imported>The PIPE: /* That instability problem on the Me 210 */

2009-08-09T01:19:40Z

That instability problem on the Me 210

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I am indebted to Rod for many of the pictures I have used in these articles. http://www.luftwaffepics.com/

==That instability problem on the Me 210==

Dear Mr. Maury:

The PIPE Here again...About the [[Messerschmitt Me 210]]'s double angle-wing...IF you've checked the Me 210 article here at Wikipedia a bit MORE recently...at [File:Me 210 w trzech rzutach.jpg] , that "cranked" ''double angle'' leading edge that COULD have led to many serious handling problems on the 210's initial design is CERTAINLY there for all to see...just thought I'd inform you about it...and if you check the article on the "most produced warplane of all time", at [[Ilyushin Il-2#Operational history]]...

"In 1943, the IL-2 Type 3 or Il-2m3 came out '''with redesigned wings that were swept back 15 degrees on the outer panels, and nearly straight trailing edges''', resulting in a wing planform somewhat like the AT-6 trainer."

And I've even heard from one Bob Underwood, a famous radio control scale aircraft enthusiast and former [[Academy of Model Aeronautics]] officer, who's flown an Il-2 RC scale model for as long as I've known him, had to change his model for scale accuracy based on that above statement. The Il-2 made a major change to its outer wing panels that gave it a double-angle leading edge, since the added rear gunner sitting in tandem behind the pilot (formerly the only crew on the initial design) had shifted the two-seat Il-2m3's center of gravity rearwards, so some wing area "had to go along for the ride" in a slightly rearwards direction to keep everything flying safely.

With the two-seat Il-2, the change TO a double-angle wing ''was'' needed...but the Me 210 had this already (with the rearwards-located outer wing panels' area), and it seemed to have helped to throw the plane "out of kilter", aerodynamically speaking, which apparently bringing the outer wing area "forwards", as with the [[Messerschmitt Me 410|Me 410 ''Hornisse'']], seemed to have some positive effect on solving.

The image of Wikipedia's Me 210 three-view actually SHOWING the double-angle leading edge on the drawing prompted me to add this commentary!

Yours Sincerely,
[[User:The PIPE|The PIPE]] ([[User talk:The PIPE|talk]]) 01:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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