Talk:Afrikaners

Global Presence

Neither the Netherlands nor Belgium offer working holiday opportunities to South Africans, and with the UK's immigration laws that also changed, none of the Commonwealth nations offer working holiday permits to South Africans any more.

Maybe the section on Global presence be changed to reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimc (talk • contribs) 10:36, 2008 December 23 (UTC)

South Africa Census information needs to be updated and certain aspects of the Afrikaner definition should be clarified

South Africa conducted a census in 2022 and published the results in October 2023. This new census data should be incorporated into this article. Currently, this article contains subsections on the results of censuses only up to 2011. I have edited the second paragraph of the introductory section to include information about the Afrikaans language available in the 2022 census.

Also, the subsection "2011 Census" only includes information on "white South Africans who speak Afrikaans as a first language." Is this group synonymous with Afrikaners? The "Nomenclature" section defines Afrikaners as "the majority group among white South Africans" and "the Afrikaans speaking population of Dutch origin." Does not the latter group also include members of the Coloured community? The definition as it is currently written seems contradictory. Further, the section goes on to mention "the word Afrikaner is thought to have first been used to classify Cape Coloureds, or other groups of mixed-race ancestry." If indeed members of the Coloured community could be considered Afrikaners, then only providing information about "white South Africans who speak Afrikaans" may be misleading to a reader. I suggest that someone knowledgeable in this area either change how the information is presented, or provide additional context. JosiahRFoster (talk) 20:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Reversion of the lead/infobox to last stable revision as of February

The most recent revision of the lead and infobox have included a number of problematic changes mostly introduced by IP editors in the past three months. These include the repeated addition of references to an Afrikaner population in the Netherlands that is not backed up by the census data cited, an original research claim that Afrikaners are also commonly known as "Dutch South Africans", conflation of "Afrikaner" with "Boer" (the distinction between the two terms is clearly made in the body of the article which the IP contributors apparently failed to read, as well as the Cape Dutch article, backed up by ample reliable sources), an attempt to bypass the very explicit consensus reached some years ago to describe Afrikaners in the lead as a Southern African ethnic group (as opposed to a Germanic, "Dutch", or European ethnic group in South/Southern Africa; the latest revision attempts to skirt this by framing Afrikaners as a "West Germanic-speaking ethnic group in South Africa", in language suspiciously similar to that in the lead which led to the previous discussion and consensus), and the redundant addition of numerous progenitor nationalities to the opening paragraph of the lead which are already covered in detail in proceeding paragraphs.

Due to this recent wave of disruptive edits that have ignored past consensus and reads mostly like original research, I have reverted the lead to the last stable revision as it looked in February 2025, with one exception - the addition of the "Vryheidsvlag" to the infobox as the recognised flag of the Afrikaner people by UNPO. I question the need for the flag's presence in the infobox, but its recognition by UNPO is backed by seemingly reliable footnotes and I think its inclusion or exclusion merits a discussion on its own.

Thanks Katangais (talk) 02:15, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Major problematic changes have again appeared in the lead, namely the removal of all footnotes in the name of brevity. I have reverted the lead to the last revision with footnotes. I'm frankly quite puzzled by the footnotes' removal, as there are a number of bold claims in the lead which need references to avoid being consistently challenged and removed. --Katangais (talk) 07:23, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Origins

Afrikaners are not only dutsh descending.

They are scandinavians, dutch and french.

Why it's not wrote ? Thanks SwaxawS (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

It's very clearly stated here and here. --Katangais (talk) 03:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)