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==Merges found at WP:RM==
I've just found this place after numerous history mergers and blocked mergers found at [[WP:RM]].  In many cases the histories need to be merged but cannot because of the block compression.  The solution I worked out there was to move the history (to me merged in) to [[foo/history]] and note it with {{tl|Pending merge}}.  When the issue is resolved it can easily be merged into its parent.  That template also adds the [[:Category:Pending merge]] for easy location. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 18:52, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== History merge requests by non-admins ==

It seems that there's a bit of a gap in our cut-and-paste repair system.  Currently, there isn't any place for a non-admin to request a history merger.  Consequently, I propose that this page be modified to look something like [[User:TenOfAllTrades/temp2|this]].  It creates a section at the top for non-admins to list merge requests, and retains the section for merges that can't go ahead due to the database problems.  Comments? --[[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]] <small>([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades|contrib]])</small> 17:41, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:[[WP:RM]] deals with quite a lot of these things. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 17:52, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

::Should the instructions on that page be amended to reflect that, then? Perhaps a section on that page specifically for repair of cut-and-pastes...? --[[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]] <small>([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades|contrib]])</small> 18:47, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I have updated the instructions at [[WP:RM]] to mention this page. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]]

==Better name==

Y'all feel free to come up with a shorter/snappier name for this page, as well as a WP: shortcut for it. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 02:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

:"Wikipedia:Botched moves"? &mdash;[[User:BorgHunter|BorgHunter]] ([[User_talk:BorgHunter|talk]]) 17:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
:Or, "Wikipedia:Move repair shop" or simply "Wikipedia:Move repair". Short, snappy. &mdash;[[User:BorgHunter|BorgHunter]] ([[User_talk:BorgHunter|talk]]) 20:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
::[[WP:SPLICE]] sounds good. &mdash; <b><i>[[User:Freakofnurture/|<span style="color: #006000;" title="User:Freakofnurture">F<small>REAK OF</small> N<small>UR<sub>x</sub>TURE</small></span>]]</i> <small>(<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} <span style="color: #006000;" title="User talk:Freakofnurture">TALK</span>]</span>)</small></b> <small>20:08, Dec. 27, 2005</small>
:::Good one. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 23:19, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I like ''Wikipedia:Repair shop'' a lot (nice, BorgHunter). How about that? [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 15:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

:Well, I've never liked the full name of this page, but I personally think it should be named something more in line with similar admin notice pages. Might I propose that it be renamed to [[Wikipedia:Requested history merges]]? That seems to conform to the names of [[WP:RM]], [[WP:RfPP]], etc., and I think it may be easier for others to understand and remember. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 22:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:: But... ''Wikipedia:Repair shop'' is just so ''fun''. Please? [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 05:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Is there a point for this anymore? ==

Since there's a criteria for speedy deletion (csd-g6) that can be used to fix cut and paste moves and a specific template {{tl|db-g6}} to be used on those pages, isn't this redundant? Same goes for [[Template:capmv]] and the related category [[:Category:Cut-and-paste moves to be undone]] (that's currently listed in cfd at [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 January 15]]). - [[User:Bobet|Bobet]] 20:02, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
*Interesting point... somewhat to my surprise, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Cut_and_paste_move_repair_holding_pen&action=history history] shows recent activity. I don't think we need a "pen" for the articles, just a way of notifying admins where the cut-n-pastes are. On the one hand I believe they're relatively rare. On the other, not all admins know how to fix a c'n'p. Still, I would prefer ''one'' way of notifying people, rather than two, hence this page is arguably more useful than the cat. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<span style="color:orange;">&gt;|&lt;</span>]] 22:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== Clarity needed ==

the instruction at [[WP:SPLICE]] is confusing. it says 
#Place '''<nowiki>{{capmv| NAME OF PAGE THE ARTICLE WAS CUT FROM }}</nowiki>''' on the '''talk page''' of the article which has been moved.
#List the article on this page, under the "List of cut-and-page moves to be redone properly" section.
article which has been moved: that means original location of article or new one? where must i place '''<nowiki>{{capmv| NAME OF PAGE THE ARTICLE WAS CUT FROM }}</nowiki>'''? on the talk page at new location? <small>''this is the original msg. on my talkpage by [[User:Pournami]] - I'm equally confused ;)'' --[[User:Gurubrahma|Gurubrahma]] 07:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC) </small>


