Talk:Apollo

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Hurrian-Aplu

Proposed deletion of Aplu (deity)

This is a mesage from my talk page by P Aculeius (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC). I believe that Aculeius is right, and any reference to the Hurrian "Aplu" must be deleted. Jestmoon(talk) 14:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I have since removed the passage about "Aplu" from the Origins section of the article. The whole assertion of a Hurrian/Hittite deity named "Aplu" in relation to Apollo appears to be a simple & blatant a case of WP:OR. (The information can seemingly be pinned down to a particular user dating back to 2006, who seems likely to have been the performer of the original research.) — Jamie Eilat (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Seated Apollo picture is not Apollo

File:MANNapoli 6281 Sitting Apollo Farnese.jpg

Apollo seated with lyre. Porphyry and marble, 2nd century AD. Farnese collection, Naples, Italy.

"Apollo seated with lyre. Porphyry and marble, 2nd century AD. Farnese collection, Naples, Italy." This statue is not of Apollo at all, it is clearly a female seated with a lyre. The statue is wearing a dress, visible empire waist and breasts. Remove the image from the Apollo wiki please - Apollo 70.15.121.120 (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Apparently it is the "diocese of Rome" restored as Apollo. Not sure - the pics here need a bit of a going over generally, I'd say. Johnbod (talk) 15:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

But MOS:IMAGES says (in summary) that images are to illustrate, not to decorate. Some latitude to give an overall impression of the topic but this one is so 'odd' that an explanation would be essential. The image was the second provided to illustrate the section Apollo#Etymology: I see nothing in the text of that section for which it is remotely relevant. I will remove it for now and repost it here on the off-chance that someone can make a convincing case to reinstate it (which will mean writing the accompanying text that it illustrates).

The work is in the National Archaeological Museum Naples (Farinese Collection), which provides a full description. This partly confirms Johnbod's recollection:

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and goes on to say

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So it may be that the work has been "restored" beyond recognition? Either way, it is really not at all obvious that it is WP:DUE in this article and thus should not remain. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I was going from the Spanish on the image file (the fullest): "Estatua de la diosa Roma, restaurada como Apolo citaredo. Pórfido rojo y mármol blanco. Obra romana de la segunda mitad del siglo II d.C. Colección Farnesio, Museo Arqueológico Nacional de Nápoles". Presumably, as with so many Roman sculptures, the head and body were not originally together, which the Italian doesn't quite get round to saying. I should have a chance to see it in a few weeks. My Spanish is home made, but at least I have been able to improve the redirect for diosa. Johnbod (talk) 20:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that was my surmise too, but the text is circumspect:

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I'm with the illustrious judges File:Face-smile.svg. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Apollo appears in the myths and Greek paintings as both an effeminate youth and a cross-dresser, so I would argue that the femininity of this statue must not be a reason to not identify the statue with Apollo, as even the National Archaeological Museum of Naples also identifies this as Apollo Destroyed. Though, I agree it is not very relevant to be in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo#Etymology. Adiga77 (talk) 15:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1. Laurel on the head

2. Harp

3. Male arms and legs

4. Adam's apple

5. Apollo's face

Yes, it's Apollo Awyachin (talk) 12:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately we can't rely on your judgement (nor mine) on the question, see WP:no original research (and wp: reliable sources). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Whatever. It was rightly removed over a year ago. Johnbod (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2024

"to append the following section"

Temples of Apollo

Etruscan and Roman temples

The Temple of Mercury at Puy de Dôme is a Gallo-Roman trachyte temple initially built in the in the 1st century BCE and later rebuilt on a larger scale in the 2nd century following its destruction. Situated at the summit of the lava dome in the Auvergne region in central France, this temple was discovered in 1872 during the construction of a meteorological observatory.

NimrifJ (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Removal of Presumptive Linkages to Homosexuality

This article has no place in being categorised as "Homosexuality and Bisexuality Deities" nor "LGBT themes in Greek mythology" as there are both no expressions of homosexuality in Apollonian myth nor are there any mentioned in the article. There are expressions of love between Apollo and males, but this is not ever stated to be nor ever manifests as sexual attraction.

