Requesting assistance with copyright. Is it acceptable to keep 2-3 sentences quote from external sources. (if not, you can edit and reword it) For a few years I have been at the site and collaborating, I have not understood what is a "safe" amount of quotes to shove on a page. Would appreciate a fresh cross-wiki perspective. Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]], [[Special:EmailUser/Gryllida|e-mail]]) 12:30, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
There are plenty of "sources" claiming that VW has "officially revealed" a "re-imagined legend" new [[Karmann Ghia]] model for 2026 model year. An image search will find many images of differing vehicles, some are obviously AI-generated, some fairly convincing that may be non-production prototypes. There are also plenty pf "first look" videos, also AI-generated. Even Perplexity.AI states: {{tq2|Volkswagen is officially reviving the Karmann Ghia nameplate for 2026, launching a brand-new, fully electric coupe that blends retro-inspired design with modern technology and performance. This new model pays homage to the original’s iconic curves and style while embracing an all-electric powertrain and advanced features.}} -- Yet I can find no credible evidence that such an actual car exists. Certainly there would be several physical examples already made for testing and evaluation, and "spy photos" of at least one obtained by a major automotive publisher. Can anybody provide a definitive source? -- [[Special:Contributions/136.56.165.118|136.56.165.118]] ([[User talk:136.56.165.118|talk]]) 20:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:IMO, quoting several sentences verbatim from someone's public speech is less problematic than an extended quotation from a written work. Such quotations often need to several sentences to ensure the core message can be understood in its proper context, and any paraphrasing of spoken text needs to be done with extra care. [[Press statement]]s and similar are even issued in the hope their content will be faithfully copied and their message thereby spread further. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 19:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:There's nothing in Volkswagon's press releases about this (not in the last 18 months, anyway). And searching cardesignnews.com reveals nothing about any modern Karmann anything. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 20:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::I managed to get Perplexity to change its mind: {{tq2|'''Conclusion''' Based on the lack of official confirmation and the reliance on potentially AI-generated or speculative sources, the information about a "new" VW Karmann Ghia model for 2026 should be regarded as a fabricated or at least unsubstantiated story. Until Volkswagen or a highly reputable automotive news outlet provides direct confirmation, it is safest to treat these claims with skepticism.}} --[[Special:Contributions/136.56.165.118|136.56.165.118]] ([[User talk:136.56.165.118|talk]]) 21:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I wouldnt bother using AI for things like this, you can probably verify (or debunk) the claims yourself faster by searching yourself. How can you trust what it says, if you can convince it to change its mind? [[User:NoSlacking|NoSlacking]] ([[User talk:NoSlacking|talk]]) 07:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: I generally only use Perplexity when I want to find source(s). It often has access to sources that are unavailable or difficult to find, such as ephemeral company communications. [[Special:Contributions/136.56.165.118|136.56.165.118]] ([[User talk:136.56.165.118|talk]]) 03:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
::The Wikipedia rules on this are at [[Wikipedia:Quotations]]. To quote that page:
= June 10 =
::{{xt|...quoting a brief excerpt from an original source can sometimes explain things better and less controversially than trying to explain them in one's own words.}}
::[[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 21:51, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
= May 19 =
== Technicality ==
== Explain on Print Encyclopedias ==
Hello. Let me give you a simple example: let's say Scotland wins the World Cup (soccer). What do the rules say? That the World Cup trophy cannot leave the country of the winning national team. So, if they wanted to, couldn't it be taken to another “Home Nation”? Precisely because, after all, the country is still the whole of the United Kingdom. Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/93.150.83.100|93.150.83.100]] ([[User talk:93.150.83.100|talk]]) 13:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Why are there only few print encyclopedias being published today? And why isn’t Wikipedia making official and real print copies anytime soon? What is the purpose if they are going all digital? [[Special:Contributions/107.115.29.138|107.115.29.138]] ([[User talk:107.115.29.138|talk]]) 19:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:From [[FIFA World Cup Trophy]]
:Print media is right up-to-date the moment the contributors stop contributing and the editors stop editing. The manuscript then goes to the printers, and after printing in each language desired, the bulky, resource-intensive printed media is physically shipped hundreds and thousands of miles to warehouses. There, the bulk packages of books are broken down into smaller batches for distribution to wholesalers. After the books arrive at the wholesalers' warehouses, they they are distributed (usually by truck) to retailers. Once the books are on the retail shelves, customers -- some of whom may have pre-ordered, but most of whom will only see the edition after it is on the shelves -- purchase the book. It is then taken home (or to a library; adding additional delay) for use. This process takes months, during which time there is no updating. If one is lucky, the edition being consulted is only a year or so out-of-date. As for Wikipedia, the charm and beauty of it is that the last time the contributors stopped contributing and the editors stopped editing -- about five seconds ago -- is possibly the point at which it begins to go out-of-date. That process, however, stops when the next contributor / editor makes a change. [[User:DOR (HK)|DOR (ex-HK)]] ([[User talk:DOR (HK)|talk]]) 22:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::"The trophy is kept at the FIFA World Football Museum in Zürich, Switzerland and leaves there only on select occasions. World Cup winners receive a gold-plated bronze replica, which they possess until the next World Cup final and in perpetuity if they have won it three times."
::More information about this print encyclopedia? [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9|2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9]] ([[User talk:2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9|talk]]) 05:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Reading [[Print Wikipedia|this]] thoroughly may help explain why Wikipedia isn't printed. More [[Wikipedia:Size of Wikipedia|info on size]] here. And [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|some ancient history]] relating to producing a version that could be printed. Btw, there was once a facility for producing [[Wikipedia:Books|books of Wikipedia articles]] that could be printed. That can still be done manually, with printing through specialized third parties, I believe -- but I've never had any interest in trying it. -- [[User:Avocado|Avocado]] ([[User talk:Avocado|talk]]) 12:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
== Farret's Head, Scotland ==
:I presume the replica is held by the Football Association of the winning country, who might have some freedom in how they house and display it, perhaps even to the extent of lending it for temporary display outside the country, but they will surely take great care with its security. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.6.81.243|94.6.81.243]] ([[User talk:94.6.81.243|talk]]) 18:02, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
In a book on [[mental calculators]], I read that [[George Parker Bidder]] as a young boy was asked by [[Queen Charlotte]]: "How many days would a Snail be creeping, at the rate of 8 feet per day, from the [[Land's End]], in Cornwall, to Ferret's Head, in Scotland, the distance by admeasurement being 838 miles?" (He immediately gave the correct answer of 553,080).
: If the World Cup rules consider Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland to be separate countries, all in competition with each other, then they couldn't also permit the United Kingdom to be a country, because that would permit the whole to be in competition with each of its parts, an absurdity. Likewise, if the UK is a unified country for WC purposes, then none of the home countries could compete as separate entities. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 20:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Perhaps we can worry about this when it happens? :-) [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 14:32, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
I tried looking up "Ferret's Head", but I couldn't find any such named location in Scotland. I would assume it is another name for [[John o' Groats]] or perhaps [[Duncansby Head]], and indeed the shortest route by car from [[Land's End to John o' Groats]] is 838 miles. Is anyone aware of such a location in Scotland named Ferret's Head? [[User:Dreykop|Dreykop]] ([[User talk:Dreykop|talk]]) 19:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
* Even if Scotland did win the World Cup, the Scottish FA would be very unwilling to let it leave Scotland. Scotland and the other Home Nations FAs fight very hard to maintain their independence, and do not do anything that might jeopardise it by suggesting that they belong to the same football jurisdiction as England. For instance, the [[Great Britain Olympic football team]] has only played once since 1972 - at the 2012 London games as a special one-off (the women's team also played in 2020). Scotland otherwise blocks any moves to create a Team GB football side, in the belief it would weaken their argument for independence and lead to them being forcibly merged with England. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 10:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:After some further digging on the topic, I found that [https://web.archive.org/web/20220125012411/https://lionlocomotive.org.uk/lionsheart/LH10.pdf#page=4 some sources] actually spell it as "Farret's Head", but I still can't find any such place. [[User:Dreykop|Dreykop]] ([[User talk:Dreykop|talk]]) 19:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
= June 12 =
::Possibly an egregious misreading of [[Dunnet Head]], or a mishearing / alternative spelling of [[Faraid Head]], or a confusion with Farr Point (no article)?
