Talk:Albert Fish

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2024

Albert Fish was referenced in the song “Fish” by Tyler, The Creator 2603:7080:42F0:8C00:B5FC:E4C9:CD58:A93A (talk) 01:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Wasn’t Albert fish referenced in the song Fish by Tyler the Creator?

The song fish seems to be a direct reference to Albert fish Sidewaysrichtofen (talk) 02:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2024 (2)

The song “Fish” by Tyler, The Creator references Albert Fish Sidewaysrichtofen (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Emil Aalling and Robin Jane Liu

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but two victims appear to have been entirely invented since there isn't a single citation predating the 2010s containing their names or abduction/death dates. Aalling and Liu were first added on June 28, 2013 without a source and were left alone for several years before sources were added. The book added as a source for Liu contains no mention of her and deals only briefly with Fish as a subject anyway. The pdf for Aalling appears to be the work of students, not staff, of the Radford University, and takes its information solely from online sources, including wikipedia itself, which makes me think there could be circular reporting at play. Only two of these seem to even center around serial killers: Serial Killer Database (which can't be accessed anymore) and the google pages of a Richard Arthur Norton, who is apparently a wikipedia user? The other references are dead link pages to websites for law research, paranormal tours and webpage building. Aalling was actually removed early on, but readded using the pdf source. I'm genuinely baffled why these names have never been verified because simply looking up their names brings up no results except sources that, again, cite wikipedia. Rubintyrann (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

That is...strange indeed. I did a little googling when I saw this post and I, too, can't turn up anything for either "victim" that doesn't appear to be a likely-circular reference. The editor who added them (who, fun fact, took their username from another mass murderer) said this on the talk page at the time, which would seem to indicate they were relying on pretty unreliable sources for their addition (which may be why they didn't add sources in their article edit?). Certainly blogs and Tumblr don't qualify as reliable in my mind. I would support removing those two names from the article unless/until someone can turn up more reliable information. Fluffernutter (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for finding this, Rubintyrann! I have removed the spurious statements now. Gawaon (talk) 12:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Steampianist Song

The VOCALOID producer created a song called "Willow's of Wysteria", which is a song about Albert Fish. Currently the song has 9.1 million views on YouTube, in my opinion that would constitute the song as being culturally relevant enough to add onto the page. 2600:8801:1290:AC00:39EE:AEEE:40C9:5EB0 (talk) 21:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

This was discussed before, see the archived discussion. Nothing came out of it at that time. Do you know of independent reliable sources discussing the song? That would support the case for adding it, but I wasn't able to find anything at that time. Gawaon (talk) 09:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)