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== [[Tony Petitti]] ==

It's disturbing how poorly sourced this BLP about an otherwise famous person can be. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 18:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
: You have every opportunity to improve the article. [[User:Dmoore5556|Dmoore5556]] ([[User talk:Dmoore5556|talk]]) 01:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced attendance figures in Ottawa Titans article ==

An editor is adding unsourced attendance figures to the [[Ottawa Titans]] article. Any assistance in maintaining the article is appreciated. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 22:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{yo|Isaacl}} That account is a sockpuppet of [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Kaepertank]] as evidenced by the existing fr.wiki block shown in the global account log. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 23:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[Ian Kinsler]] ==
[[Ian Kinsler]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Ian Kinsler/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 16:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
: I've made some improvements to try to resolve the concerns but as a Royals fan I didn't follow Kinsler all that closely during his career. Any Rangers or Tigers fans who want to take a look at this as well? [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 23:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

== new category? ==

A new user seems to have created a category for "[[:Category:MLB eventual champion elimination seasons]]" which seems really unnecessary. Be on the lookout. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 22:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{yo|Spanneraol}} …as well as "[[:Category:NBA eventual champion elimination seasons]]" and "[[:Category:NHL eventual champion elimination seasons]]". [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 23:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::Not a useful category. I can't think why anyone would need to know this. --[[User:Jameboy|Jameboy]] ([[User talk:Jameboy|talk]]) 23:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
* Nominated for deletion at '''[[WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 29#Eventual champion elimination seasons]]'''. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 00:25, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

== Requested move at [[Talk:Ogden Gunners#Requested move 22 May 2025]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Ogden Gunners#Requested move 22 May 2025]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>]]''<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b>]]</sup> 12:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

== Jac Caglianone  and the 2023 College Baseball All-America Team ==

[[Jac Caglianone]] was a unanimous selection for the [[2024 College Baseball All-America Team]] as a utility player, but he was also named a first-team All-American by 3 of the 4 selectors for the [[2023 College Baseball All-America Team]] but at a different position for each team (1B, DH, and UT). Caglianone should probably be listed as a consensus All-American. The NCAA DI record book that I found does not include All-American teams, but I do know that for football they go off first place mentions to determine the consensus teams and do not take position into account. Best, [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 15:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:It's not necessarily uniform across sports. There needs to coverage about widely-accepted consensus selectors.  For example, [[2025 NCAA Women's Basketball All-Americans]] says they don't have consensus designations. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 16:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::True. Additionally, if there isn't any coverage regarding consensus All-American status for baseball then we should revise the AA team articles and also delete the associated navboxes as they are [[WP:SYNTH]]ed conclusions rather than a recognized consensus AA team. Best, [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 16:27, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

==Shigeo Nagashima==
Can some people here work on the [[Shigeo Nagashima]] article? It was nominated at [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#RD:_Shigeo_Nagashima|ITN]] for a requested death posting, but it is woefully under-referenced. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 18:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{yo|Natg 19}} [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/長嶋茂雄#外部リンク ja.wiki's got plenty of sources] (199 total references as of this moment), for those knowledgeable and inclined enough to translate sources. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 04:02, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[Buster Posey]] ==
[[Buster Posey]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Buster Posey/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 18:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

==Dominican citizenship==
There is an IP editor at [[Vladimir Guerrero Jr.]] who appears to be trying to make a [[WP:POINT|point]] by removing Dominican citizenship from Vlad's article, possibly based on some slight at the [[Manny Machado]] article. Can someone investigate this. [[User:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #8b4513;">Mind</span>]][[User_talk:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #ee8811;">matrix</span>]] 13:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Is he actually Dominican? All the sources I've read state that he is a Canadian citizen who was raised in the DR. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 16:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Indeed, he was raised in the DR. He signed with the Blue Jays as an international free agent. Whereas Manny is from Miami and was selected in the MLB draft as an American player. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:See also [[Dominican Republic nationality law]]. [[User:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #8b4513;">Mind</span>]][[User_talk:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #ee8811;">matrix</span>]] 14:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Moe Berg ==

I have nominated [[Moe Berg]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Moe Berg/archive2|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]].<!--Template:FARMessage--> [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 14:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Defensive substitution]] ==

This has been unsourced for decades. Could somebody please add reliable sources? You could earn points at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/June 2025]]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 01:51, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defensive_substitution&diff=prev&oldid=1295318879] {{thumbs up}} &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 01:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Hits in infobox (again) ==