::[Edited to add] I favour Faraid Head myself. Depending on the source of the anecdote, it's possible that someone (perhaps unfamiliar with this remote Scottish location) misunderstood Queen Charlotte's strong German accent. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.170.37|94.1.170.37]] ([[User talk:94.1.170.37|talk]]) 23:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, Faraid Head sounds best, though seems to me a rather unremarkable location to be used in such a question. Makes one wonder what's so interesting about it that Queen Charlotte would know that the distance to it is 838 miles. Also, just curious, how did you know all these places? [[User:Dreykop|Dreykop]] ([[User talk:Dreykop|talk]]) 04:56, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Being an elderly Brit (who lived in Scotland for a while), I have general familiarity with the UK's geography, and I have various atlases and maps to hand. I just looked along the North Scottish coast for points and headlands with possibly relevant names. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.170.37|94.1.170.37]] ([[User talk:94.1.170.37|talk]]) 13:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Presumably, some published list of trivia that Charlotte had at her disposal contained an item like, "the longest distance between any two points on the island of Great Britain is between A and B, having been admeasured to be X miles". (Google Maps gives a walking distance of 804 miles.<sup>[https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sennen,+United+Kingdom/58.603333,-4.775833/@54.3757284,-8.5348052,5z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x486ab84463e35c33:0x37e8d8c886a5ad5c!2m2!1d-5.6927695!2d50.0744458!1m0!3e2?hl=en]</sup>) ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 07:19, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::For instance, in [https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_a-new-and-accurate-descr_paterson-daniel_1771/page/n105/mode/1up?q=%22838+miles%22 A new and accurate description of all the direct and principal cross roads in Great Britain (Paterson, 1771)] is written {{tq|From the Land's End in Cornwall to Farout Head, the neareſt way, (viz. by Briſtol, Carliſle, Edinburgh and Inverneſs,) is 838 miles.}} This information is repeated six years later in [https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_owens-book-of-roads-or_owen-w-william_1777/mode/2up?q=%22838+miles%22 Owen's book of roads], which looks suspiciously like Paterson's book of roads, but in pocket format. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 19:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::::I just found that there actually is something remarkable about Faraid Head: The line from [[Mull of Galloway]], the southernmost point of Scotland, and Faraid Head runs almost perfectly north to south (with a [[heading (navigation)|heading]] of only around 0.49 degrees), which makes it the longest line due north and south one could draw on a map of Scotland, at least according to [https://books.google.com/books?id=0aIxAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA11 this source]. [[User:Dreykop|Dreykop]] ([[User talk:Dreykop|talk]]) 06:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Looking at some older maps of Scotland from the [[National Library of Scotland]]'s website ([https://maps.nls.uk/countries/scotland/ listed here]), Faraid Head has also been labelled as [https://maps.nls.uk/view/216441725 "Farout Hd."] or [https://maps.nls.uk/view/142842111 "Farrid Hd."], or [https://maps.nls.uk/view/216441308 "Fair Aird"], or possibly [https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000470 "Mills Farritt"]. This makes the ID more convincing. [[User:Dreykop|Dreykop]] ([[User talk:Dreykop|talk]]) 18:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:It looks like the speed of 8 feet per day was chosen to make the calculation easier and the distance of 838 miles (with the repeating digit 8) and the number of feet per furlong (with the repeating digit 6) also helps:
:There are only two multiplications, then some shift operations and addition of six numbers, each of which have only two non-zero digits. Although still impressive, not as impressive as it appears on first sight. Now I wonder, was this coincidence, was the queen a hobby mathematician who knew the tricks or is the story apocryphal? 8 feet per day is slow for a snail; most can cover that distance in less than half an hour. The number 838 could also be tuned. I doubt the distance was know to single mile accuracy and is was probably calculated by summing the lengths of many segments, with some intermediate rounding. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 09:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Charlotte "assembl[ed] a significant library containing volumes on all kinds of intellectual pursuits, she collected natural history specimens and scientific instruments, and employed, funded or corresponded with both male and female scientists, often by means of intermediaries". See {{cite journal|last=Hansen|first=Mascha|date=6 July 2022|title=Queen Charlotte's scientific collections and natural history networks|journal=Notes and Records|publisher=The Royal Society|volume=77|issue=2|pages=323–336|doi=10.1098/rsnr.2021.0070|url=https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsnr.2021.0070}}. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 09:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::I do not think one would intentionally make the calculation easier when examining the abilities of a renowned calculating prodigy. I would think she'd ask harder questions to see the extent of his calculating prowess. [[User:Dreykop|Dreykop]] ([[User talk:Dreykop|talk]]) 18:45, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Maybe because she needed to calculate the answer before asking the question, so that she would know if he got it right or not. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 13:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
::::It's like the traditional "Your train leaves Euston at 08.24 and runs north at an average speed of 63 mph. Another train leaves Edinburgh at 10.01 and runs south at 73 mph. Where do they pass each other?" question. You dress up arithmetic in a "realish world" problem to see if your <s>victim</s> examinee can extract the relevant information. Euston, Edinburgh, Land's End, and Ferret Head are all irrelevant. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 21:02, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I was going to suggest this is a trick question, because Edinburgh is on the East Coast Main Line (London Terminus King's Cross), while Euston serves the West Coast Main Line to Glasgow, so the trains ''don't'' pass each other. However, while this was once true, I find on checking that there are now direct services from Euston to Edinburgh. {The poster formerly knowna s 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/90.193.154.147|90.193.154.147]] ([[User talk:90.193.154.147|talk]]) 13:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
== selling car with above-water loan ==
== Famous NON-murderers ==
Car is worth about $15K, outstanding loan is about $7K, owner is too cash-poor (and in other debt) to simply pay off the loan to get the title and sell the car. Is there a straightforward way to deal with that through the loan servicer? Find buyer and get some kind of document where the buyer pays the loan servicer and the seller? I have to think this is a standard type of transaction. I'm not the seller but just discussed it with her and am puzzled by the situation. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:8F01:9261:FCD:4BB9|2601:644:8581:75B0:8F01:9261:FCD:4BB9]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:8F01:9261:FCD:4BB9|talk]]) 22:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
What are some famous cases in which a person was wrongly believed by others '''and''' by himself/herself to have killed someone (whether accidentally or otherwise), but was later exonerated? The only such person I know about is [[Salieri]] (who had gone so far as to have actually confessed on his deathbed to having poisoned [[Mozart]], even though he really didn't) -- what other similar cases were there? [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:1881:7267:DD7D:636D|2601:646:8082:BA0:1881:7267:DD7D:636D]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:1881:7267:DD7D:636D|talk]]) 22:28, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
:Sell the car for the best price, then pay off the remainder of the debt. [[User:DOR (HK)|DOR (ex-HK)]] ([[User talk:DOR (HK)|talk]]) 22:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::You can't sell the car without the title (official document saying you own the car), which is held by the loan servicer til the loan is paid off. This has to be a very common situation with a standard way to do the necessary juggling, something like escrow for a house sale. That's what I'm asking about. [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:8F01:9261:FCD:4BB9|2601:644:8581:75B0:8F01:9261:FCD:4BB9]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:8F01:9261:FCD:4BB9|talk]]) 00:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Essential information for respondents: OP is based in the US (California). ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 06:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Here is a webpage on dealing with this issue: [https://www.lendingtree.com/auto/how-to-sell-a-car-when-you-still-have-a-loan/]. Some companies will buy a car with an outstanding loan; e.g. [https://www.carvana.com/sell-my-car], [https://www.autonation.com/sell-my-car]. For selling to a private party, perhaps some of the answers given [https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarsales/comments/r9scjr/how_do_i_sell_a_car_to_a_private_party_buyer_if_i/ here] are also helpful. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 06:56, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks everyone. The Reddit thread that Lambiam link helps a bit. [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|talk]]) 02:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{tq|People in attendance during Salieri's final hours denied any death-bed confession. Rather, Salieri summoned a former pupil of his, Ignaz Moscheles (1794–1870), for an emphatic death-bed denial, "I did not poison Mozart."}}<sup>[https://books.google.com/books?id=tYiDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA53&dq=%22People+in+attendance+during+Salieri's+final+hours+denied+any+death+-+bed+confession.+Rather,+Salieri+summoned+a+former+pupil+of+his,+Ignaz+Moscheles+(+1794-1870+)+,+for+an+emphatic+death-bed+denial+,+I+did+not+poison+Mozart.%22&hl=en]</sup> ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 10:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:Supposed confessions to Mozart's murder by Salieri are, as far as I know, ''only'' found in fictionalised works that exaggerate the supposed rivalry between the two for dramatic purposes. Can you suggest any ''well-founded'' source for such a confession?