: now, instruction 1. reads as:
#Place '''<nowiki>{{capmv| NAME OF PAGE THE ARTICLE WAS CUT FROM }}</nowiki>''' on the '''talk page''' at the '''new location''' of the article which has been moved, i.e. on the '''talk page''' of the article where '''pasting''' was done. 

:i believe that's the answer to my question. i hope i'm right abt the wording. --[[User:Pournami|Pournami]] 12:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of Template:Capmv ==

[[Template:Capmv]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Capmv]]. Thank you.<!-- Tfdnotice --> - [[User:Bobet|Bobet]] 21:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== why ==

how can cut and paste moves be recognized? are there still people who move articles by cut and paste? why do pages get moved by cut and paste? are there still help pages that need helping? what are the pages that get listed at splice? earlier capmoved pages or fresh ones? inspite of move function and help pages directing users to move the right way?--[[User:Pournami|Pournami]] 09:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:Some pages get cut and paste moved since (I think) you need a certain amount of edits to get a move button and it's a lot easier than listing it at [[WP:RM]] in those cases. The place I've most often come upon a cut and paste move is [[Special:Shortpages]], since a lot of people blank the original page after a cut and paste move (if someone's unfamiliar with a move, they're often unfamiliar with deletion too). - [[User:Bobet|Bobet]] 01:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

who can list pages at splice and why should they do so, and when? what should they do? -[[User:Pournami|Pournami]] 09:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:Anyone can list pages at splice. I've changed the instructions after you posted that question so if you still think they're not clear, please tell.

== the problem ==
i stumbled on splice while looking for help in fixing a move which i thought was wrongly done (and was unnecessary and unjustifiable to boot, but that's another matter altogether). what i saw was:

#Place '''<nowiki>{{capmv| NAME OF PAGE THE ARTICLE WAS CUT FROM }}</nowiki>''' on the '''talk page''' of the article which has been moved.
#List the article on this page, under the "List of cut-and-page moves to be redone properly" section.

i was confused. it would have been better if only it had been instead:

#Place '''{{[[Template:Capmv|capmv]]| NAME OF PAGE THE ARTICLE WAS CUT FROM }}''' on the '''talk page''' at the '''new location''' of the article which has been moved, i.e. on the '''talk page''' of the article where '''pasting''' was done. 
#List the article on this page, under the "List of cut-and-page moves to be redone properly" section.

the instruction should have been (1)clearly stating where the template is to be used or (2)at least pointing to where the user can see what the template does. 

if capmv template is going to be deleted, and users instructed to use db-histmerge template instead, at the time of necessary rewriting of the page, just to keep in mind. 

also, dont know if this is right place to ask, is everything ok with the move tool? does it work alright? -[[User:Pournami|Pournami]]

So change the text, then :D. &mdash; '''''[[User:Freakofnurture/|<span style="color: #006000;" title="User:Freakofnurture">F<small>REAK OF</small> N<small>UR<sub>x</sub>TURE</small></span>]]'' <small>(<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} <span style="color: #006000;" title="User talk:Freakofnurture">TALK</span>]</span>)</small>''' <small>15:14, Feb. 6, 2006</small>

== template:capmv ==

[[template:capmv]] was deleted. what am I supposed to use now? 22:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
:{{tl|db-histmerge}}. If PageA has been cut-and-paste-moved to PageB, and PageB is the good title, use 
::<nowiki>{{db-histmerge|PageA}}</nowiki> 
:on PageB. [[User:Kusma|Kusma]] [[User_talk:Kusma|(討論)]] 22:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