The terminology "male lovers" is similarly misrepresentative, being inherently charged and suggestive of sexuality for a contemporary reading audience. Where one may interpret homosexuality, another may interpret deeply Platonic friendship - for which there is great basis to believe was the intended form of love. The suggestion that Apollo is a homosexual deity is incongruent with the sources provided, and suggests a biased POV. It is further worth mention that, with Apollo being a Greek deity, a depiction by a Roman author being depicted as mythological canon is arguable in itself. One may argue that the inclusion of later non-Hellenic depictions as canonical is legitimate, given that Apollo is still worshipped as a deity by many today.

"The romantic nature of their relationship was first described by Callimachus of Alexandria, who wrote that Apollo was "fired with love" for Admetus." To call the relationship romantic can imply a necessary sexual attraction, which is not further expressed in the text. A less charged term should be adopted.

Should one wish to highlight the modern interpretations of Apollo as a homosexual deity, they should be welcome to do so in an appropriate manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.179.191 (talk) 08:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Why does Thyraeus redirect here?

There is nothing in the article about this name. Should Thyraeus (mythology) be move over the redirect? There is something in Anthelioi about this being an epithet of Apollo, but the available snippet of the cited reference in Google Books doesn't provide enough context to verify. older ≠ wiser 12:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Sun is not a planet

It is said in the article that his planets are Mercury and Sun. Sun is a star and not a planet. Isn’t that a mistake to correct? Rokuon (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

The ancient Greeks considered the Sun to be a planet. See classical planet (which is linked in the infobox). ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Consistency of "classical" vs "ancient" Greek religion in short descriptions

Of the 12 other Olympian deities, all but Ares and Hephaestus (which simply say "Greek") use "ancient Greek [religion|mythology|goddess]." The text "classical Greek" in this article's short summary even links to the article on Ancient Greece as well; indeed, because classical Greece is a specific subset of the period rather than a synonym for it, I feel like this is confusing. I tried reviewing talk page archives to check whether I missed a preexisting discussion and was unable to find any.

Would anyone object to my changing the short summary, then? I'll wait to edit for a few days, to be conservative. – spida-tarbell ❀ (talk) (contribs) 04:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The lead was changed from "ancient to "classical" without explanation, back in 2013.[1] "Classical" can be a broad term too (studying classics, the Oxford Classical Dictionary, our own Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome) but "Olympian deities in classical Greek ..." might suggest a restricted reference to Classical Greece. NebY (talk) 16:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you finding the history and agreed re: Classical Greece! – spida-tarbell ❀ (talk) (contribs) 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2025

Artemis is his twin sister, not his twin brother. Though it does say "goddess of the hunt", it still calls her his brother instead of sister. 2600:1700:CC0:1140:30D2:ED24:35E0:AADC (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I think you're misreading. The lead says that Apollo is "the twin brother of Artemis, goddess of the hunt". I've searched for brother elsewhere in the article, and I don't find any place where Artemis is characterized as Apollo's brother. Deor (talk) 17:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Citation number 271 is incorrect

Hello,

I have never edited Wikipedia before, or participated in a Talk so I'm sorry for if I get some etiquette wrong. Citation Number 271 on this page is incorrect. This is what the citation if referring to:

"In the first Olympic games, Apollo defeated Ares and became the victor in wrestling. He outran Hermes in the race and won first place."

And this is what it states is the citation for this claim: Herodotus, Histories 5. 7. 10

I looked up Histories by Herodotus because this is a myth I have heard second hand a few times, but no one has been able to provide an actual source. The issue is that Herodotus, Histories isn't formatted in a way in which the citation "5. 7. 10" makes sense. Still, I read through book 5 to see if this story is mentioned, but it isn't.

That's because the correct citation for this is Pausanias, Description of Greece. The person who created this citation got the numbers correct, as 5. 7. 10 does discuss this myth:

"Now some say that Zeus wrestled here with Cronus himself for the throne, while others say that he held the games in honor of his victory over Cronus. The record of victors include Apollo, who outran Hermes and beat Ares at boxing. It is for this reason, they say, that the Pythian flute-song is played while the competitors in the pentathlum are jumping; for the flute-song is sacred to Apollo, and Apollo won Olympic victories."

So I believe they simply misremembered their sources.

I was going to fix the citation myself, as the entire reason I created a Wikipedia account was to fix this citation (so others wouldn't have to go on such a journey to find the correct source), but Apollo's page is semi-protected (which I understand, he is a very popular god and I don't want his page to be vandalized), I would just like someone who can fix the citation to please do so? Thank you! Amanda0Was0Here (talk) 10:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, and hunting down the correct reference. I've fixed this in the article. – Michael Aurel (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2025 (UTC)