Talk:Andrey Razumovsky
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As far as alternative spellings are concerned, let me refer you to the aeiou encyclopaedia. <KF> 17:23, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
Portrait
"There is a portrait of Razumovsky at the Vienna Kunsthistorisches Museum." What is this supposed to mean? Is this the portrait? What's the source on this?--Suessmayr (talk) 18:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Rozumovsky spelling
- Well, isnt' Britannica a well-established Egnlish source? And it seems like it spells the last name of this Ukrainian noble family as Rozumovsky (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/511702/Kyrylo-Rozumovsky). Additionally, it uses Ukrainian language as a source to latinize Andriy Rozumovsky's father Kyrylo Rozumovsky, which consequently gives a good reason to use Ukrainian as a source language to latinaze Andriy Rozumovsky's name. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- 0 versus 73 works is a definite no-go, sorry. The ratio is also in favor of "Kirill Razumovsky" 2:1, but that's beside the point here. --illythr (talk) 01:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well I wouldn't use Google scholar as a ultimate source to decide how to spell Ukrainian last names. I would say Britannica is the way to go. P.S. Just for your information by far one of the most dominant reasons of why there are so many more incorrect spellings of of Rozumovsky family on Google scholar is because great many of those research papers/books actually talk/mention one of those pieces composed by Ludwig van Beethoven and entitled "Razumovsky Quartets," and not about famous Rozumovsky family members. I have nothing against that composition of Beethoven and don't argue at all that the composition needs to be renamed, since it was obviously up to Beethoven to decide how to spell the last name of Andriy, but that provides us a poor indicator as to how to spell this Ukrainian nobility name. So I say let's stick to Britannica. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Google Books and Scholar results are not the ultimate authority in naming things, true. However, they are useful for performing quick reality checks when someone claims that their preferred variant is the correct or the most widely used one. In this particular case, the check defeats such a claim for the purposes of establishing common name quite soundly. As for the quartet being the source - this is actually how name "translation" tends to happen (until late XX century, at least). Wikipedia doesn't care if the original adaptation was a mistake - only that it had stuck enough to become the most recognizable of all the variants. I also didn't find anything on Andre/iy Ra/ozumovsky in Britannica. But even he were mentioned there, it'd only warrant the addition of one more variant to the list (which is already done), while keeping the common one as the primary. --illythr (talk) 17:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well I wouldn't use Google scholar as a ultimate source to decide how to spell Ukrainian last names. I would say Britannica is the way to go. P.S. Just for your information by far one of the most dominant reasons of why there are so many more incorrect spellings of of Rozumovsky family on Google scholar is because great many of those research papers/books actually talk/mention one of those pieces composed by Ludwig van Beethoven and entitled "Razumovsky Quartets," and not about famous Rozumovsky family members. I have nothing against that composition of Beethoven and don't argue at all that the composition needs to be renamed, since it was obviously up to Beethoven to decide how to spell the last name of Andriy, but that provides us a poor indicator as to how to spell this Ukrainian nobility name. So I say let's stick to Britannica. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Countess "Constantine Joseph Dominic Tyurgeym"
A woman of that name never never existed. All appearances of this nonsensical name on the Web can be traced to this generally flawed Wikipedia entry.--Suessmayr (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Conversion to Catholicism
His 1816 marriage entry proves that Razumovsky did not convert to Catholicism.--Suessmayr (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
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More spelling
The lead had stated that there are various spellings, including "Razumovsky, Rasoumoffsky and Rasoumoffsky". Since the second and third of those are identical, I've changed the second to reflect another spelling that is sometimes used (including in the article), namely Rasumofsky. However I can't verify which (if any) of those is the spelling used in the English translation of the Treaty of Paris. I've left it that it was "the last" of those three variations, but if anyone can provide a source for that, that'd be great. Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 01:05, 17 November 2017 (UTC)