== Listing new requests at the bottom of the section ==
Why do we have people do this? It'd be easier to read if they were added to the top. Can we change it to that, or is there something I'm missing? [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 14:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:That would be my personal preference, makes it easier to follow. I'd actually like it if fourth-level headers would be added to each request too, perhaps a title such as ====[[Copiedfrom]] &rarr; [[Copiedto]]====. I think that would make it a lot easier to know what has to be done, as some of these requests I have to read through four or five times only to find out that's just a really simple, standard cnp mv from one article to another. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 22:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:: Sounds good, I agree (add new to top, with fourth-level headers). I have the same trouble trying to figure out what should go where. Shall we add that into the instructions? [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 05:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Category ==

It seems strange that this page is uncategorized. Does anyone know the proper category in which this page belongs to? --<span style="background:gold;">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">S</span>]][[User:Siva1979|iva1979]]</span>[[User talk:Siva1979|<sup style="background:yellow;">Talk to me</sup>]] 20:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:I have just categorized this page. Please state any objections you may have to my talk page. Any comments about this would be appreciated as well. --<span style="background:gold;">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">S</span>]][[User:Siva1979|iva1979]]</span>[[User talk:Siva1979|<sup style="background:yellow;">Talk to me</sup>]] 21:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Looks good! [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 23:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Archive ==

Do we really need an archive for this page? It seems to me that the [[Special:Log/move|move log]] and the [[Special:Log/delete|deletion log]] would be everything that one would need to determine what had happened. If one wants to know who's contributing here, then this page's history'll do just fine... it just seems like another unneccesary step to me that could be removed. Any thoughts? (Oh, and by the way: I'd still love to see this called the repair shop: it's so much nicer and succinct-er &mdash; I used to have to search for ages trying to find this place.) [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 17:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:I started the archive last month since the list was getting longer than the recommended page size and there was no reason not to archive. I don't really care about its existence either way, but your comment about the move log and deletion log showing everything is sort of misleading, since you'd have to know the title the page was moved from in order to figure out what had happened (the move log doesn't show anything for the target page, the deletion log shows it was deleted and restored). Previously the old entries were just removed without a comment (ie. the completed requests section didn't exist), but putting them in an archive now doesn't seem like it takes much effort or hurts in the sense of disclosure. - [[User:Bobet|Bobet]] 17:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
:: Whoops... silliness on my part. Instead of move log, I should've said the page's history, which does have that information in it. The deletion log was just for the disclosure aspect of it. You're right that it doesn't hurt, but it just doesn't seem to provide anything that those logs don't already. You know, not to multiply entities beyond necessity and all that. I dunno, I was just thinking that keeping this simple might be fine. (So, how about that name change?) [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] [[User talk:Snoutwood|(talk)]] 17:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Oops, I seem to have missed this. About the name change: sure, the name isn't great, but I don't think that's a problem, since no one's going to end up here from anywhere but a link. No matter what you name it, no one's going to guess it, or even know that a page like this exists without finding a link to it from somewhere. If you still want to rename it though, go ahead.
:::About the archive: I figured it would be easier to find fixed cut and paste moves there, for whatever reason, since one could conceivably come up with some use for it (like if something was messed up and needs to be reverted, and whatlinkshere will show that it was cut and paste moved. And since this page is used only for complex cases, one could easily miss one of several pages where the histories were messeed with). I'm sure that's not the most convincing example, but I don't see why it would be better to not have the page. - [[User:Bobet|Bobet]] 20:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:I don't think the page needs to be moved, but a redirect from [[Wikipedia:Repair shop]] ''probably'' wouldn't hurt anything. On the other hand, I think the archive is superfluous and would support dismantling it, and maybe putting a note on the page about removing finished/declined requests after, say, 30 days? -- ''[[User:Nae'blis|nae]]'[[User_talk:Nae'blis|blis]]'' 20:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Agreed about the archive, and about adding a statement about removing old requests. I've made the ''Wikipedia:Repair shop'' redirect (even though that should be the main page, harumph, harumph). [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] 20:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