:(Hopefully, this issue will not distract others from answering your primary query.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.6.40.15|94.6.40.15]] ([[User talk:94.6.40.15|talk]]) 10:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
= May 20 =
:[[Sam Sheppard]] comes to mind. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 16:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::I see nothing in the article indicating that Sheppard thought at any time that he himself (as per the OP's question) was guilty of the murder. Am I missing something? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.137.14|94.1.137.14]] ([[User talk:94.1.137.14|talk]]) 17:27, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I see. And I also see that the OP's premise about Salieri is apparently incorrect. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::You are 100% correct about Sheppard -- he '''did not''' at any point believe himself guilty of murdering his wife, and he insisted that he couldn't have (which indeed he couldn't), so he doesn't fit the second criteria (that the person himself/herself come to believe he/she had killed someone despite not actually having done so) -- although later he actually '''did''' accidentally kill two people! As for Salieri, my source is from ''Nature's Building Blocks'' by John Emsley, where it says on p. 31: "[Mozart] believed he was being poisoned and '''although his rival, Antonio Salieri, confessed to his murder many years later,''' [emphasis mine] when he did so he was suffering from senile dementia and the claim is not taken seriously." [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:D5E3:9787:7C90:66A0|2601:646:8082:BA0:D5E3:9787:7C90:66A0]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:D5E3:9787:7C90:66A0|talk]]) 03:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::What's our policy about AI-generated stuff on ref desk? [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 03:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::What does AI have to do with any of this? [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:856E:45E5:7654:D389|2601:646:8082:BA0:856E:45E5:7654:D389]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:856E:45E5:7654:D389|talk]]) 22:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
== Shopping malls opened in recent years ==
: [[:Category:People wrongfully convicted of murder]] may help here. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 20:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::A puckish idea could be a category for "People wrongfully ''acquitted''." ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:19, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hopefully way way more than the number wrongfully convicted. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 00:44, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For which see [[Blackstone's ratio]]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 23:57, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::This is getting off-topic here (we started with a discussion about specific examples of people who were not only said to have killed someone but had [[Spinning Man|'''actually believed themselves''' to have done so]], and now we're getting into prescriptive discussions about what '''should''' our standard for determining guilt or innocence be), but regarding this latest article you linked, I have to point out a '''fundamental''' flaw in Blackstone's reasoning which the article doesn't mention: his reasoning ignores the fact that [[felons]] will almost certainly re-offend if they remain unpunished, so with regard to murderers in particular (and even more so with regard to [[Jihad|terrorists]]), to let one guilty one go free '''is''' to sentence multiple innocent people to death by murder! [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6|2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6|talk]]) 00:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:There must be any number of people forced or manipulated into [[false confession]]s and [[forced confession]]s, and it's likely some at least of these will have become convinced of their "guilt". [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 23:56, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::According to [[The Innocence Project]], 75% of wrongly imprisoned people are because of eyewitness misidentification, 25% due to false confessions, 40-50% due to faulty forensic science. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 03:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Did [[Vladimir Churov]] come up with these numbers? Because they add up to 140-150%, just like his figure of 146% turnout in one of Russia's elections! [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6|2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6|talk]]) 00:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Who said the numbers were exclusive of each other? [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 00:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
: [[Sture Bergwall]] appears to be a match. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.77.112.120|90.77.112.120]] ([[User talk:90.77.112.120#top|talk]]) 20:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Thanks! So, there '''have''' been cases like this, even apart from the dubious case of Salieri (who falsely confessed according to some sources, and didn't according to others)! [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:FC81:DDAD:E79:90B6|2601:646:8082:BA0:FC81:DDAD:E79:90B6]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:FC81:DDAD:E79:90B6|talk]]) 02:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Also [[Henry Lee Lucas]] (who '''did''' kill his mother and 2 or 3 other people, but also confessed to hundreds of murders he '''didn't''' do)! [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8082:BA0:C04E:4B8B:E4E0:16CF|2601:646:8082:BA0:C04E:4B8B:E4E0:16CF]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8082:BA0:C04E:4B8B:E4E0:16CF|talk]]) 07:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
If you look at the categories of years shopping malls established, why are there very few malls opened and established in United States as of 2010s and 2020s, compared to Asia, where it opened in large numbers? Why is this a case? And why do malls in USA due so quickly while the other malls outside United States are much better thriving? Please use a mindset again please. [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9|2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9]] ([[User talk:2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9|talk]]) 05:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
= June 13 =
:What's the statistical basis for your premise? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 05:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::The number of shopping malls in United States, compared to Asia. Also the malls are commonly seen opened in Asia and Europe other than United States. See it here: [[:Category:Shopping malls established in the 2020s|as of 2020s]] [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9|2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9]] ([[User talk:2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9|talk]]) 07:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::No new malls have opened in England for at least ten years, and those we have are struggling to stay afloat. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 08:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The categories of shopping centres/malls by year only lists shopping centres that have an article and have been categorised by year, which means the the authors of the article know the opening year and took the trouble of adding the right category. That makes the list far from complete. The shopping centre I grew up with, on the outskirts of a provincial town in Western Europe, has no article. Only if you know the biases in the list, you can use it for any statistics. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 09:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The USA pioneered [[Shopping mall|shopping malls]], so will have begun to approach its 'saturation level' (where enough are present and suitable sites have mostly been used) earlier than other countries. Further 'mall demand' will largely be driven only by the country's population (and prosperity) increase, but latterly this will have been countered by the steep rise in [[E-commerce#Impacts|online purchases]] for home delivery, [[Retail apocalypse|reducing the need]] for '[[Brick and mortar|bricks and mortar]]' shopping facilities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.170.37|94.1.170.37]] ([[User talk:94.1.170.37|talk]]) 13:45, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:Using North Kansas City as an anecdote: [[Metro North Mall]] was a very popular shopping mall. The owner wanted to increase profits. So, the owner kept increasing rent and fees on the businesses until they were ready to leave the mall. While that took place, the owners purchased land a few miles away and began construction on an outdoor mall called [[Zona Rosa (Kansas City, Missouri)|Zona Rosa]]. In other words, Metro Norh is a mall where shoppers are indoors the whole time and Zona Rosa is a mall where shoppers go outside to go from store to store. The owners realized that the rent and fees for a store with external walls and doors all around is significantly higher than the rent and fees for a small parcel inside an indoor mall. Most of the clients in the indoor mall quickly moved to the outdoor mall, leaving the indoor mall abandoned. Now, the original indoor mall has been demolished. The point of this anecdote is that it isn't that the public prefers to walk around outside in Kansas City's blistering summer heat and brutal winter freezes when shopping. It is that the mall owner wants more money and gets more money with an outdoor mall. So, it is expected that there will be less indoor malls for new construction while outdoor malls (not included in the mall counts) are increasing. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 14:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Maybe the need for shopping malls has already been fulfilled in the US, or aybe online shopping is having an effect? [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 13:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== Costly articles by some business, finance organisations ==