In [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_52#Hits_in_infobox this discussion] from just over a month ago, I raised the question of whether hits should be listed in the infobox stats. While participation was very limited, {{u|Bagumba}} pointed out [[WP:BASESTYLEPL]], which indicates that only triple crown stats should be used unless {{tq|there is another statistic that is representative of the player's career}}. After that discussion ran its course, I began removing hits for players who had less than 1,000 hits. For instance, [[Riley Greene]] only recently reached the 400 hit plateau for his career, but my removal of hits from his infobox has been twice reverted without explanation ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riley_Greene&diff=prev&oldid=1293171281], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riley_Greene&diff=prev&oldid=1295564647]) by {{u|BaseballFanatic1}}. Clearly we need to establish a consensus here. What is the minimum baseline for including a player's hits in the infobox? Personally, I favor 1,000 hits as the minimum baseline for inclusion. [[User:Lepricavark|L<small>EPRICAVARK</small>]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark#top|<small>talk</small>]]) 17:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Personally, I favor 300 or 400 as the minimum baseline for hits because I don't wait way too long to add hits on certain players' infobox stats. There's any way to agreed to that or what? Answer me back as you aren't too busy to answer to my question. Thank you and good day. [[User:BaseballFanatic1|BaseballFanatic1]] ([[User talk:BaseballFanatic1|talk]]) 18:14, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::It's not really feasible to base Wikipedia guidance on how long individual editors are willing to wait before making a change. Total hits is a rough proxy for a player's long-term ability to contribute to team offense. Thus in my view, a rough threshold should be set at a level where the player's longevity becomes a key characteristic of their career. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 18:26, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Second this^^ Otherwise, the amount of hits is little more than the inclusion of trivia. [[User:Alyo|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Alyo</span>]] ''([[User talk:Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>]])'' 14:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there should be a mandatory lower bound - there are at least a few pages, mostly those of players who didn't have an extensive career, where one could argue it makes less sense to use all the triple crown stats instead of some combination of hits / plate appearances / runs / homers / RBIs. On the other hand, though, I don't see any reason that Green's hit total should be reported in the infobox, and even adding it for all players who reach 1,000 seems low - it's a nice milestone, I'm sure, but certainly not on the level of 3,000 (or even 2,000) hits, 500 home runs, or 1,000 RBIs. [[User:Hatman31|Hatman31]] <small>(he/him · [[User talk:Hatman31|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Hatman31|contribs]])</small> 02:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I'd put it at 2,000 hits.  Seems to be a point of drawing headlines.[https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/6841373/texas-rangers-michael-young-reaches-2000-hit-club-thanks-hard-work]—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 11:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

It would appear that {{u|BaseballFanatic1}} is continuing to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1295998332&oldid=1295791863&title=Riley_Greene revert without discussion (or use of edit summaries)]. Do we need to formally convert this into an RfC in order to get an official result that will be enforceable on our articles? [[User:Lepricavark|L<small>EPRICAVARK</small>]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark#top|<small>talk</small>]]) 12:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:I've restored the discussion link there, as this is still ongoing. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 12:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:No per [[WP:NOTBURO]], an RfC isn't any more "enforceable" than regular discussion, no need to escalate to an RfC unless there's a valid content reason why the discussion could benefit from wider participation. If a single user is being disruptive regarding disputed content without or against consensus, warn, and raise at [[WP:ANI]] if it persists. {{u|BaseballFanatic1}}, please stop adding hits to infoboxes for players with less than 1000 until a consensus is reached, and please stop removing valid maintenance templates for active issues. Instead, continue discussing here, thank you. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 15:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree that there's nothing magical about an RfC, but they do tend to draw a little bit more participation. I'd like to get more input here from other talk page watchers before I go around removing hits from infoboxes again. [[User:Lepricavark|L<small>EPRICAVARK</small>]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark#top|<small>talk</small>]]) 13:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
:I oppose hits being in the infobox ''unless'' a player has/had either (1) nearly or greater than 3,000 hits, or (2) no home runs or runs batted in in his career. I came here because I saw [[Julio Rodríguez]] had his 555 career hits in his infobox. This seems ridiculous. It only really seems reasonable for guys like [[Bill Buckner]] or [[Milo Allison]]. --[[User:Denniscabrams|Dennis C. Abrams]] ([[User talk:Denniscabrams|talk]]) 01:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::Personally, I wouldn't support a no home runs or RBIs criterion, or the earlier suggestion of someone without an extensive career. I think any one in these categories doesn't have a key characteristic of contributing over the long term to team offense, by definition. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 02:15, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{tqq|nearly or greater than 3,000 hits}}: "nearly" gets subjective;  I suggested 2,000+ (above). —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:::It's subjective but not unreasonably subjective. But ''if'' we're going to use a definite minimum, I'd opt for something closer to 2,750 than 2,000. [[User:Denniscabrams|Dennis C. Abrams]] ([[User talk:Denniscabrams|talk]]) 12:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I think you are drawing the line higher than most would. Others seem to favor 2,000, while I prefer 1,000. At any rate, I think it is becoming clear that 300-400 is unacceptably low. [[User:Lepricavark|L<small>EPRICAVARK</small>]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark#top|<small>talk</small>]]) 13:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