:: O.K., as there hasn't been continued opposition to removing the archive and putting up a old-requests-will-be-deleted-after-30-days notice, I'm going to put that up and remove the archive. Bobet, if you (or anyone else for that matter) still feel that we should keep the archive please speak up and I we can undelete the archive, remove the notice, and talk about it some more. My feelings are the same: all of the info's logged in the history of the relevant pages, the move and deletion logs, and in this page's history, and that people generally won't be looking here for information about the page move - all of the discussion leading up to the moves here are elsewhere, and anything that's been done here can be found in the logs. [[User:Snoutwood|Kyle Barbour]] 19:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:Pending merge]] ==

Is [[Template:Pending merge]] needed at all? As far as I can see, it is no longer used. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 01:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
: I've redirected it to [[Template:Db-histmerge]]. [[User:Snoutwood|Snoutwood]] 03:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Get rid of db-histmerge? ==

Personally, I don't like {{tl|db-histmerge}}, as it's easier for me to just watch this page, which allows me to easily spot new entries. Additionally, that template cats items into the morass of CSD, which I don't think is the best place to put the more complicated issues like history merges, as I doubt that they get dealt with very well there. Does anyone else feel this way? My idea is to change db-histmerge to a page with instructions on how to list something here, and then change the instructions here and on [[WP:HISTMERGE]] and have this be the sole place for listing these issues, rather than having, as we do at the moment, here,  CSD, and [[:Category:History merge for speedy deletion]] (which is only two months old and which I didn't know about until I looking into the code of db-histmerge). What do people think? I'm aware that this need to be discussed in other places as well, but I wanted to get some opinions from here. [[User:Snoutwood|Kyle Barbour]] 20:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

: I've nominated db-histmerge for deletion &mdash; please post your thoughts, opinions, and comments [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 February 19#Template:db-histmerge|here]]. [[User:Snoutwood|Kyle Barbour]] 21:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== Name ==

Is there an easier name for this? It is a bit of a mouthful and at first glance hard to understand. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 18:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:I usually use the shortcut [[WP:SPLICE]].  I imagine we could perhaps remove the words "holding pen" from the title. --[[User:After Midnight|After Midnight]] <sup><small>[[User talk:After Midnight|0001]]</small></sup> 11:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed redesign of [[Template:Db-histmerge]] ==

See [[Template talk:Db-histmerge#Proposed redesign]].  —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 01:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== This page is unfamiliar... ==

I thought most complex history merges were requested at [[WP:AN/I]], and I've been around for a while.  I think that it would be a good idea to add links to the WP:AN / WP:AN/I header directed towards this page.  Otherwise, I doubt many people will find it.  --[[User talk:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 12:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== What to do when this page gets too long? ==
*What to do when [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen]] gets too long (currently it is 88 kilobytes long)?:
*#Delete the oldest {{done}} and {{notdone}} requests?
*#Delete all the {{done}} and {{notdone}} requests?
*#Move them to an archive page like when a talk page gets too long?
*#Move [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen]] to [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen/Archive 1]] or similar, to take the history with the entries, and then create a new [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen]] with no entries?
*#Or what?
*:[[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think in the past (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Cut_and_paste_move_repair_holding_pen&diff=142918385&oldid=142917199]), the older requests seem to have been just removed off the page. And I just noticed [[#Archive]] above which has some discussion previously. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 14:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
*Revisiting this, I think it would be useful to archive this page, especially now that you're listing all merges&mdash;not just the merges that are requested here. I'm going to start listing the other merges I do as well. I think you do more merges than anyone, and between the two of us, most will end up listed here.
*:In the past, most merges were not listed, so an archive wouldn't be that useful, but now we should start archiving past requests. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 04:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
*But which shall I do out of #3 and #4? With my user talk page I do #4, to keep the history with the old messages. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
**I prefer #4 because it takes the history with it. I think that's the more old fashioned way to archive, and I still prefer it. However, most archives now seem to be type #3. You're by far the most active contributer here, so I think it should be your choice. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 19:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
*{{done}} #4. Also, the recent [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 44#Page deletion revision limit|incident with page 'Apple']] shows a case for not letting too many edits accumulate on one page name. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

==Sections==
*I have split the {{done}} section and the {{notdone}} section into monthly subsections. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 10:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== template ==