:::::<small>Did you bother to read my reply (and links) above, posted nearly 24 hours before yours? :-) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.170.37|94.1.170.37]] ([[User talk:94.1.170.37|talk]]) 19:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)</small>
::::It isn't just quantity as well. Consider the [[Jumbo shopping centre]] in Vantaa, Finland. 86,100 square meters with 119 shops. Sticking to the Nordic area, consider the Nerstranda mall in Tromso, Norway. 12,000 square meters with 30 shops. Both count as malls, but they are not equal. It will get very complicated very quickly to accurately identify how much mall space and how many stores are opening and closing rather than rounding everythign up to a unit of one mall. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 18:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Many say it is difficult to predict the stock market. While some YouTubers claim that there are costly paid articles that can only be accessed by wealthy individuals, and they know when the market will crash and when it will rise. Is this true? [[User:Fruit Orchard|Fruit Orchard]] ([[User talk:Fruit Orchard|talk]]) 07:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:Malls are an endangered species. The numbers of their preferred prey, the brick-and-mortar shopper (''Consumerus pedestriani''), are declining (curse you Amazon). The mighty herds of yore are no more. According to Capital One Shopping's [https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/mall-closure-statistics/ Mall Closure Statistics], projections indicate the US's estimated 1200 malls (2025) may be down to 900 by 2028, "the number of malls declined 16.7% per year from 2017 to 2022" and that "up to 87% of large shopping malls may close over 10 years". [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 20:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
:I see no reason to think that they possess special knowledge not available to the public. If they do and act on it, they will be guilty of the felony of [[insider trading]]. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 10:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[List of largest shopping malls in the United States]] says the 2nd largest is [[American Dream Meadowlands]] which opened 2019 (the same Meadowlands the New York NFL teams play in). [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 16:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::I know of Meadowlands as a racetrack. I thought it might be a [[Triple Crown]] venue, and indeed it is, but [[Belmont Park|not the one I was thinking of]]. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:F338:A200:D8ED:5DF:9E42:F|2A02:C7C:F338:A200:D8ED:5DF:9E42:F]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:F338:A200:D8ED:5DF:9E42:F|talk]]) 11:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
= May 21 =
:Not unless they've invented a time machine. Besides, why would they need to charge for articles if they can just cash in themselves on the stock market? Telling others only makes it harder to make money with their alleged "knowledge". It's like a horse race. If I knew the winner in advance and told others, they'd bet on the horse themselves, thereby lowering the odds/my winnings. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 11:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::It may also be a [[pump and dump]] thing. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 06:45, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
== How come there is no Wikipedia article on the Auckland metropolitan area in New Zealand? ==
= June 14 =
How come there is no Wikipedia article on the Auckland metropolitan area in New Zealand? [[Special:Contributions/2001:569:5022:4400:FDB9:FFA9:1F62:BD0|2001:569:5022:4400:FDB9:FFA9:1F62:BD0]] ([[User talk:2001:569:5022:4400:FDB9:FFA9:1F62:BD0|talk]]) 04:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== Does Wikipedia have a reference desk for agriculture and the trades? ==
: Nobody has written it yet. Our 8-odd million articles cover a lot of ground, but there'll always be more stuff that needs being written about. In most of those cases, there'll be someone who says "How come this wasn't written X years ago?". Things happen when they happen, surprisingly enough. This is all done by unpaid volunteers, remember. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 04:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
I want to understand the distinction between winter and spring wheat beyond the literal differences in uses, yields, and life cycle. From Henry Christman's ''Tin Horns and Calico:''
:[[Auckland]] is about the urban area, and also includes some data for the Auckland Functional urban area, which is larger and which it calls Metro. [[Auckland Region]] is about a much larger area but only a modest additional population. [[Auckland CBD]] covers the commercial centre of the city. [[Auckland City]] covers the local body area prior to 2010. [[Auckland isthmus]] covers the same area as Auckland City excluding Hauraki Gulf islands. How does your idea of the Auckland metropolitan area differ from all of these?-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] ([[User talk:Gadfium|talk]]) 05:47, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
= May 22 =
''The tenants [in early nineteenth-century New York] had economic as well as political complaints: in the last ten or fifteen years, their exhausted soil had been unable to grow winter wheat. ''Spring wheat,'' the only kind they could grow on their soil, ''was rejected.'' In many instances, they were frustrated in their honest efforts to pay and were compelled to pay the cash equivalent of the very highest market price.''
== Website for automatically generating Wikitext citations ==
The Wikipedia article as written does not give practical or historical context to this passage, and we don't feel the weight of what Christman has clearly tried to tell us. [[User:Shushimnotrealstooge|Shushimnotrealstooge]] ([[User talk:Shushimnotrealstooge|talk]]) 02:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
I used to use the website https://citer.toolforge.org/citer.fcgi? for generating citations when writing Wikipedia articles. However, it appears that that website is now unavailable. It was a particularly good one. Does anyone know of any similar site that automatically generates Wikipedia text citations? [[User:Cerebrality|Cerebrality]] ([[User talk:Cerebrality|talk]]) 01:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:The question which kinds of wheat will sell on the market is very complicated and cannot be reduced to a general difference between winter and spring wheat. This depends also on the use the wheat will be put to and the demand for that use, the climate it is grown in, the soil and water quality, and the variety of wheat. For example, "{{tq|... spring wheat grown in Estonian climate has better baking quality than winter wheat}}".<sup>[https://books.google.com/books?id=I3REEQAAQBAJ&pg=PA177&hl=en]</sup> Also, although perhaps not relevant to the situation of these nineteenth-century New Yorkers, the wheat market is not immune to the [[pork cycle]]. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 06:40, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:That URL still works for me... [[User:Rojomoke|Rojomoke]] ([[User talk:Rojomoke|talk]]) 04:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::Its back online for me now, too. Thank you. [[User:Cerebrality|Cerebrality]] ([[User talk:Cerebrality|talk]]) 07:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== Advanced neurosurgical techniques ==
:The OP may be interested in [[Tenant farmer]]. [[User:DOR (HK)|DOR (ex-HK)]] ([[User talk:DOR (HK)|talk]]) 17:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
As any fan of cartoons or screwball comedies can tell you, the leading cause of amnesia is a clonk on the head and the best method ''curing it'' is a second clonk. What medical pioneer developed this technique? I'm sure it was old when Mr Howell tried it on the Skipper in [[Gilligan's_Island_season_1#Episodes|1965]] with a coconut. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 01:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== Which Chinese board game is this? ==
: I would guess that information is lost to time. [[Trepanning]] was done 10,000 years ago and that's a bit more advanced than a clonk on the head with a coconut. [[Special:Contributions/196.50.199.218|196.50.199.218]] ([[User talk:196.50.199.218|talk]]) 04:52, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:: <small>Dropped, no doubt, by an overladen African swallow on its way to England. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 05:11, 22 May 2025 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>How do you know these things? Are you a king?--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)</small>
::::<small><small>I can't resist summarizing this TV commercial I once saw:
:::::
:::::Setting: a tropical beach resort.
