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{{Infobox album
| name = And Then...
| type = [[Album]]
| artist = [[Joe (singer)|Joe]]
| cover = Joe-and then.jpg
| border = yes
| alt =
| released = December 2, 2003
| recorded =
| venue =
| studio =
| genre =
| length = 51:31
| label = [[Jive Records|Jive]]
| producer =
*Joe (also [[executive producer|exec.]])
*Kedar Massenburg (exec.)
*[[Kevin "Shekspere" Briggs]]
*[[Carvin & Ivan]]
*[[Dre & Vidal]]
*Allen "Allstar" Gordon
*[[Roy "Royalty" Hamilton]]
*[[R. Kelly]]
*[[L.E.S. (producer)|L.E.S.]]
*Neil da Real
*[[Frank Romano]]
*Johnnie "Smurf" Smith
*[[The Underdogs (duo)|The Underdogs]]
| prev_title = [[Better Days (Joe album)|Better Days]]
| prev_year = 2001
| next_title = [[Ain't Nothin' Like Me]]
| next_year = 2007
| misc = {{Singles
| name = And Then...
| type = studio
| single1 = [[More & More (Joe song)|More & More]]
| single1date = November 18, 2003
| single2 = [[Ride wit U]]
| single2date = March 08, 2004
}}
}}

'''''And Then...''''' is the fifth studio album by [[United States|American]] recording artist [[Joe (singer)|Joe]]. It was released through [[Jive Records]] on December 2, 2003, in the [[United States]]. A breakaway from his previous album ''[[Better Days (Joe album)|Better Days]]'' (2001), the album saw Joe consulting a wider range of collaborators, including labelmate [[R. Kelly]] as well as [[Frank Romano]], [[Roy "Royalty" Hamilton]], [[L.E.S. (record producer)|L.E.S.]], [[Kevin "Shekspere" Briggs]], [[Dre & Vidal]], [[Carvin & Ivan]] and [[The Underdogs (production team)|The Underdogs]]. Rap group [[G-Unit]] and rapper [[Freeway (rapper)|Freeway]] appear as guest vocalists on the album.

The album earned generally lukewarm reviews from music critics who called it solid if not overly exceptional. It debuted and peaked number 26 on the US [[Billboard 200|''Billboard'' 200]] chart, selling 121,000 copies in its first week of release, and was eventually [[gold certification|certified gold]] by the [[Recording Industry Association of America]] (RIAA). ''And Then...'' produced two singles, including US lead single "[[More & More (Joe song)|More & More]]" and international lead single "[[Ride wit U]]" the latter of which reached the top 20 on the [[UK Singles Chart]].

== Background ==
''And Then...'' is an album that focuses on ballads. Joe states on his web site that he prefers singing ballads to up-tempo tracks. "I prefer to sing on ballads rather than up-tempos. You kind of showcase yourself as an r&b singer a lot better." The album also features a number of collaborations with prominent r&b writers and producers. Joe worked with labelmate [[R. Kelly]] on the lead single "[[More & More (Joe song)|More & More]]" and "Make You My Baby", these two songs were originally intended for R. Kelly's unreleased album "Loveland". [[Roy "Royalty" Hamilton]] worked with Joe on the title track, as well as "Sweeter than Sugar" and "Sweet Dreams". Songwriter [[Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs|Kevin "Shekspere" Briggs]] wrote the song "Bedroom" that appears late on the album. [[G-Unit]] appears on the track "[[Ride wit U]]". Produced by Frank Romano, which is one of the up-tempo tracks on the album — Joe returned the favour on their debut album.

== Promotion ==
"[[More & More (Joe song)|More & More]]," written and produced by label mate [[R. Kelly]], was released as the album's lead single in the United States. It peaked at number 48 on the US [[Billboard Hot 100|''Billboard'' Hot 100]] and reached number 15 on ''Billboard''{{'}}s [[Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs]] chart.<ref name="bsi">{{cite magazine|url=https://www.billboard.com/artist/joe/chart-history/bsi/|title=Joe Chart History (Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs)|magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|accessdate =July 17, 2023}}</ref> Elsewhere, the song was released on double A-single with "[[Ride wit U]]" featuring rap group [[G-Unit]]. It peaked at number 22 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and also reached number 12 on the [[UK Singles Chart]] and the top forty of the [[Australian Singles Chart]],<ref name="bsi"/> becoming his highest-charting single release since 2000's "[[Stutter (Joe song)|Stutter]]". Third single "Priceless," produced by The Underdogs, reached number 72 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.<ref name="bsi"/>