Is there a template like [[Template:RMlink]] to standardize a request for a splice? [[Special:Contributions/70.51.9.124|70.51.9.124]] ([[User talk:70.51.9.124|talk]]) 15:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

== Mount Royal ==

A splice repair was done at [[Mount Royal]] , [[Mount Royal, Montreal]] and [[Mount Royal (disambiguation)]], however the new title is not clearly the better one... all the incoming links to the new dab page location [[Mount Royal]] are for Mount Royal Montreal, while Mount Royal Montreal has no incoming links virtually. Shouldn't the histmerge have reverted the pagenames to what they were before the C&P? [[Special:Contributions/76.66.198.171|76.66.198.171]] ([[User talk:76.66.198.171|talk]]) 20:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

== Cut and paste page swaps ==
*Shouldn't c&p page swaps (when multiple pages are exchanged with each other, instead of just moving one page around) be brought to the attention of [[WP:RM]]? Since this sort of thing is supposed to be discussed at WP:RM, from what I read about what it does, it seems like a circumvention of consensus building to correct the page history and not restore the status quo anti-bellum (if a recent swap) and note it there, or if a non-recent swap note it there to anyway. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.198.171|76.66.198.171]] ([[User talk:76.66.198.171|talk]]) 11:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
*I found a <nowiki>{{db-histmerge}}</nowiki> request to histmerge [[Mount Royal]] to [[Mount Royal, Montreal]]. Examination showed that there had been a cut-&-paste move, so I histmerged them. Whether the resulting combination should be in [[Mount Royal]] or in [[Mount Royal, Montreal]] can be resolved separately in [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]], surely? [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 11:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
** Ah, but at WP:RM it lists that only administrators can move pages around when they are not ''simple redirects'' or redlinks. If such a move is done here, surely that circumvents the community process established at WP:RM. If people could just cut-and-paste swap and then have a histmerge request done, then people could get around finding consensus for the move in the first place. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.198.171|76.66.198.171]] ([[User talk:76.66.198.171|talk]]) 07:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

**In the case of Mount Royal, for a period between 2001 and 2006, the term [[Mount Royal, Montreal]] properly referred to [[Mount Royal, Quebec]], because at that time, the town became a borough of Montreal, before regaining independence. Since parts of cities usually have ''xxx, city'', this would indicate that's the name of the former borough. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.198.171|76.66.198.171]] ([[User talk:76.66.198.171|talk]]) 08:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== Requirement to list on this page? ==
*A while ago I was browsing through [[CAT:CSD]] and found a db-histmerge tag, which I took care of.  However, I didn't list it here, because I thought this page was only for histmerge ''requests''. But now I see that some of the ones listed on this page are marked "requested by db-histmerge".  Is there a reason to list those here?--[[User:Aervanath|Aervanath]] ([[User talk:Aervanath|talk]]) 08:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
*I thought that users and administrators would benefit from keeping a record of all history repairs. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 07:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
**I see. So, sort of like [[WP:RM]], then, recommended but not required?--[[User:Aervanath|Aervanath]] ([[User talk:Aervanath|talk]]) 14:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

== What is the minimum participation required? ==

I'm posting here as this talk page seems to be more active than [[Wikipedia talk:How to fix cut-and-paste moves]]. Can cut-and-paste fixes be done independently by an admin, or they '''must''' be tagged first and then the subsequent processes follow? [[User:Jay|Jay]] ([[User talk:Jay|talk]]) 10:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:There are no required procedures to follow, any admin can do it. This page is for non-admins to post requests for fixes, but admins obviously don't need to.--[[User:Aervanath|Aervanath]] ([[User talk:Aervanath|talk]]) 10:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

== question ==

Would I be accurate in saying that this is project that is best suited to admins?  I'd be interested in helping out here a bit from time to time, but as I understand the project page, it appears that most of the abilities that are required would only be available to administrators.  How accurate am I in that understanding? <small>(originally posted at [[WP:CUTPASTE]] talk)</small> — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:100% accurate, I'm afraid.  In order to perform the history merges required, you need to be able to delete and restore pages.  Since only admins can do that, it unfortunately restricts the ability of helpful editors like yourself to aid in the process.--[[User:Aervanath|Aervanath]] ([[User talk:Aervanath|talk]]) 15:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

