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== Leo33 ==

I think we might have a [[WP:TOOSOON]] case with [[Leo33]]. So far, the clearly notable [[Zach Top]] seems to be the only artist on the label who's released anything, and most of the coverage in the article is about Zach Top and not Leo33 proper. I would suggest this be draftified for a while until the label becomes more notable. Paging {{ping|Caldorwards4}}, {{ping|Martin4647}}, {{ping|Jax 0677}}, {{ping|sergecross73}}, {{ping|CloversMallRat}}, {{ping|ss112}} <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 17:42, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed. I kind of doubt it'd survive a close review of [[WP:CORPDEPTH]]. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 18:27, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Sergecross73}}  Any suggestions here? This discussion kind of fizzled out and CloversMallRat isn't interested in doing anything. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 19:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:Zach Top is clearly the spearhead for the label in terms of majority news since he's the big success story so far, but I don't see an issue here as it has received enough press to have a sufficient number of reputable sources (Billboard, Music Row), was started by notable industry executives with ties to big labels, and it has been signing several artists (who have released material even if it hasn't been on Top's level of success). If something like [[R&J Records]] can exist with virtually no sources, or [[Black River Entertainment]] who has only had 1 real success story in [[Kelsea Ballerini]], I don't see the problem with Leo33 existing as it is. It's pretty clearly going to only continue growing as Top is on the precipice of being huge at the format, so there's no indication that the label will cease to be notable imo. [[User:CloversMallRat|CloversMallRat]] ([[User talk:CloversMallRat|talk]]) 00:44, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::If your examples haven't survived any sort of scrutiny like a merge or deletion discussion, [[WP:OSE|they're not good examples of what's acceptable]]. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 00:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::*''' Keep, or send to AFD '''- I think we should keep it, or at least have the conversation at AFD!. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 13:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::*:There's nothing wrong with having a preliminary discussion before AFD to gauge things. Its not like it'd be deleted from this discussion alone. That said, its not particularly helpful to say "I think we should keep it" without giving any explanation at all. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 20:46, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
:::*::{{re|Sergecross73}} any suggestions on what to do with the Leo33 article? <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 03:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::R&J Records at least had a large roster of mostly notable artists and was around for multiple years. Black River has had multiple chart entries prior to Kelsea Ballerini, and has received way more significant coverage. The current Leo33 roster is not notable except for Zach Top, and the label only began last year. I argue that it's a [[WP:TOOSOON]] and would probably be better served as draftified or redirected to Zach Top as an [[WP:ATD]], unless someone has a better idea than that. As it stands, it's just too new a product to be notable, but ''may'' be notable in the future, so the current content should be preserved in some fashion. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 04:42, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== FA nomination for [[Vince Gill]] ==

I am looking for feedback at [[WP:FAC|Featured Article Nominations]] for [[Vince Gill]], which I am trying to get to featured article. Please check it out [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vince Gill/archive1|here]]. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 14:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== LGBTQ representation in jazz ==

New stub: '''[[LGBTQ representation in jazz]]'''

Collaboration welcome! ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 14:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Attribution for a score? ==

In another project, I'd like to use some images from Wikipedia that are generated from the score module along the lines of what you get if you right-click and download the images in [[Peter and the Wolf#Instrumentation]].  Since these aren't actually uploaded images, they don't have their own pages with file attribution guidelines.  Can anyone please point me in the right direction for correct attribution?  Thanks! -- [[User:Avocado|Avocado]] ([[User talk:Avocado|talk]]) 17:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:I suspect that attribution would be the same as for any text from Wikipedia, [[WP:CC BY-SA]]. -- [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 00:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

== Discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Katy Perry]] ==

There is currently a discussion ongoing at [[Wikipedia talk:Katy Perry]] regarding her studio album chronology based on her major-label debut. Please share your opinion on the discussion page. Thanks. [[User:Camilasdandelions|<span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color:#ff85f9">''' ''Camilasdandelions'' '''</span>]] ([[User talk:Camilasdandelions|<span style="font-size: 0.95em; font-family: Georgia; color:#2550a4">talk!</span>]]) 07:43, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

