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Tomatoes are botanically fruits not vegetables
In the end of the first paragraph, it is stated that, "...onions being the second most grown vegetable globally after tomatoes as of 2023..." In some places, tomatoes are legally defined as vegetables, but from a biological point of view (which should transcend differing legal systems' interpretations) they are fruits. Assuming the rest of the sentence is true, then as of 2023 Onions would be the #1 most grown vegetable as of 2023. Possibly this can be resolved when updating the source to a more recent study. 131.239.244.178 (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The dichotomy between fruits and vegetables is culinary, not botanical. (In fact, there is no botanical definition of "vegetable", as far as I'm aware.) And the culinary meaning is messy. Language is messy.
- The word "fruit" was in use by ordinary people long before its botanical meaning was codified. There is no sense in which botanists own the word "fruit". It is not the case, that the rest of us must obey the botanists.
- The precise meaning of the sentence is not clear, without digging into the references cited. For example, it definitely doesn't include corn as a vegetable. If you wanted to clarify the text based on the references, then that might be an improvement to Wikipedia. Regards, Mgnbar (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Cannot confirm that statement with references
The references I find have potatoes followed by sugar beet as the most grown vegetables, which sounds realistic https://worldostats.com/global-stats/most-produced-vegetables-in-the-world/. So I suggest just dropping this sentence. Cwule (talk) 06:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know which sentence you're talking about. The second-biggest-vegetable sentence? I can't check the first reference, but the second reference supports the claim.
- Meanwhile, it's possible that sources conflict with each other, because of disagreement about "vegetable". Sugar beets might be excluded, because their main use (as far as I understand) is in producing sugar. Potatoes might be excluded, if they are lumped in with grains as starchy staples. (Please note that I am not expressing an opinion myself.) Mgnbar (talk) 11:04, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for not specifying the sentence, yes meant the second biggest vegetable sentence. I would probably remove it, since it needs so many exclusions to be correct. Cwule (talk) 00:25, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- I get it. But it would be nice to convey to the readers that Allium is a big class of crops, that people interact with every day. That's the value of the sentence, flawed as it is. Hmm. Mgnbar (talk) 01:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for not specifying the sentence, yes meant the second biggest vegetable sentence. I would probably remove it, since it needs so many exclusions to be correct. Cwule (talk) 00:25, 5 June 2025 (UTC)