:::::#A beautiful woman stands up, adjusts her bikini straps, smiles brightly, and says: "I can't believe this bikini still fits me."
:::::#Her husband, relaxing in a chair and reading a travel magazine, absentmindedly makes the mistake of agreeing: "Yeah, I can't believe it either."
:::::#She's dismayed: "''What'' did you say?!"
:::::#The husband squirms a bit, trying to think of how to recover.
:::::#Another group of people, nearby, are celebrating something. One of them opens a bottle of champagne. The cork shoots out and up into the top of a palm tree, where it knocks down a coconut{{mdash}} which falls directly on the bikini-wearing wife's head. The husband's jaw drops as he sees.
:::::#The wife blinks a few times, dazed, and then snaps out of it and remembers what she was doing. She adjusts her bikini straps, smiles brightly, and says: "I can't believe this bikini still fits me."
:::::#Now primed, the thankful husband replies: "You've... never looked better."
:::::#She says happily: "Thanks, honey!" and trots off toward the water.
:::::#He nods and smiles back, and relaxes contemplatively into the chair.
:::::#Slogan: "Anyone can get lucky."
:::::#Advertiser: a casino.
::::--[[Special:Contributions/142.112.140.207|142.112.140.207]] ([[User talk:142.112.140.207|talk]]) 18:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)</small></small>
:According to the ''[[Neurology (journal)|Neurology]]'' article [https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000002765 "The head trauma amnesia cure: The making of a medical myth"], "The double trauma amnesia plot device appeared in 19th century fiction and was fully formed by the 1880s." [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 05:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::The idea of percussive maintenance is surely much older than that. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::: And it extends way beyond bodies. I well remember the days when otherwise sensible, intelligent adults would adopt this technique when the picture on the TV screen started rolling or going haywire. They'd bash the sides of the box, and if it didn't work the first time, they'd bash it harder. Their thinking must have been that this was exactly how the delicate, intricate internal wiring was designed to be fixed. My dad was a civil engineer, and pretty down to earth in any other context. Go figure. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 22:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Well, unlike hitting someone on the head to cure amnesia, hitting an old CRT television sometimes would actually fix a problem. CRT TVs, especially tube-based ones, had a lot of components connected via spring-loaded contacts, which would tend to shift around due to the high amount of heat generated by such components. If a component was slightly mis-seated, percussion could reseat it. I've certainly seen it work numerous times, as have others old enough to remember such devices.[https://www.howtogeek.com/did-hitting-tvs-ever-actually-fix-them/] [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 23:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::Great reference - thank you. I can't access the actual article, but that's okay. So, it goes back to at least the 19th century. There's a whiff of [[sympathetic magic]] to it as well, so I suppose it could go back a lot further. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 02:32, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Maybe even earlier; the original sinner may have been [[Xavier Bichat]]. Quoting from the article:
::::{{tq|During the time Gall was in Vienna, French anatomist and physiologist Francois Xavier Bichat (1771–1802) was working in Paris (1794–1802), where he developed his own theories on dual hemispheric functioning without apparent knowledge of Gall. [...] In 1805, Bichat published a comprehensive book ''Recherches Physiologiques sur la Vie and sur la Mort'' (''Physiological Researches upon Life and Death'') in which he argued that the parts of the brain “resemble each other on every side” and “cannot be different in their mode of acting.” While both Bichat and Gall suggested that the 2 halves of the brain have double function, Bichat, unlike Gall, postulated that the cerebral hemispheres are symmetrical and must operate in synchrony.<br>{{quad}} With respect to brain damage, Bichat’s symmetrical functioning reasoning led directly to the endorsement of a second trauma cure. He seriously proposed the notion that a second blow could restore the wits of someone who had had a previous concussion. Bichat justified this idea by reasoning that hemispheres that are in balance with each other functioned better, while those out of balance cause perceptual and intellectual confusion.}}
:::(The year 1805 is a mistake; this is the year of the posthumous publication of the 3rd edition. The first edition was published in [[French Republican calendar|An VII]], that is, the year 1799 AD.)
:::This apparently got married with the idea, already popular in the 19th century, that memories never truly disappear, but, although being inaccessible for conscious recall, persist "somewhere" in the brain. ​‑‑[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 15:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Excellent find - thank you! When I asked the question, I was assuming the answer (if there was one) would be comic; how wonderful to have it involve a fellow whose name is [[List of the 72 names on the Eiffel Tower|on the Eiffel tower]]. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 17:26, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
:Isn't this whole thing a variation on the "hit it with a hammer" solution to fixing things that was so prevalent at the time? When old televisions went on the fritz in the 1970s, you were supposed to hit it with your hand to get it to work. This is also a common trope in lots of different films up to the present day. Recently, I think ''The Last of Us'' brought this idea back on the show. In lots of science fiction over the last 50 years, there's usually a small, funny scene where an engineer is trying to get something old or complex to work and when all else fails they smack it really hard in a targeted area and it comes to life. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yep. [[The Gambler (novel)|Black 13]] isn't always [[Death by coconut|that lucky]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I just remembered; my old mechanic used to temporarily fix failing fuel pumps by giving it one heavy strike with a hammer. Depending on how bad the problem was, the fix would work until you could get yourself a new fuel pump. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:04, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Yeah, after all, the brain is just like an [[Petrolhead|internal combustion engine]], really, isn't it. But [[head gasket|without the petrol]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
= May 24 =
[[File:Board game from picture by Fan Zimin.png|thumb|560px|Two cowboys playing a board game on a 13th century picture]]
Does anyone have an idea which board game the two Chinese cowboys are playing here? ◅ [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian Helm]] [[User_Talk:SebastianHelm|🗨]] 17:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
== Jim Henson's death ==
:[[Alquerque]]? Not Chinese, but neither was [[fangqi]] originally. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 19:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
His bio says he died from complications related to [[Group A streptococcal infection]] at the age of 53 in 1990. Wasn't it unusual to die from this in 1990? How common would it have been? It says he recently traveled from Los Angeles to North Carolina to New York over the space of two weeks while he came down with his initial symptoms. Could he have caught something while traveling? I remember reading that back in 1990, there was little oversight over the health quality of circulated air on board commercial air travel, and HEPA filters didn't become common until much later. It sounds like there was no particle filtration on planes when Henson flew. Could an airplane HEPA filter have saved Henson's life? Although it isn't mentioned in his Wikipedia bio, other sources suggest that Henson was a private tobacco smoker and this might have contributed to his poor health. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:44, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::[[User_talk:Card_Zero| ]] Thanks, it does look like it - as far as the quality of the picture permits. And thanks for the link to fangqi; that makes it plausible. ◅ [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian Helm]] [[User_Talk:SebastianHelm|🗨]] 21:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:It's potentially possible. But as I recall from that sad event, he knew he was sick but didn't want to "bother" anybody with it, and by the time he got around to looking into it, it was too late. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm probably wrong about fangqi. I assumed a distant connection to [[nine men's morris]], but perhaps it's from [[go (game)|go]]. Note however the alquerque "see also" section: it has variants that are played in Sri Lanka and Indonesia, on a board extended with one or more triangular sections, and the same board is used for "tiger hunt" type games in India, Indonesia and Siberia ... ah, and there's '''[[bagh-chal]]''' in Nepal on the unmodified alquerque board. That's a likely guess for the game pictured. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 12:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::It's a bit creepy to me, because I was deathly ill just around the same time (I think it was several months before that date) and the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. I think I had been spending too much time in Tijuana (it was a thing back then) and probably caught some unusual bug. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Xiangqi]]? Here is a 13th century image of the board.