== RfC on guidance for bonus and alternative track listings ==

I've started an RfC about what guidance, if any, there should be for bonus and alternative tracks in album articles: [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#RfC_on_bonus_and_alternate_track_listings]]. Thanks.--[[User:3family6|3family6]] ([[User talk:3family6|Talk to me]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/3family6|See what I have done]]) 11:52, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

== Oricon charts (for anyone's interest) ==

Good morning everyone,

some weeks ago, I reached out to [[Oricon]] regarding the availability of the You Taiki page with contains the full coverage of every Charts published by the company. As I am currently focusing on Japanese musicians and bands I (and I am translating articles from English to German) some information like chart entries below 50th place in the Oricon Singles and Albums Charts (after implementing You Taiki and earlier entries bein archived online) I reached out the company asking if it is possible to get access from overseas and adding PayPal as payment method.
Oricon replied to me some days later and unfortunately, they wrote that You Taiki is and will only be accessible in Japan and they disapprove the usage of the data from You Taiki (including chart positions and first-week sales, even I did not ask for using the latter).

This is the message Oricon had sent to me:
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--[[User:Goroth|Goroth]] ([[User talk:Goroth|talk]]) 07:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:Well that's quite upsetting. Did they state why they disaprove of it being used outside of Japan?[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 10:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Reliable database sources for albums? ==

Hey all. I'm working with [[WP:URA|Wikiproject Unreferenced Articles]] and I was wondering if there's any good database sources that count as reliable that can be used for unreferenced album articles? [[AllMusic]] is clearly right out due to [[WP:ALLMUSIC]], as is any other user-generated source like [[Discogs]]. So, what good non-user generated databases are out there for music? [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color: dimgrey;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color: blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 23:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:Allmusic is still good for bio and album reviews, it's not as much as their database, but the usable content still has pretty good reach. But yeah, honestly, I'm not sure there are many. Unfortunately, in this day and age, most databases are user-generated, AI-generated, or Wikipedia-generated. There's aggregators like Metacritic I guess, but there's not usually much original content to be used there either. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 23:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

:Nothing wrong with using Allmusic for matter-of-fact confirmation of discographical information. Discogs is far and away the most comprehensive and reliable source in the world for anything discographical, but because it is UGC, you should use it ''and then not cite it''. (This is silly, yes, but it is what makes a better encyclopedia.) More than anything else, you can trust ''the albums themselves'' as sources, since they are published works (and since Discogs usually has ''photographs'' of them, you often don't even have to have them on hand). An album is a reliable source for information about itself, just like a published book is. [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] ([[User talk:Chubbles|talk]]) 04:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Michael Gira]] ==
A while back there was a long discussion on the [[Talk:Michael Gira#Allegation dispute|Micheal Gira talk page]] about an abuse allegation against him and it's inclusion on his page. An editor claims that the coverage of the allegations shouldn't happen because he's "not a public figure", among other claims on why they think the claims should not be included. I have responded to several of them on why I think they are incorrect. I would like to have some other editors revisit this as I felt the discussion didn't really go anywhere with only a few editors involved. [[User:Ringerfan23|RF23]] ([[User talk:Ringerfan23|talk]]) 14:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unreferenced articles June push ==
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'''Please consider signing up for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/June_2025|June 2025 Unreferenced Articles backlog drive]].'''
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This project has over (>7000) recorded unreferenced article. Help [[WP:UAR|us]] improve your project by adding citations and participating in the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/June_2025/Participants|June push]]'''.
</div> [[User:Someonefighter|Someonefighter]] ([[User talk:Someonefighter|talk]]) 06:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

== Jewish country music ==

[[Jewish country music]] is a synthesis of ideas, a two-sentence stub with bad sources. I think it should go, as there's no info worth keeping or merging. The intersection of country musicians and Jewish ones doesn't seem to be a noteworthy topic. What say you, {{ping|Caldorwards4}}, {{ping|Martin4647}}, {{ping|Sergecross73}}, {{ping|Another Believer}}? <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 02:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
:It seems like something that ''could'' be a notable topic, but if there aren't sources out there then it should probably be AFDed.[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 09:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Newly unreliable source - vinylmeplease ==

I've noticed a few new citations of blogposts by the website/e-shop Vinyl Me Please getting added to music articles. 99.9999% chance these posts are generated by AI, they have all the stereotypical hallmarks of AI generated writing, are unattributed, and come back 100% on AI detectors. Per [[WP:RSPCHATGPT]] they shouldn't be used.

