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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Relationship to Vopěnka&amp;#039;s Principle&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;In [[mathematics]], &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;subtle cardinals&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;ethereal cardinals&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; are closely related kinds of [[large cardinal]] number.&lt;br /&gt;
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A cardinal &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is called subtle if for every closed and unbounded &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;C\subset\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and for every sequence &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;(A_\delta)_{\delta&amp;lt;\kappa}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of length &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; such that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;A_\delta\subset\delta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; for all &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\delta&amp;lt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; (where &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;A_\delta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is the &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\delta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;th element), there exist &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\alpha,\beta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, belonging to &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;C&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, with &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\alpha&amp;lt;\beta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, such that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;A_\alpha=A_\beta\cap\alpha&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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A cardinal &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is called ethereal if for every closed and unbounded &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;C\subset\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and for every sequence &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;(A_\delta)_{\delta&amp;lt;\kappa}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of length &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; such that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;A_\delta\subset\delta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;A_\delta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; has the same cardinality as &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\delta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; for arbitrary &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\delta&amp;lt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, there exist &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\alpha,\beta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, belonging to &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;C&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, with &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\alpha&amp;lt;\beta&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, such that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\textrm{card}(\alpha)=\mathrm{card}(A_\beta\cup A_\alpha)&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Ketonen74&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Citation | last1=Ketonen | first1=Jussi | title=Some combinatorial principles |mr=0332481 | year=1974 | journal=[[Transactions of the American Mathematical Society]] | issn=0002-9947 | volume=188 | pages=387–394 | doi=10.2307/1996785 | publisher=Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 188 | jstor=1996785| doi-access=free| url=https://www.ams.org/journals/tran/1974-188-00/S0002-9947-1974-0332481-5/S0002-9947-1974-0332481-5.pdf }}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Subtle cardinals were introduced by {{harvtxt|Jensen|Kunen|1969}}. Ethereal cardinals were introduced by {{harvtxt|Ketonen|1974}}. Any subtle cardinal is ethereal,&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Ketonen74&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;p. 388&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; and any strongly inaccessible ethereal cardinal is subtle.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Ketonen74&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;p. 391&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Characterizations==&lt;br /&gt;
Some equivalent properties to subtlety are known.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Relationship to Vopěnka&amp;#039;s Principle===&lt;br /&gt;
Subtle cardinals are equivalent to a weak form of [[Vopenka&amp;#039;s principle|Vopěnka cardinals]]. Namely, an [[inaccessible cardinal]] &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is subtle if and only if in &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;V_{\kappa+1}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, any logic has stationarily many weak compactness cardinals.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;W. Boney, S. Dimopoulos, V. Gitman, M. Magidor &amp;quot;[https://web.archive.org/web/20231220180708/https://victoriagitman.github.io/files/LargeCardinalLogics.pdf Model Theoretic Characterizations of Large Cardinals Revisited]&amp;quot; (2023).&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Vopenka&amp;#039;s principle itself may be stated as the existence of a strong compactness cardinal for each logic.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chains in transitive sets===&lt;br /&gt;
There is a subtle cardinal &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\leq\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; if and only if every transitive set &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of cardinality &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\kappa&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; contains &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;x&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;y&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; such that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;x&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is a proper subset of &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;y&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;x\neq\varnothing&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;x\neq\{\varnothing\}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friedman02&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Harvey Friedman (mathematician)|H. Friedman]], &amp;quot;[https://bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/u.osu.edu/dist/1/1952/files/2014/01/PrimitiveIndResults071302-189vmn0.pdf Primitive Independence Results]&amp;quot; (2002). Accessed 18 April 2024.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Corollary 2.6&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; If a cardinal &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\lambda&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is subtle, then for every &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\alpha&amp;lt;\lambda&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, every transitive set &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of cardinality &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\lambda&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; includes a chain (under inclusion) of order type &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\alpha&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friedman02&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Theorem 2.2&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Extensions==&lt;br /&gt;
A hypersubtle cardinal is a subtle cardinal which has a stationary set of subtle cardinals below it.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Henrion87&amp;quot;&amp;gt;C. Henrion, &amp;quot;[https://www.jstor.org/stable/2273834 Properties of Subtle Cardinals]. Journal of Symbolic Logic, vol. 52, no. 4 (1987), pp.1005--1019.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;p.1014&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[List of large cardinal properties]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== References ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*{{citation|first=Harvey |last=Friedman|authorlink=Harvey Friedman (mathematician)|title=Subtle Cardinals and Linear Orderings|journal= Annals of Pure and Applied Logic |year= 2001|volume=107|issue=1–3|pages=1–34 &lt;br /&gt;
|doi=10.1016/S0168-0072(00)00019-1|doi-access=free}} &lt;br /&gt;
*{{citation|title=Some Combinatorial Properties of L and V |url=http://www.mathematik.hu-berlin.de/~raesch/org/jensen.html|first=R. B. |last=Jensen|first2=K.|last2=Kunen|publisher=Unpublished manuscript|year=1969}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Citations===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Large cardinals]]&lt;br /&gt;
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