[[File:二龍出海势.png|thumb|A picture of xiangqi in the Southern Song dynasty]] <span class="nowrap">[[User:Verbarson|-- Verbarson ]] <sup>[[User talk:Verbarson|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Verbarson|edits]]</sub></span> 13:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:The article states that "Infection of GAS may spread through direct contact with mucus or sores on the skin," and "Close contacts of people affected by severe Group A streptococcal infections, defined as those having had prolonged household contact in the week before the onset of illness, may be at increased risk of infection." It doesn't commonly spread through the air, so HEPA filters are unlikely to make a difference. [[User:PiusImpavidus|PiusImpavidus]] ([[User talk:PiusImpavidus|talk]]) 10:57, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:Looks like the image source, "Goepper 1962", must be [[:de:Roger Goepper]] and ''Vom Wesen chinesischer Malerei'' (The essence of Chinese painting). The [https://archive.org/details/isbn_8485001133/page/n160/mode/1up?q=%22Fan+tzu-min%22 Gran enciclopedia del mundo] reproduces the painting as «La manada de búfalos» (pastry not acknowledged) and says it's in the [[Art Institute of Chicago]]. {{tq|Fan Zimin was a Taoist monk. He was hardly known as a painter}}, according to the [[Benezit dictionary of artists]], which gives the title of the scroll as "Oxen in pasture". [https://archive.org/details/indexofearlychin00cahi/page/84/mode/2up?q=%22fan+tzu-min%22 Another book] calls it "Seven oxen and two herdboys relaxing by a stream" and says it was stolen from the Art Institute of Chicago in 1969. An old Chinese text on collecting even older Chinese paintings says {{tq|Kuo Chung-shu [ca. 920-977], Shih K’o [10th century], Li Kueichen [active early 10th century] and Fan Tzu-min [12th century] were all unusual men. People often set out silk, brush, and ink palette, in expectation of their coming, and then would request a painting. When the work was nearly done, the painter would tear it to pieces. If anyone managed to obtain something by these painters, it was never more than a single or half scroll.}} This paper [https://www.jstor.org/stable/3249900 Ox-Herding Painting in the Sung Dynasty] quibbles with Fan Tzu-min's date and puts him in the 12th century. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 14:20, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::I'm seeing different information. It apparently spreads easily through airborne dispersion in airplanes if you are within 1-2 rows of the carrier. There's a bit more info here.[https://www.proquest.com/openview/64acbece3219634a7e541ca3aac08c56/] That's from 2015, and there's a lot of unknowns. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 11:33, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:: Beautiful research - thanks a lot! I added a permanent link to this contribution of yours to the image description. Now I feel we should have an article on this interesting person, but I don't even know how his name is written in Chinese. Thanks also for the link to bagh-chal; that game even has a herder's theme. ◅ [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian Helm]] [[User_Talk:SebastianHelm|🗨]] 02:03, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
= May 28 =
= June 16 =
== History of sugar confectionery ==
== Source of FBI Wanted Poster for Vance L. Boelter photos ==
[[File:FBI Wanted Poster for Vance L. Boelter.pdf|thumb|250px]]
Does anyone know where the first photo from the left in this PDF file are taken from? The second photo from the left are from Boelter's own website so it's fairly obvious that the photos weren't taken nor created by the FBI
I'm trying to track down info about "Tavernier's Drup". John Tavernier, the British father of [[Jules Tavernier]] was apparently successful with this product as a candy maker, although it isn't clear if he made it in Britain or France, as they lived in both countries. The product is described as "a lump of sugar dyed pink and flavored with banana essence, which proved popular and led to a series of other creative, colorful confections." This is interesting, because apparently banana flavoring in candy had never been done before up to that point, but it isn't clear if Tavernier's father was an innovator or an early adopter of the new flavor.[https://www.artandantiquesmag.com/jules-tavernier-works/] That's about the only info I can find. Artificial banana flavoring was said to have been introduced in the 1850s, which was around the time Tavernier was supposedly making his candy. Anyone know anything else? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
I tried to search the individual photos but every news site just lists the source as "FBI" which is likely just an reference to the wanted poster itself [[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|talk]]) 03:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:Not much yet, I thought an advert would turn up easily, but no. The following is from a [https://archive.org/details/annualofscientif0000davi/page/228/mode/1up?q=banana scientific yearbook for 1854]: {{tq|The various artificial extracts of fruit have been applied to the flavoring of an agreeable species of confectionary known as the “acidulated fruit drops.’ These have been denounced as poisonous by some persons, on the ground that [[fusel oil]] is known to produce deleterious effects; and as a natural consequence the confectionary referred to has been discarded. There is, however, no foundation for such statements or belief, and if the confectionary flavored with these extracts has in any case produced injurious effects, it is undoubtedly to be referred to an injudicious consumption of it, and not to any inherent deleterious property.}} [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 12:04, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:It looks like a regular [[mugshot]] to me. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 08:32, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::Other possibilities are the Department of Motor Vehicles, a passport photo, or a security guard licensing agency. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:35, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Any clue as to where one could possibly find the source? [[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|talk]]) 10:36, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::Now that he's been arrested, we might expect a new mugshot to emerge. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 08:51, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Unless the mugshot is by the federal government we cannot host it on Commons [[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|talk]]) 13:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:[https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/accused-minnesota-assassin-vance-boelter-is-tied-to-middle-east-and-africa-runs-security-company/ The NY Post] credits it to Minnesota Department of Public Safety, if that helps (it doesn't, does it). The image there is a [https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/06/minnesota-state-police-authorities-hold-106493917_84cc01.jpg?resize=1225,1536&quality=75&strip=all big version] at least. The blue background seems rare on mugshots, and you might wonder how he continued working in security if he was in trouble with the law in 2022, but driver's licenses often have that blue background. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 12:41, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::No, this is perfectly suitable. Thanks! [[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|talk]]) 13:43, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
::Google shews lots of antique tins, jars, boxes, and adverts for Bonbons John Tavernier, 1 Rue du Cloitre St Merri, Paris. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 12:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
= June 18 =
::"Drup" is perhaps a slip for "Drop", I've seen him described as "[https://www.zeldaetcharlie.fr/products/boites-en-metal-bonbons-john-tavernier-1930?srsltid=AfmBOoq-rslFS43Iddna6Gw9D67AmBii2oUncMUCzuZ8uCncNA2zjgI5 Cet anglais a importé en France les bonbons anglais appelés drops, en forme de quartiers de fruits, de coquillages colorés et parfumés aux essences de fruits]" Do we have an article on [[fruit drops]], or [[pear drops]], or [[acid drops]]? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 12:24, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
== Source of FBI Wanted Poster for [[Luis Macedo]] photos ==
:::[https://archive.org/details/lagrandeencyclop07dref/page/271/mode/1up?q=%22john+tavernier%22 Bonbons anglais.— C'est vers 1830 que ce bonbon a été importé en France par un Anglais nommé John Tavernier; plus tard, on a perfectionné les machines qui permettent d'obtenir économiquement ce produit.] [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 12:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
[[File:Luis Macedo (FBI).jpg|thumb|120px]]
:[http://nadiaberenstein.com/blog/2016/2/15/bananas In order to really understand where artificial banana flavor comes from,] {{tq|you have to start with artificial pear. Because amyl acetate — produced from fusel oil, a waste product of alcohol distilling, and one of the very first synthetic chemicals used as an artificial flavor -- initially came to prominence as a pear flavoring. Pear drops — barley sugar flavored with amyl acetate diluted in alcohol — were one of the new confections available at the 1851 Crystal Palace exhibition in London. The drops and the chemical used to flavor them drew the attention of [[August Hofmann]], the distinguished chemist who was one of the judges of the exhibition. In a letter to [[Justus Liebig]], his teacher, he noted the "remarkably fruity odor" of amyl acetate ...}} if you scroll up in my previous link, before "various artificial extracts of fruit", there is a section that ends "Hofmann's letter to Liebig". {{tq|pear oil is an alcoholic solution of acetate of oxide of amyle, and acetate of oxide of ethyle, prepared from potato fusel oil, (the hydrate of oxide of amyle.) }} [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 13:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