::I'll be asking for some education in this in the very near future.  Thanks for the reply. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== eyes please ==

Would one of you kind folks take a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ched_Davis#Usefulness this thread] please.  I deleted the redirect, and moved the article from user space to article space: [[Devendra Prabhudesai]].  If there are any history issues I've missed, or I've done this improperly, could you please check my efforts and let me know.  Thanks. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Wondering how this works. ==

If I edited an article at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Charizard]] and then C+P'ed the info to [[Charizard]], could you move the history from the Wikiproject into Charizard? <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Bws2cool|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>([[User talk:Bws2cool#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Bws2cool|Edits]])</sup> 00:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

:Simple answer is yes, so long as [[Charizard]] does not already exist at the time of the cut & paste or if it existed has not changed, apart from the cut and paste, since article [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/Charizard]] was started. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 21:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== The seconds before db-histmerge ==

I reading now for quite some time trough the Wikipedia, but i could not find a solution yet.

I understand (I think) about the db-histmerge tag. When there was a cut & paste move it seems to be perfect. But what to do, when the could & paste move has not yet happened. OK, there is the plain move. But only, if the target is not yet there. In that case we can ask an admin to do so. But doesn#t the history of the target gets overridden by the source history?

The case I have (yes, I know now, bad style) is that there was that article (and still is) [[Superluminescent diode]]. This one has been copied (by cut&paste) to [[User:Lmmrs/Superluminescent diode]] - with an note in the original article. It has been completely rewritten and should now be moved back to [[Superluminescent diode]] merging the history of [[Superluminescent diode]] and [[User:Lmmrs/Superluminescent diode]].

How this is done? Thanks for your kind help.
-- [[User:Lmmrs|lmmrs]] ([[User talk:Lmmrs|talk]]) 16:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
*{{done}} [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 23:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Who does history-merging except me? ==
* 29 entries have appeared in [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]] in the last few hours. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 22:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
** They mostly seem to all be there because of this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACork_City_F.C._squad&action=historysubmit&diff=421652948&oldid=417218677] [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 22:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
***Sorry I did not spot this, but 22:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC) was nearly midnight here in England and I wanted to go to bed. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 06:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
*: And to answer your question, I do some merges, but I mostly work off of [[wp:WPHM]]. I haven't done more than a couple of the [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]] guys. [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 22:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
* In the last several days I have had to cope with several per day requests to histmerge userspace drafts to their articles. The queue (in [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]]) built up massively when 2 days ago I had to miss a day's computer work because of [[flu]]. I have caught up with the backlog, but I would appreciate some help. See the records in [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen#Completed requests]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 06:22, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
* See [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen]]: I seem to have done all the history-merging recorded there since at least 1 Feb 2012. Some help would be appreciated. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 09:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

===Who does history-merging except me? (2)===
*[[:Category:Candidates for history merging]] now has 10 entries. It is 11.10 pm here in England and I want to go to bed. Some help would please be appreciated with the history-merging. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 22:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
* I have done 8 - 1 appears to have no page to merge from. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 00:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
* Thanks. (If the missed one was [[Wikpedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Sandbox]] to [[Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit]]: "Wikpedia" was a typo for "Wikipedia".) [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:Yes that was the one - I did not spot the spelling mistake. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 10:35, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

==[[User:Maad Dogg 97]]==
{{user|Maad Dogg 97}} seems to be a repeated cut-and-paste-r, since I just posted several pages for repair just now, and several more pages that had quick reversions I did not post. There's atleast 10 of them in his history. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.252|76.65.128.252]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.252|talk]]) 01:40, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

== Proposed change to Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves ==

Change made and reverted pending discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:How to fix cut-and-paste moves#New section: How to handle the left-over redirect]]. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])/([[Special:Emailuser/davidwr|e-mail]])</small></small> 16:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

==Proposed move==
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The result of the proposal was '''moved'''. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