== Critical reception ==
{{Music ratings
|rev1 = [[AllMusic]]
|rev1score = {{Rating|3.5|5}}<ref name="allmusic">{{AllMusic|class=album|id=r667691}}</ref>
|rev2 = ''[[The Morning Call]]''
|rev2score = {{Rating|3|5}}<ref name="mcall">{{cite web|first=Dennis|last=Kelly|url=https://www.mcall.com/2004/02/21/joe-and-then-jive/|title=Joe, And Then (Jive)|work=[[The Morning Call]]|date=February 21, 2004|accessdate =July 17, 2023}}</ref>
|rev3 = ''[[Vibe (magazine)|Vibe]]''
|rev3score = {{Rating|3|5}}<ref name="Vibe">{{cite web|first=Tom|last=Terrell|url=http://vibe.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=140|title=Joe - And Then... (Jive)|work=[[Vibe (magazine)|Vibe]]|date=February 21, 2004|accessdate =July 17, 2023|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20040323111316/http://vibe.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=140|archive-date=March 23, 2004}}</ref>
}}

Upon release, ''And Then...'' received generally lukewarm reviews from music critics. ''[[New York Times]]'' critic Jon Pareles found that "with his light but precise tenor voice, Joe applies bends and quavers to every note that can withstand them, and like [[R. Kelly|Mr. Kelly]], he can sound oddly mournful as he's proclaiming his undying love and happiness. The production stays understated, mostly using down-tempo drum machines and sleek keyboards. Joe's ambitions don't extend far beyond the bedroom (and the garage that holds all the cars he mentions). He's not a utopian yearner like [[Musiq Soulchild]], just a guy on the make. But his limited ambitions are easier to achieve."<ref>{{cite web|first=Jon|last=Pareles|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/22/arts/critic-s-choice-new-cd-s-seducing-with-words-and-wiles.html|title=CRITIC'S CHOICE/New CD's; Seducing With Words and Wiles|work=[[New York Times]]|date=December 22, 2003|accessdate =July 17, 2023}}</ref>

[[AllMusic]] wrote that "Joe maintains his steady recording output with ''And Then...'', another in a line of his generally solid if not overly exceptional albums highlighted by a couple standout cuts [...] Here he's in really good hands, especially on the aforementioned Kelly and Hamilton songs, which rank among the very best of his career.<ref name="allmusic"/> They rated the album three and a half stars out of five.<ref name="allmusic"/> ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' wrote: "Enlisting Kelly and other guest producers, Joe undercuts the consistency critique leveled at last year's ''[[Better Days (Joe album)|Better Days]]''. There are still a few formulaic and trite bumps along the way [...] Those missteps are outpaced by several noteworthy tracks."<ref>{{cite magazine|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=qA8EAAAAMBAJ|title=Billboard Picks: Albums|magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|date=10 January 2004 |accessdate =July 17, 2023}}</ref> Dennis Kelly from ''[[The Morning Call]]'' found that "after his biggest album, 2000's ''[[My Name Is Joe (album)|My Name Is Joe]]'', he seemed to lose his way a bit on the followup, 2001's ''Better Days''. Now with ''And Then…'' [...] he's back to his slow jam ways [...] that best suit Joe's soft, sentimental delivery, which should suit his fans just fine."<ref name="mcall"/>

== Commercial success ==
''And Then...'' debuted at number 26 on the US [[Billboard 200|''Billboard'' 200]] and number four on ''Billboard''{{'}}s [[Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums]] chart, selling 121,000 copies during which what ''Billboard'' described as "a busy holiday retail season."<ref>{{cite magazine|first=Katie|last=Hasty|url =https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lavigne-remains-no-1-as-joe-debuts-high-1052411/|title =Lavigne Remains No. 1 As Joe Debuts High|magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|accessdate =July 17, 2023}}</ref> It was eventually [[gold certification|certified gold]] by the [[Recording Industry Association of America]] (RIAA) on September 23, 2004.<ref name="RIAA"/> Outside the United States, the album reached the top thirty on the Dutch [[MegaCharts]].<ref name="dutch"/> In the United Kingdom, ''And Then...'' reached number 73 on the [[UK Albums Chart]] and was certified gold by [[British Phonographic Industry]] (BPI) on July 22, 2013.<ref name="BPI"/>