The company just announced this year they were going out of business and the AI articles seem to be indications it is now a zombie linkfarm site. So older citations are probably fine. I don't know the cutoff date though. [[Special:Contributions/68.174.163.248|68.174.163.248]] ([[User talk:68.174.163.248|talk]]) 16:11, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Merger ==

There is a discussion underway to merge [[Son of the Mountains]] with [[Brad Paisley]]. Your participation is encouraged [[Talk:Brad_Paisley#Proposed_merge_of_Son_of_the_Mountains_into_Brad_Paisley|here]]. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 16:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Discussion at Template talk:Infobox musical artist ==

There is a discussion underway to change parameters on the Musicians infobox. Participation is encouraged [[Template talk:Infobox musical artist#Works instead of Discography|here]]. '''[[User:GustavoCza|GustavoCza]]''' ([[User talk:GustavoCza|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/GustavoCza|contribs]]) 01:49, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Freddy Wexler]] article ==

Hello! I'm an employee of Beutler Ink, working on improvements to the [[Freddy Wexler]] article. I have an open edit request over on the [[Talk:Freddy_Wexler#Early_life_and_education_section|Freddy Wexler Talk page]] and thought editors at this project might be interested. I avoid editing the main space because of my COI, so I'm asking others to review and implement appropriately. If anyone has any questions, I would be happy to address them over on the article's Talk page. Thanks! [[User:BINK Robin|BINK Robin]] ([[User talk:BINK Robin|talk]]) 20:12, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== BLP privacy ==