I understand that they photo are unlikely to have been taken by the FBI but i need to know by whom and where they were taken. I presume it was after an arrest or something--[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|talk]]) 00:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, everyone. Based on the above, it looks like the [[pear drop]] is a type of Tavernier drop. Also, it’s interesting to see [[The Crystal Palace]] come up again as the focal point for the [[Great Exhibition]]. No matter what topic I work on, I am inevitably drawn back to those two like a black hole. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:The [https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2016/05/luis-macedo-last-known-address-in-oak-lawn-illinois-added-to-fbis-10-most-wanted-list/ Arlington Cardinal] ''almost'' credits it to Chicago PD, [https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2017/08/luis-macedo-man-on-fbis-ten-most-wanted-list-lived-in-chicago-and-oak-lawn-arrested-in-mexico/ and a second time in a later story]. Unfortunately it's just "police photo" both times, with mentions of Chicago Police Department further down the story. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;"> Card Zero </span>]] [[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 01:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::There is a British company called [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgl08x1pvjo Tavener], but I don't think they are connected. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 20:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
== Is Corey Perry (NHL) the most cursed man in sports history? ==
::::That was the original spelling of his name before he changed it, I think. Might be a coincidence. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I'm wrong (and slightly blind) . The original spelling was "Taverner", which somehow morphed into "Tavernier". This information is also suspect because apparently Jules was the source for all of it, so nobody knows what was really true. But some of his obituaries (which were for the most part written by his friends) seemed to suggest that some of it was true. One other interesting thing I recently discovered was how much his friends left out of his obituary and their memoirs. That's where the real "fun" begins. Of course, this isn't the first time I've found some pretty shocking things once you go looking for it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
= June 1 =
He has lost in five (5) Stanley Cup Finals in the last six years. Anyone with such a streak of bad luck? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Matt714931|Matt714931]] ([[User talk:Matt714931#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matt714931|contribs]]) 19:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{yo|Matt714931}} I read about that. In [[American football]], the [[NFL]]'s [[Buffalo Bills]] lost four straight [[Super Bowl]]s in the early 1990s. There may be some players who were on the Bills team for all of them. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 20:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::You are correct. There were players who played all four years and lost all for Super Bowl games. Further, Gale Gilbert, Cornelius Bennett, and Glenn Parker went on to lost another (fifth) Super Bowl with other teams. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 11:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::Also, Whitey Ford lost the World Series eight times. [[Special:Contributions/68.187.174.155|68.187.174.155]] ([[User talk:68.187.174.155|talk]]) 12:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
== Identify this vehicle and camera gear ==
== Detail of the 1978 European Cup final, Liverpool Bruges ==
Photo is by Corwin Short: [https://uofllibraries.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/m-b-w_1.jpg] Date is late January or early February 1937, Louisville, Kentucky. Subject is [[Margaret Bourke-White]] who had just arrived in Kentucky after covering the FDR inauguration, so possibly same gear. ChatGPT says the camera is a [[Graflex]] Series D or Graflex Super D and the vehicle is a [[Pontiac]], but it's probably just making that up. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Bruges played the final in a white shirt with a purple stripe, presumably their away kit that year, while the blue shirt with a white stripe was probably their home kit. If they had won the Cup in '78, would the ribbons on the trophy have been the same colour as one of the two kits (in this case, the white away kit), or would the ribbons themselves have been black and blue, based on the club's historic colours? Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/93.147.231.16|93.147.231.16]] ([[User talk:93.147.231.16|talk]]) 21:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:The car looks like a number of models did in that time period, complete with rumble seat. You'd probably have to study the details to narrow it down. Google "1937 car with rumble seat" to get help narrow it down. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
There are plenty of "sources" claiming that VW has "officially revealed" a "re-imagined legend" new Karmann Ghia model for 2026 model year. An image search will find many images of differing vehicles, some are obviously AI-generated, some fairly convincing that may be non-production prototypes. There are also plenty pf "first look" videos, also AI-generated. Even Perplexity.AI states: Template:Tq2 -- Yet I can find no credible evidence that such an actual car exists. Certainly there would be several physical examples already made for testing and evaluation, and "spy photos" of at least one obtained by a major automotive publisher. Can anybody provide a definitive source? -- 136.56.165.118 (talk) 20:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
There's nothing in Volkswagon's press releases about this (not in the last 18 months, anyway). And searching cardesignnews.com reveals nothing about any modern Karmann anything. Card Zero (talk) 20:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
I wouldnt bother using AI for things like this, you can probably verify (or debunk) the claims yourself faster by searching yourself. How can you trust what it says, if you can convince it to change its mind? NoSlacking (talk) 07:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
I generally only use Perplexity when I want to find source(s). It often has access to sources that are unavailable or difficult to find, such as ephemeral company communications. 136.56.165.118 (talk) 03:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
June 10
Technicality
Hello. Let me give you a simple example: let's say Scotland wins the World Cup (soccer). What do the rules say? That the World Cup trophy cannot leave the country of the winning national team. So, if they wanted to, couldn't it be taken to another “Home Nation”? Precisely because, after all, the country is still the whole of the United Kingdom. Thank you very much. 93.150.83.100 (talk) 13:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
"The trophy is kept at the FIFA World Football Museum in Zürich, Switzerland and leaves there only on select occasions. World Cup winners receive a gold-plated bronze replica, which they possess until the next World Cup final and in perpetuity if they have won it three times."
I presume the replica is held by the Football Association of the winning country, who might have some freedom in how they house and display it, perhaps even to the extent of lending it for temporary display outside the country, but they will surely take great care with its security. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.81.243 (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
If the World Cup rules consider Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland to be separate countries, all in competition with each other, then they couldn't also permit the United Kingdom to be a country, because that would permit the whole to be in competition with each of its parts, an absurdity. Likewise, if the UK is a unified country for WC purposes, then none of the home countries could compete as separate entities. -- Jack of Oz[pleasantries] 20:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Perhaps we can worry about this when it happens? :-) Alansplodge (talk) 14:32, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Even if Scotland did win the World Cup, the Scottish FA would be very unwilling to let it leave Scotland. Scotland and the other Home Nations FAs fight very hard to maintain their independence, and do not do anything that might jeopardise it by suggesting that they belong to the same football jurisdiction as England. For instance, the Great Britain Olympic football team has only played once since 1972 - at the 2012 London games as a special one-off (the women's team also played in 2020). Scotland otherwise blocks any moves to create a Team GB football side, in the belief it would weaken their argument for independence and lead to them being forcibly merged with England. Smurrayinchester 10:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
June 12
Famous NON-murderers
What are some famous cases in which a person was wrongly believed by others and by himself/herself to have killed someone (whether accidentally or otherwise), but was later exonerated? The only such person I know about is Salieri (who had gone so far as to have actually confessed on his deathbed to having poisoned Mozart, even though he really didn't) -- what other similar cases were there? 2601:646:8082:BA0:1881:7267:DD7D:636D (talk) 22:28, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Supposed confessions to Mozart's murder by Salieri are, as far as I know, only found in fictionalised works that exaggerate the supposed rivalry between the two for dramatic purposes. Can you suggest any well-founded source for such a confession?