== slashed? ==

I keep seeing people writing John Doe slashed .309/.398/.782 in text for player articles... I keep trying to fix these but cant keep up with the multitude of articles that are using that phrasing... We really should avoid typing "slashed" or at the very least link to the [[slash line]] definition on first usage cause otherwise regular non baseballs stathead readers wont have any idea what it means or what any of those numbers mean unless we explain them.  Batting average is more or less explainable... but if you use slashed you have to explain what those numbers are. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 02:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:I would have objected say a decade ago to its usage, but it seems to have become mainstream in general sources now.  Definitely link to the term.  Is there enough info for its own standalone page (I dont follow baseball too deeply these days)? —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 03:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:The character combinations seem both unique and common enough that linking the term should be doable semi-automatedly via [[WP:AWB]]/[[WP:JWB]] if anyone is up for the task. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 03:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::One could also try at [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks]]. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, that was on my mind too. Example coding would be "replace" {{code|slashed .3}} and "with" {{code|[[Slash line|slashed]] .3}}. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 04:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:There's also inaccurate text like {{tqq|batting .277/.326/.444}}[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackson_Merrill&oldid=1294788285#cite_ref-q031_11-0:~:text=batting%20.277/.326/.444%20with%2015%20home%20runs%2C%2064%20RBI%2C%20and%2015%20stolen%20bases] —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:This was last [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Archive 48#Standardization of inline statistics?|discussed in September 2022]] (with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Baseball/Style_advice&diff=prev&oldid=1109297245 style advice page updated] as a result). I raised the issue that the corresponding glossary item doesn't actually define what stats are included; it just says what is typical. I think it would be desirable to avoid ambiguity and spell out the stats as {{nowrap|"{{nowrap|([[batting average|BA]]}}}}/[[On-base percentage|OBP]]/{{nowrap|{{nowrap|[[Slugging|SLG]])}}"}}, perhaps using a template for convenience. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 04:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Create {{t|Slashed}} perhaps? [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 04:50, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::I was apprehensive before when it was more limited to advanced stats coverage, but ''slashed'' is now in mainstream sources, e.g. [https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/story/2025-05-13/ucla-baseball#:~:text=slashed%20.466/.577/.970 LA Times], [https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45527551/shohei-ohtani-pitches-hits-game-first-23#:~:text=slashed%20.277/.379/.585 ESPN] —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Those are passing mentions though, which seem pretty common and routine in mainstream sources. Is there any [[WP:SIGCOV|in-depth coverage]] about the statistic itself that can be used to flesh out a standalone article? [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 05:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I was only establishing that its usage is common.  They weren't for establishing notability beyond a glossary entry. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::But above you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball&diff=prev&oldid=1295986817 asked] {{tqq|Is there enough info for its own standalone page?}} LOL. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 05:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I was asking a question there.  But the sources I presented were a response to spelling out "(BA/OBP/SLG)", not a proposal to make it a standalone. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I think we should provide clear definitions of listed numbers for general readers who don't ordinarily read baseball news articles. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 06:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Agreed, this aligns with [[WP:MTAU]]: {{tq2|Strive to make each part of every article as understandable as possible to the widest audience of readers who are likely to be interested in that material.}} [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 07:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Are there examples from books on how they introduce slash lines to the reader?  Otherwise, it might be best to first introduce those terms w/o a slash line, and then  later mention can combine them in a slash line e.g. {{tqq|As a rookie, Smith had a .250 [[batting average]] (BA) with a .325 [[on-base percentage]] (OBP) and .400 [[slugging percentage]] (SLG) ... He was an All-Star in 2020, when he had a BA/OBP/SLG [[slash line]] of .290/.380/.480.}} —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 08:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::{{yo|Bagumba}} In [https://books.google.com/books?id=BM2rDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT38&dq=%22slash+line%22+baseball&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyiJW_6viNAxX9IUQIHXCVJNY4ChDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=%22slash%20line%22%20baseball&f=false this book] about the [[1995 Cleveland Indians]], there's a series of a few pages with slash line statistics using various filters and conditions, with some commentary for each one. One of my initial thoughts is that the material may be better suited for the '95 Indians page rather than a general slash line page, but YMMV which is why I'm mentioning it here. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 16:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I think the suggestion from Bagumba above makes the most sense... I've just seen a lot more of this useage in baseball bios in the last year by a few editors in particular without any attempt to explain what the numbers mean. Would be good if we could devise a standard that can be used for this type of thing. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 16:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::A template akin to {{t|Win-loss record}} comes to mind; it automates a hover option with an appropriate explanation. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 16:42, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hovers don't work on mobile, which is what over half the readers use. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 01:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::That aligns with my preference not to use "slash" as a verb, and to provide an explanation on first use of terms. So start with explaining batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging percentage, and then later uses can be a bit more concise. In Bagumba's example, I think "slash line" is redundant and so could be dropped, but I appreciate that using the term would help introduce it to editors unfamiliar with it. (In written text, I don't think there's a significant advantage in using "slash line" over "BA/OBP/SLG", but I appreciate when spoken it's easier.) [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 02:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::''Slash line'' might be avoidable in some cases, but for a player with a longer career, using ''slash line'' or ''slashed'' will read more naturally for those familiar with baseball than constantly repeating "BA/OBP/SLG" (esp. since the project continues to exclude career stats tables for convenient reference). —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 02:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)