[[:Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen]] → {{no redirect|Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen}} – I count at least two compound adjective (cut-and-paste move, move-repair holding pen). This is an ugly title; why not find an entirely different description? <s>Repair holding pen for cut-and-paste moves</s> Requested cut-and-paste-move repairs comes to mind. <small>''Relisted''. [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)</small> [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 10:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it's not an article, and using spaces makes it much easier to remember then how many ever hyphens or dashes you need for this thing, or which are hyphens and which are dashes, and having to type dashes in the first place. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.222|76.65.128.222]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.222|talk]]) 04:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
::There is autocomplete for that. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 04:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
:::How does that help people who turn off Javascript? -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.222|76.65.128.222]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.222|talk]]) 06:01, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
::::''and redirects''. I'd be impressed if anyone got it right on the first try in its current state anyway. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 13:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – making the title interpretable by people who don't already know what it's about seems like a good thing.  [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 03:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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== Who except me does history-merging? ==
* [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]] has accumulated 13 members overnight. Who except me does history-merging? It is 6.15 am here in England. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
* I have now done 5 of them  [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 09:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
* I have now done all of them, except one which I rejected [[WP:Parallel histories]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 15:20, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
**In the past week I've done a few that I found in [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]]. Still a beginner at it though. [[User:Mark Arsten|Mark Arsten]] ([[User talk:Mark Arsten|talk]]) 15:27, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
* 10 more have appeared in [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 20:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
* There are now 21 there. They all or most seem to ask for '''Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/''X''''' to be merged to '''''X'''''. It may be that one user is submitting many or all of them. I would appreciate some help here. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
* I have finished them. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 13:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

:"Who except you does history merging" - I've been wondering that myself.  Thanks for all you do.  [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 19:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

== Proposed improvements to [[Template:Histmerge]] ==

Discuss at [[Wikipedia talk:How to fix cut-and-paste moves#Proposed details= parameter for Template:Histmerge]]. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]])</small></small> 19:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

== merging from Articles for Creation? ==

I found [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/list of horror films released in 2013.]], which has some text that could be merged to {{la|List of horror films of 2013}}. Apart from my postponing of G13 deletion and adding a comment, they don't have parallel histories: the main-space article was started after the AfC draft was abandoned. The regular [[Wikipedia:Merging#How_to_merge|merging instructions]] don't seem to apply, because AfC drafts don't have an associated talk page, and are likely to eventually be deleted under G13. Should I ask for a history merge? &mdash;[[User_talk:Rybec|<span style="color: black;"><span style="background:#ccccff">rybec</span></span>]] 04:43, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

==An edit needed?==
*[[Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen]] near its start contains this:
:::"''Currently the only technical limitation is that category and file description pages can't be moved.''".
::Category pages can now be moved, and what is a file description page? Images can be renamed now. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 08:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

== Requested move 4 March 2015 ==
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'''Moved to EdJohnston's proposal''', per consensus. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

