Socialism

It's been more than 30 years this party is not socialist. Hasina used the word 'socialism' in the 2024 interview in a wrong way - which is why it is in quotation marks in the interview. She used it to mean "outcome". So no, the patry did not return to socialism in 2024. The article should be reworded. --95.24.80.215 (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Sheikh Hasina has resigned.

it is mentioned in the intro of the page, but not in the “State leaders from the AL, 1971–present” section, it still shows her as active; unless I’m mistaking that section for something else. I’d fix it myself if I had the ability to or was sure. XxskibiditoiletkillerxX (talk) 09:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2024

The student wing of Bangladesh Awami League has been officially banned by the Government of Bangladesh from all types of political and organizational activities and declared as a Terrorist organization on 23rd Oct, 2024 Aimaruf83 (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done It was easy enough to find sources given that it's a current news story, but make sure to include sources in future requests or it might not be answered. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Can we create an article

Can we made an article for second Hasina government, beacuse this was an important chapter for history of Bangladesh.

pinning @Mehedi Abedin @Ahammed Saad @Bruno pnm ars @BangladeshiEditorInSylhet BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 11:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Stranger43286 Neutral - While it was a important chapter of Bangladesh with corruption, crackdown on opposition and economic struggles and others, In my opinion, I'm not saying no or yes. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 11:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Stranger43286 Also I am kindly asking you to fix your grammar and other stuff.

You said:

"Can we made a article for second Hasina government, because this was an important chapter for history of Bangladesh".

You should say:

"Can we make a article on second Hasina Government because this was an important chapter in the history of Bangladesh". BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 11:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Stranger43286 We should, but covering Hasina's 15 year will be tough. Mehedi Abedin 14:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mehedi Abedin Yeah, It will be tough, It might take dozens of editors like us to Expand and Improve the page. Not all of us have the ability to patrol and edit 24/7. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Agree for the article titled Premiership of Sheikh Hasina, which would cover both of her terms (1996–2001 and 2009–2024). Ahammed Saad (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ahammed Saad If premiership of Sheikh Hasina is created, then can I write about other prime ministers of Bangladesh? I will begin writing on 3 November. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 17:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome. Please knock me if you start that. Ahammed Saad (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ahammed Saad Ok Sure. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 01:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@BangladeshiEditorInSylhet @Ahammed Saad I have created the article History of Awami League. But It is almost fully copyedited from the History section. You can help by adding more content. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 13:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

First let's edit this article's history section and summarize the History of Awami League's contents here, guys. Ahammed Saad (talk) 15:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Template:Agree for the article titled Premiership of Sheikh Hasina. Tuhin (talk) 13:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Mujibism ideology and center left political position

Please add Mujibism to the ideology. Their ideology is mujibism. Please make it clear. Also the political position is center left since they've allied with the left wing parties of Bangladesh. Wikiwaki6969 (talk) 06:51, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

The party's political position is not big tent. It's center-left. Please set it to center-left. Here's my evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Hasina#Early_political_career

Also whoever turned on semi protection for the article of Bangladesh Awami League. Please turn it off and let people edit for updating it. Wikiwaki6969 (talk) 11:50, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2025

please add the crimes against humanity during july 2024 report by the UN Human rights org.

and Aynaghar related information involving awami league's rule, Dr yunus's visit there and discussions of banning the party for its crimes

Arknights12 (talk) 05:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 19:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Ideology (2)

@Wafitauyan Self-designated ideology can't be added in the political party infobox. It's not supported by the sources. I request you not to go in ant edit war. Let's discuss here. You can check out other discussions here too why I'm prohibiting you about adding Democracy, socialism, nationalism & secularism. Ahammed Saad (talk) 06:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ahammed Saad I read many political parties article on Wikipedia, editors added party's self-designated ideology. Wafitauyan (talk) 06:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Wafitauyan Encyclopedia Britannica can't be a credible source here. Cite a research paper or news journal to support your opinion. And again, self-designated ideologies can't be added in the infobox, no matter whether it's historical or modern. If it was, then conservative democracy would have been added in the AK Party infobox. Ahammed Saad (talk) 06:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2025

The Ideology section has been vandalized, their ideology is Democracy, Bangladeshi Nationalism, Socialism and Secularism. The party is not far-right it is centre-left. 37.111.213.64 (talk) 23:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

File:X mark.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Valorrr (talk) 01:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoax sources for "far-right" and "fascist".

Recently, an edit (Special:Diff/1287660567) was made to this article by user Ahammed Saad that defined the political position of the party as "far-right". The following sources were cited:

All of these sources are "fake" - President Ziaur Rahman is a work of fiction and it admits as much. Why would a work of fiction be used to classify real-life political parties?! Worse, we also see two others sources - Survival Strategies of Jamaat as a Religion-Based Political Opponent in Bangladesh and Masks of Authoritarianism: Hegemony, Power and Public Life in Bangladesh. In this case, we have a single source pretending to be one, because the former (Survival Strategies of Jamaat...) is a chapter of the latter (Masks of Authoritarianism...). Yet this book does not use the word "far-right" at all. Not even "far right", "radical right", "extreme right". And this is how the cited page 112 looks like. No reference to far-right at all.

I also noticed this reference: Template:Tq But now, if we look at the "multiple sources" cited, none of them uses the word "fascist" at all. This is a WP:HOAXy claim.

In other words, the sources used to prove the party is "far-right" or "fascist" were either a work of fiction or failed to substantiate the claim at all. I thus call for action if such incident happens again, and for caution if any other user makes such claim again. Brat Forelli🦊 13:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Brat Forelli🦊 13:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2025

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151.76.39.192 (talk) 17:15, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 20:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2025 (2)

Abrarward (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Dear I beleive there are some misleading written on this page. To clariy such things i need to edit this page

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 20:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

The awami league is not banned

Hello, The awami league political acitivies are temporarly banned but the party is not unregistered as per as election registration. Therefore the awami league is not banned but face restrictions. The president of bangladesh is awami league.Abrar ward (talk) 15:33 P.M., 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 6 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW close. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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Awami League → Bangladesh Awami LeagueBangladesh Awami League – 'Bangladesh Awami League' is the most suitable name. PauKau (talk) 07:13, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Most suitable in what way? Google ngram viewer shows the use of"Bengladesh Awami League" is a distant second, almost insignificant. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per commonname and suitable name is not a rational for move.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Support. The famous political party of Bangladesh, before it's name the country’s name must be added, like Pakistan Muslim League (N), Pakistan People’s Party etc, the Bangladesh Awami League is the official name of the political party, the party is popularly known as 'Awami League'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.210.21 (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia prefers Common name than Official name. There is less value of official name in Wikipedia. Mehedi Abedin 08:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, the present name is okay. Mehedi Abedin 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Wikipedia's policy on article titles explains our naming conventions in detail. The name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred. That name is "Awami League". Official names like Bangladesh Awami League are redirects and are mentioned within the article. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. And what do you actually mean by "the most suitable name"?? Ahammed Saad (talk) 09:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.