(Hopefully, this issue will not distract others from answering your primary query.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.40.15 (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
I see nothing in the article indicating that Sheppard thought at any time that he himself (as per the OP's question) was guilty of the murder. Am I missing something? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.137.14 (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
I see. And I also see that the OP's premise about Salieri is apparently incorrect. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
You are 100% correct about Sheppard -- he did not at any point believe himself guilty of murdering his wife, and he insisted that he couldn't have (which indeed he couldn't), so he doesn't fit the second criteria (that the person himself/herself come to believe he/she had killed someone despite not actually having done so) -- although later he actually did accidentally kill two people! As for Salieri, my source is from Nature's Building Blocks by John Emsley, where it says on p. 31: "[Mozart] believed he was being poisoned and although his rival, Antonio Salieri, confessed to his murder many years later, [emphasis mine] when he did so he was suffering from senile dementia and the claim is not taken seriously." 2601:646:8082:BA0:D5E3:9787:7C90:66A0 (talk) 03:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
What's our policy about AI-generated stuff on ref desk? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 03:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
This is getting off-topic here (we started with a discussion about specific examples of people who were not only said to have killed someone but had actually believed themselves to have done so, and now we're getting into prescriptive discussions about what should our standard for determining guilt or innocence be), but regarding this latest article you linked, I have to point out a fundamental flaw in Blackstone's reasoning which the article doesn't mention: his reasoning ignores the fact that felons will almost certainly re-offend if they remain unpunished, so with regard to murderers in particular (and even more so with regard to terrorists), to let one guilty one go free is to sentence multiple innocent people to death by murder! 2601:646:8082:BA0:F881:B433:1052:D8C6 (talk) 00:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
There must be any number of people forced or manipulated into false confessions and forced confessions, and it's likely some at least of these will have become convinced of their "guilt". DuncanHill (talk) 23:56, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
According to The Innocence Project, 75% of wrongly imprisoned people are because of eyewitness misidentification, 25% due to false confessions, 40-50% due to faulty forensic science. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 03:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! So, there have been cases like this, even apart from the dubious case of Salieri (who falsely confessed according to some sources, and didn't according to others)! 2601:646:8082:BA0:FC81:DDAD:E79:90B6 (talk) 02:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Costly articles by some business, finance organisations
Many say it is difficult to predict the stock market. While some YouTubers claim that there are costly paid articles that can only be accessed by wealthy individuals, and they know when the market will crash and when it will rise. Is this true? Fruit Orchard (talk) 07:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
I see no reason to think that they possess special knowledge not available to the public. If they do and act on it, they will be guilty of the felony of insider trading. ‑‑Lambiam 10:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
Not unless they've invented a time machine. Besides, why would they need to charge for articles if they can just cash in themselves on the stock market? Telling others only makes it harder to make money with their alleged "knowledge". It's like a horse race. If I knew the winner in advance and told others, they'd bet on the horse themselves, thereby lowering the odds/my winnings. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia have a reference desk for agriculture and the trades?
I want to understand the distinction between winter and spring wheat beyond the literal differences in uses, yields, and life cycle. From Henry Christman's Tin Horns and Calico:
The tenants [in early nineteenth-century New York] had economic as well as political complaints: in the last ten or fifteen years, their exhausted soil had been unable to grow winter wheat. Spring wheat, the only kind they could grow on their soil, was rejected. In many instances, they were frustrated in their honest efforts to pay and were compelled to pay the cash equivalent of the very highest market price.
The Wikipedia article as written does not give practical or historical context to this passage, and we don't feel the weight of what Christman has clearly tried to tell us. Shushimnotrealstooge (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
The question which kinds of wheat will sell on the market is very complicated and cannot be reduced to a general difference between winter and spring wheat. This depends also on the use the wheat will be put to and the demand for that use, the climate it is grown in, the soil and water quality, and the variety of wheat. For example, "Template:Tq".[2] Also, although perhaps not relevant to the situation of these nineteenth-century New Yorkers, the wheat market is not immune to the pork cycle. ‑‑Lambiam 06:40, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, it does look like it - as far as the quality of the picture permits. And thanks for the link to fangqi; that makes it plausible. ◅ Sebastian Helm🗨 21:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm probably wrong about fangqi. I assumed a distant connection to nine men's morris, but perhaps it's from go. Note however the alquerque "see also" section: it has variants that are played in Sri Lanka and Indonesia, on a board extended with one or more triangular sections, and the same board is used for "tiger hunt" type games in India, Indonesia and Siberia ... ah, and there's bagh-chal in Nepal on the unmodified alquerque board. That's a likely guess for the game pictured. Card Zero (talk) 12:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Looks like the image source, "Goepper 1962", must be de:Roger Goepper and Vom Wesen chinesischer Malerei (The essence of Chinese painting). The Gran enciclopedia del mundo reproduces the painting as «La manada de búfalos» (pastry not acknowledged) and says it's in the Art Institute of Chicago. Template:Tq, according to the Benezit dictionary of artists, which gives the title of the scroll as "Oxen in pasture". Another book calls it "Seven oxen and two herdboys relaxing by a stream" and says it was stolen from the Art Institute of Chicago in 1969. An old Chinese text on collecting even older Chinese paintings says Template:Tq This paper Ox-Herding Painting in the Sung Dynasty quibbles with Fan Tzu-min's date and puts him in the 12th century. Card Zero (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Beautiful research - thanks a lot! I added a permanent link to this contribution of yours to the image description. Now I feel we should have an article on this interesting person, but I don't even know how his name is written in Chinese. Thanks also for the link to bagh-chal; that game even has a herder's theme. ◅ Sebastian Helm🗨 02:03, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
June 16
Source of FBI Wanted Poster for Vance L. Boelter photos
Does anyone know where the first photo from the left in this PDF file are taken from? The second photo from the left are from Boelter's own website so it's fairly obvious that the photos weren't taken nor created by the FBI
I tried to search the individual photos but every news site just lists the source as "FBI" which is likely just an reference to the wanted poster itself Trade (talk) 03:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Other possibilities are the Department of Motor Vehicles, a passport photo, or a security guard licensing agency. Cullen328 (talk) 08:35, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Any clue as to where one could possibly find the source? Trade (talk) 10:36, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Unless the mugshot is by the federal government we cannot host it on Commons Trade (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
The NY Post credits it to Minnesota Department of Public Safety, if that helps (it doesn't, does it). The image there is a big version at least. The blue background seems rare on mugshots, and you might wonder how he continued working in security if he was in trouble with the law in 2022, but driver's licenses often have that blue background. Card Zero (talk) 12:41, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
No, this is perfectly suitable. Thanks! Trade (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
June 18
Source of FBI Wanted Poster for Luis Macedo photos
I understand that they photo are unlikely to have been taken by the FBI but i need to know by whom and where they were taken. I presume it was after an arrest or something--Trade (talk) 00:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Is Corey Perry (NHL) the most cursed man in sports history?
He has lost in five (5) Stanley Cup Finals in the last six years. Anyone with such a streak of bad luck? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt714931 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
You are correct. There were players who played all four years and lost all for Super Bowl games. Further, Gale Gilbert, Cornelius Bennett, and Glenn Parker went on to lost another (fifth) Super Bowl with other teams. 68.187.174.155 (talk) 11:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Also, Whitey Ford lost the World Series eight times. 68.187.174.155 (talk) 12:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Detail of the 1978 European Cup final, Liverpool Bruges
Bruges played the final in a white shirt with a purple stripe, presumably their away kit that year, while the blue shirt with a white stripe was probably their home kit. If they had won the Cup in '78, would the ribbons on the trophy have been the same colour as one of the two kits (in this case, the white away kit), or would the ribbons themselves have been black and blue, based on the club's historic colours? Thank you. 93.147.231.16 (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
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