Talk:Alan Shepard
Latest comment: 18 March 2025 by Hawkeye7 in topic Lists children’s as 2 but names 3 daughters??
<templatestyles src="Module:Message box/tmbox.css"/><templatestyles src="Talk header/styles.css" />
| This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Alan Shepard Template:Pagetype. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
| Template:Find general sources |
| Archives: Template:Comma separated entries<templatestyles src="Template:Tooltip/styles.css" />Auto-archiving periodScript error: No such module "Check for unknown parameters".: Template:Human readable duration File:Information icon4.svg |
Script error: No such module "Check for unknown parameters".Script error: No such module "Check for deprecated parameters".
Script error: No such module "English variant notice". Script error: No such module "Article history". Script error: No such module "Banner shell". Template:Skip to bottom User:MiszaBot/config
Criticism
I think the account of Apollo 14 should include criticism of Shepard by scientists. According to the FA article on the mission, its geological results were disappointing because Shepard refused to take the training seriously. Dudley Miles (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think Wehwalt wrote that article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think the Apollo 14 article provides a nuanced view of things. He wasn't enthusiastic about geology but he did have a lot on his plate after a decade on the ground. The extent to which that contributed to the inability to reach the rim of Cone Crater is left to the reader. Possibly something could be said here.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Wehwalt. The Apollo 14 article covers activities on the Moon very well, and I decided to only summarise here. That may have resulted in a less balanced view. My sources indicate that the ornery "icy commander" was completely absent during this period, and that he trained hard for Apollo 14. Like most astronauts he had little interest in geology, but this was not what kept him from reaching the rim of the Cone Crater. Despite his age, his stamina was rated the highest of any moon walker by the NASA doctors. My understanding is that the decision to turn back was dictated by concerns about having sufficient oxygen to get back to the LM. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I was thinking about the comment about the geological training: "The effectiveness of the training was limited by a lack of enthusiasm shown by Shepard, which set the tone for Mitchell." Also geologist Lee Silver: "The Apollo 14 crews did not have the right attitude, did not learn enough about their mission, had the burden of not having the best possible preflight photography, and they weren't ready." The complaints were not about the failure to reach Cone Crater (which according to the article was due to exhaustion) but about the samples from the distance they did reach. Articles should cover criticisms, otherwise they are unbalanced. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Climbing Cone Ridge - Where Are We?: 33:23:23 Haise: And, Ed and Al, we've already eaten in our 30-minute extension and we're past that now. I think we'd better proceed with the sampling and continue with the EVA.
- Shepard, from the 1971 Technical Debrief - "If we'd gotten to the point where we'd been willing to do away with the rest of the traverse (that is, do their work at the Cone rim and then proceed directly back to the LM without stopping), we could have made the rim all right. But I personally wasn't willing to do that. I felt that gathering more samples was the better of the two choices. We looked at the map again today and described two boulder fields that indicate that we were probably within 150 to 300 feet - depending on these two boulder fields - of the rim and still were not able to see it. That was a pretty good-sized lunar feature, to be that close to the top of the thing and not see it. That is just part of the navigation problem."
- Nothing about exhaustion, just time. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- That is not what the Apollo 14 article says but it is beside the point. Shepard was not criticised for failing to reach the rim but because his lack of enthusiasm for geological training adversely affected their ability to choose and correctly label the best geological specimens. The article should cover this point. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- I was thinking about the comment about the geological training: "The effectiveness of the training was limited by a lack of enthusiasm shown by Shepard, which set the tone for Mitchell." Also geologist Lee Silver: "The Apollo 14 crews did not have the right attitude, did not learn enough about their mission, had the burden of not having the best possible preflight photography, and they weren't ready." The complaints were not about the failure to reach Cone Crater (which according to the article was due to exhaustion) but about the samples from the distance they did reach. Articles should cover criticisms, otherwise they are unbalanced. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Wehwalt. The Apollo 14 article covers activities on the Moon very well, and I decided to only summarise here. That may have resulted in a less balanced view. My sources indicate that the ornery "icy commander" was completely absent during this period, and that he trained hard for Apollo 14. Like most astronauts he had little interest in geology, but this was not what kept him from reaching the rim of the Cone Crater. Despite his age, his stamina was rated the highest of any moon walker by the NASA doctors. My understanding is that the decision to turn back was dictated by concerns about having sufficient oxygen to get back to the LM. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think the Apollo 14 article provides a nuanced view of things. He wasn't enthusiastic about geology but he did have a lot on his plate after a decade on the ground. The extent to which that contributed to the inability to reach the rim of Cone Crater is left to the reader. Possibly something could be said here.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
How many years is Alan Shepard Old ?
Can Anyone Answer ? 115.98.109.111 (talk) 12:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Merger proposal
Template:Reply to Any objection to merging Shepard's Prayer into Alan Shepard (leaving it as a redirect)? Currently just 2 sentences and seems unlikely to be expanded. Random fixer upper (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- No objection. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- I support the merging, why has this not been done yet? 2.38.150.183 (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks -- added it to the 'In popular culture' section and changed the Shepard's Prayer page back to a redirect. Random fixer upper (talk) 01:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Lists children’s as 2 but names 3 daughters??
Question # of children. 2605:59C0:10F6:FB10:292A:B176:3938:8F78 (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Try reading the article. Template:Tq Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:01, 18 March 2025 (UTC)