I noticed today that the editor @[[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] removed the all the names of children (except the ones with articles, or are deceased) from articles on [[The Rolling Stones]] members. I believe this is an overeager interpetation of [[WP:BLPPRIVACY]], which states caution should be used and when naming family members and that it needs to be "properly sourced", not that they need to always be outright removed if they are living persons. And that reliable sources outside of news articles are prefered for sourcing. The majority of the individuals that were removed are not minors and don't seem to be obscure or private persons just because they don't have Wikipedia articles (yet). Many of them have willingly been involved in public over the years, (such as working in entertainment themselves, being interviewed for articles, or appearing in documentaries, etc). For example, [[Brian Jones]] son Julian with [[Linda Lawrence]] is a musician himself and has performed with his adoptive father [[Donovan]]. Not to mention that when your parent is as famous as theirs are, there is probably no meaningful way to actually avoid being discussed in biographies and similar, I don't believe in these person's cases reliable sources are a problem. I for example happen to have access to the book ''[[The Stone Age: Sixty Years of the Rolling Stones]]'' by [[Lesley-Ann Jones]] which discusses all the Stones major relationships and their children. It's far from the only book to do so. Pretty much all their names are already known to anyone who does a simple Google search or picks up a book on the band, and unless we have reason to think some of them would prefer to be excluded removing them from Wikipedia does nothing but make the article less complete, in my opinion. To summarize I don't think it's the right approach to remove all these names as some kind of standard. [[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 00:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:I've followed guidance from {{username|Escape Orbit}} in the past on this. They can weight in if they feel so inclined. The naming- and (especially) birthdate-sharing of the children (and maybe one grandchild?) seemed incredibly unnecessary in relation to learning about, say, Mick Jagger's life's work. I got the impression that a single editor felt the need to include the information, because it was very repetitive. I left the notable children in for each of the articles. For reference, my edits were:
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlie_Watts&diff=prev&oldid=1294879602 Charlie Watts]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mick_Jagger&diff=prev&oldid=1294879874 Mick Jagger]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keith_Richards&diff=prev&oldid=1294880059 Keith Richards]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ronnie_Wood&diff=prev&oldid=1294880237 Ronnie Wood]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Jones&diff=prev&oldid=1294880562 Brian Jones]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ian_Stewart_(musician)&diff=prev&oldid=1294880620 Ian Stewart]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Wyman&diff=prev&oldid=1294880849 Bill Wyman]
:*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mick_Taylor&diff=prev&oldid=1294880986 Mick Taylor]
:[[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 01:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::Wikipedia biographies are not just overviews of someones "life's work". They're biographies. Wikipedia gladly covers the personal lives of famous people, for example we have articles like [[personal relationships of Paul McCartney]]. If we're removing the names of their children without articles, why not all other family members? Their wives, siblings, parents, etc. That's certainly not a standard I've come across ever on Wikipedia.[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 02:06, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::After reviewing [[WP:BLPPRIVACY]] and especially [[WP:BLPNAME]] (The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject.[f] Names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced.), I think the names of family members may be included in the articles if well documented, but not birth dates.
:::It separates family members from the primary subject of the article.  The birthdate of [[Mick Jagger]] can be listed in his article, unless he or his representative reaches out and requests that it not be included, but with a presumption of privacy, only the names of his children may be included with proper sourcing. If the birth date of the next generation must be posted, create an article for the child. For example [[Jade Jagger]] has an article, and the birth date of Jade can be posted in the infobox for the article, but it would be inappropriate to list the birth date in the article for Mick Jagger. It would be acceptable, I think, to include the birth year, but anything more than that does nothing to expand the knowledge of Mick Jagger.
:::I believe every edit of an article for a living person should take into consideration a reasonable consideration of privacy, and should consider how the data improves the knowledge for the subject and only the subject of the article.  [[User:Mburrell|Mburrell]] ([[User talk:Mburrell|talk]]) 02:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Official guidance here is open to interpretation and editors have to make a judgement call to reach consensus.  My view is generally there is no need to name children, unless they are notable in their own right.  (Maybe not notable enough to have their own article, but notable.) This seems particularly important when it is evident that the article subject has made no attempt to make their children's details public knowledge, or actively shields it.   Wikipedia is not a gossip column, and just because readers may, for some reason, have an interest in knowing names, does not mean the [[WP:BLPPRIVACY|the privacy]] of the children (and parents) should be encroached on by an encyclopaedia. I can think of few reason why I, or most people, ''need'' to know Mick Jagger's children's names (again, with the except of those who are notable in their own right).  I can get a perfectly informed and full understanding of the man without knowing this.  Same goes for dates of birth.  While the existence of the children, and their approximate ages, are significant features of the article subject's life, who ''needs'' to know their precise birthdays?  And doesn't this information constitute trivia?   I realise that some notable people make no attempt to have any privacy, and publicize their children as much as any other aspect of their personal life.  But I always think that Wikipedia should consider what say the children have had in this, and err on the side of privacy in all cases. --[[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 09:01, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::::But how to judge if a child is notable enough to mention by name, but not notable enough to have an article?[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 12:48, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

==[[:Pinkvilla]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Information.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Pinkvilla]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: Pinkvilla|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you.([[Special:Contributions/2405:6E00:222A:34AF:E06A:39FF:FE44:384F|2405:6E00:222A:34AF:E06A:39FF:FE44:384F]] ([[User talk:2405:6E00:222A:34AF:E06A:39FF:FE44:384F|talk]]) 10:00, 14 June 2025 (UTC))

== Band name origin and name versions ==

Hello, I'm looking for input on whether it is acceptable if not encouraged to document the name origin and potential names a band considered before settling on their current name, provided the information is backed by multiple sources (e.g. interviews with an active founding member). On [[The Hardkiss]], it appears the only active editors are me and [[User:Revirvlkodlaku|Revirvlkodlaku]], and we are not making progress despite having had an exchange on my talk page. Please chime in on the [[Talk:The Hardkiss|article talk page]] or get involved in the article space if you could. [[User:Daisy Blue|Daisy Blue]] ([[User talk:Daisy Blue|talk]]) 09:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, absolutely, as long as you've got a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] and you're [[WP:STICKTOSOURCE|conveying it accurately]], it should without a doubt be included. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 17:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)