== Track listing ==
{{track listing
| headline = ''And Then...'' track listing
| extra_column = Producer(s)
| total_length = 51:31

| title1 = Sweeter Than Sugar
| writer1 = {{hlist|Ernest E. Dixon|[[Roy "Royalty" Hamilton]]|[[Curtis Mayfield]]}}
| extra1 = Hamilton
| length1 = 3:38

| title2 = And Then...
| writer2 = {{hlist|Dixon|Hamilton}}
| extra2 = Hamilton
| length2 = 3:26

| title3 = [[More & More (Joe song)|More & More]]
| writer3 = [[R. Kelly|Robert Kelly]]
| extra3 = [[R. Kelly]]
| length3 = 3:43

| title4 = [[Ride Wit U]]
| note4 = featuring [[G-Unit]]
| writer4 = {{hlist|[[Carvin & Ivan (Karma Productions)|Ivan Barias]]|[[Young Buck|David Brown]]|[[Carvin & Ivan (Karma Productions)|Carvin Haggins]]|[[Curtis Jackson]]|[[Lloyd Banks|Christopher Lloyd]]|[[Frank Romano]]|James Rayshawn Smith}}
| extra4 = {{hlist|Frankie "Vegas" Romano|[[Carvin & Ivan (Karma Productions)|Carvin & Ivan]]{{ref|a|[a]}}}}
| length4 = 4:11

| title5 = Priceless
| writer5 = {{Hlist|[[The Underdogs (production team)|Damon Thomas]]|[[Harvey Mason, Jr.]]|[[The Underdogs (production team)|Eric Dawkins]]|Antonio Dixon}}
| extra5 = [[The Underdogs (duo)|The Underdogs]]
| length5 = 4:35

| title6 = Jeep
| writer6 = {{hlist|Joe Thomas|Dixon|Allen "Allstar" Gordon|Charmelle Cofield}}
| extra6 = {{hlist|Joe|Gordon}}
| length6 = 4:35

| title7 = You Dropped Your Dime
| writer7 = {{hlist|[[L.E.S. (record producer)|Leshan Lewis]]|Dixon}}
| extra7 = {{hlist|[[L.E.S. (record producer)|L.E.S.]]|Neil da Real}}
| length7 = 3:53

| title8 = Make You My Baby
| writer8 = Kelly
| extra8 = R. Kelly
| length8 = 3:41

| title9 = Street Dreams
| writer9 = {{hlist|[[Tupac Shakur]]|Hamilton|Tyruss Himes|James P. Pennington|[[Nasir Jones]]|[[David A. Stewart]]|[[Annie Lennox]]|Jean Claude Olivier|Samuel J. Barnes|Johnny Jackson|Dixo }}
| extra9 = Hamilton
| length9 = 2:50

| title10 = It Ain't Like That
| writer10 = {{hlist|Joe|Skinner|Gordon}}
| extra10 = {{hlist|Joe|Gordon}}
| length10 = 4:23

| title11 = Another Used to Be
| writer11 = {{hlist|Barias|Haggins|Johnnie Smith|James Rayshawn Smith}}
| extra11 = {{hlist|Carvin & Ivan|Johnnie "Smurf" Smith{{ref|a|[a]}}}}
| length11 = 4:59

| title12 = Bedroom
| writer12 = {{hlist|Joe|Skinner|[[Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs]]}}
| extra12 = Briggs
| length12 = 3:31

| title13 = Testify
| writer13 = {{hlist|Barias|Haggins|Troy Corbin|Romano}}
| extra13 = Carvin & Ivan
| length13 = 4:07

}}
{{track listing
| headline = Bonus tracks
| extra_column = Producer(s)

| title14 = Hey Mami
| writer14 = {{hlist|Joe|Dixon|Gordon}}
| extra14 = {{hlist|Joe|Gordon}}
| length14 = 3:58

| title15 = I Remember
| note15 = featuring [[Freeway (rapper)|Freeway]]
| writer15 = {{hlist|Thomas|[[Andre Harris]]|[[Dre & Vidal|Vidal Davis]]|[[Freeway (rapper)|Leslie Pridgen]]}}
| extra15 = [[Dre & Vidal]]
| length15 = 4:12
}}
;Notes
* {{note|a|[a]}} signifies a co-producer

;Sampling credits
* "Sweeter Than Sugar" contains a sample from "The Makings of You" by [[Gladys Knight & The Pips]].
* "Street Dreams" samples from "Never Gonna Stop" by [[Linda Clifford]], "[[Street Dreams (song)|Street Dreams]]" by [[Nas (rapper)|Nas]], and "All Eyez on Me" by [[2Pac]].

==Charts==
{{col-begin}}
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===Weekly charts===
{| class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Weekly chart performance for ''And Then...''
|-
! scope="col"| Chart (2003)
! scope="col"| Peak position
|-
! scope="row"| Australian Albums ([[ARIA Charts|ARIA]])<ref name="ARIA history pages">{{cite web|url=https://imgur.com/a/NdJ9Q7C | title=Joe ARIA Chart History (albums) complete to 2024|publisher=ARIA|via=Imgur.com|access-date= July 20, 2024}} N.B. The High Point number in the NAT column represents the release's peak on the national chart.</ref>
|align="center"| 130
|-
{{album chart|Netherlands|28|accessdate=December 20, 2013|artist=Joe|album=And Then...|rowheader=true | refname="dutch"}}
|-
{{album chart|France|108|accessdate=January 2, 2014|artist=Joe|album=And Then...|rowheader=true}}
|-
{{album chart|Germany3|90|M|title=Joe – And Then...|url=http://www.officialcharts.de/|publisher=charts.de|accessdate=January 2, 2014|artist=Joe|album=And Then...|rowheader=true}}
|-
{{album chart|UK|73|artist=Joe|album=And Then|date=20040516|rowheader=true|accessdate=July 10, 2018}}
|-
{{album chart|UKR&B|14|artist=Joe|album=And Then|date=20040516|rowheader=true|accessdate=March 14, 2023}}
|-
{{album chart|Billboard200|24|artist=Joe|rowheader=true|accessdate=December 19, 2014}}
|-
{{album chart|BillboardRandBHipHop|4|artist=Joe|rowheader=true|accessdate=December 19, 2014}}
|}
{{col-2}}

=== Year-end charts ===
{| class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders"
|+ Year-end chart performance for ''And Then...''
|-
! scope="col"| Chart (2004)
! scope="col"| Position
|-
! scope="row"| US ''Billboard'' 200<ref>{{cite magazine|url=https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2004/top-billboard-200-albums|title=Top Billboard 200 Albums – Year-End 2004|magazine=Billboard|accessdate=September 15, 2020}}</ref>
| style="text-align:center;"|169
|-
! scope="row"| US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (''Billboard'')<ref>{{cite magazine|title=R&B/Hip-Hop Albums: Year End 2004|magazine=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|url=https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2004/top-r-and-b-hip-hop-albums|accessdate=July 10, 2018}}</ref>
| style="text-align:center;"|37
|-
|}
{{col-end}}

== Certifications ==
{{Certification Table Top|caption=Certifications and sales for ''And Then...''}}
{{Certification Table Entry | region=United Kingdom | artist=Joe | title=And Then| type=album | award=Silver | relyear=2003 | certyear=2013 | certmonth=7| accessdate=July 10, 2018|id=9854-746-2 | refname="BPI"}}
{{Certification Table Entry | region=United States | artist=Joe | title=And Then| type=album | award=Gold | relyear=2003 | accessdate=July 10, 2018 | refname="RIAA"}}
{{Certification Table Bottom }}

== References ==
{{Reflist|2}}

{{Joe}}

{{Authority control}}

[[Category:2003 albums]]
[[Category:Joe (singer) albums]]
[[Category:Jive Records albums]]
[[Category:Albums produced by R. Kelly]]
[[Category:Albums produced by the Underdogs (production team)]]
[[Category:Albums produced by L.E.S. (record producer)]]

And Then... - Revision history

imported>Majash2020: /* Weekly charts */ Fix UK parameter as previous parameter didn't go anywhere

imported>Ser Amantio di Nicolao: /* top */ add {{Use mdy dates|date=June 2025}}

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