[[:Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen]] → {{no redirect|Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repair requests}} – ...or [[Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repairs]] or something similar. The current page name is too long, not to mention too difficult to find.  Presumably, the page was originally named like this becuase there used to be a technical limitation due to which [[WP:HISTMERGE|cut-and-paste-moves]] which could not be repaired. The situation has changed now. [[User:SD0001|SD0001]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 10:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' the project page has shortcuts, such as [[WP:SPLICE]], and is linked to from the repair request template {{tl|db-histmerge}} -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.200.101|70.51.200.101]] ([[User talk:70.51.200.101|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 06:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*PINGing regular and recent repairers {{ping|Anthony Appleyard|Anne Delong|Keith D|EdJohnston}} -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.200.101|70.51.200.101]] ([[User talk:70.51.200.101|talk]]) 06:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
*"Cut and paste" is incorrect terminology in the first place - these are mostly all "copy-paste" problems, since the original is left behind.  Since these are mostly asked for by the "Histmerge" template, maybe something like "Requested history merges" or "History merge requests" would do.  I don't find the current page hard to find, though.  I just type WP:Cut and the autocomplete kicks in.&mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 06:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
**Most of the repair jobs that I get are cut-and-paste (from A to B). A few times someone later reverts A to text, thus changing it into a copy-and-paste. Some are genuine copy-and-pastes from A to B, leaving text at A, with later edit histories in both A and B, and I usually reject the repair request as [[WP:Parallel histories]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 08:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
*I only seek to have the page name ''shorter''. Perhaps [[Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repairs]] is okay? I have created a redirect for it. Anyway, I don't understand the logic behind "holding pen". What does that mean? [[User:SD0001|SD0001]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 13:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Retain the traditional name. No reason to erase history at the whim of one editor. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 18:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
**Doesn't sound like a good reason to me. [[User:SD0001|SD0001]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 20:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Tradition is important. We do not want to live in a whitewashed world. The natural and organic names of entities must be retained, lest their history be erased. The metaphor is colourful. We must have colour. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 21:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
*If the name is to be changed, I propose [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]]. This parallels 'Request for comment', 'Requests for page protection' and maybe a dozen other pages. Having a self-explanatory name will be helpful for those unfamiliar with the issue. Under the current system these merges are routine and any admin can do them. Even if a merge is rejected (due to parallel histories) the merge can be declined quickly. So there is no longer any need for a 'holding pen.' [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 20:01, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::<small>{{Ping|EdJohnston}} Do you mean [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]]? [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)</small>
:::Thank you, I fixed my proposal. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 20:40, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::::I went ahead an created it as a redirect to this page. At the least, it's an accurate and valid search term. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{TakeNote}} I have had already created a redirect from [[Wikipedia:Requested history merges]]. [[User:SD0001|SD0001]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 13:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support EdJohnston's proposal'''.  This page is meant for posting requests for histmerges, not just cut-and-paste situations; Anne Delong has a good point.  Moving it isn't erasing history; we're retaining everything except [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=650811168 this page creation] from a few days ago.  This is a rather obscure page, so moving it won't surprise many people; it's not a very organic or natural name; we're not whitewashing anything by moving it to a more descriptive title; and there aren't any naming conventions that would be relevant.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 04:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support EdJohnston's proposal'''. I was looking for this page as possible place to post a cut & paste move but ended up just doing a quick revert as I caught it quick enough and using a technical request. Seems like the proposed name is both shorter and matches the purpose of the page better. [[User:PaleAqua|PaleAqua]] ([[User talk:PaleAqua|talk]]) 19:36, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support EdJohnston's proposal''', sounds like a much more self-explanatory name. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color:green;">87</span>]] 14:06, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Strong support for EdJohnston's proposal''' per common sense. [[User:Mdrnpndr|Mdrnpndr]] ([[User talk:Mdrnpndr|talk]]) 17:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
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== Archive 0 ==

As seen from Arhive 1, archiving for the page was started only in February 2008. It was noted in [[/Archive 1#What to do when this page gets too long?|an earlier discussion]] that there is no archival value for the requests posted on this page before that, since only requests posted on this page were recorded. However, it is obvious that that holds true even now. Only a few, selected admins make a record of their histmerges on this page (Anthony Appleyard, Anne Delong, EdJohnston, and probably a few more). So, I have been pondering over the idea of resurrecting all the removed requests from the page history of Archive 1, to create an older archive. I think Archive 0 should be an appropriate name, as it is too big to be accommodated on Archive 1 itself. The present version is at [[User talk:103.6.156.167/sandbox]]. (I haven't completed it yet.) I am of the opinion that this archive has ''more'' archival value than any of the existing 21 because, with due respect to Anthony Appleyard's tireless work, they all look like userspace logs since 95% of the entries are by the same admin. [[Special:Contributions/103.6.156.167|103.6.156.167]] ([[User talk:103.6.156.167|talk]]) 06:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

== Request ==
Moved to [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge#Queried requests]]. [[Special:Contributions/103.6.156.167|103.6.156.167]] ([[User talk:103.6.156.167|talk]]) 06:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

== Requested move 6 May 2015 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' {{RMnac}} [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 22:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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[[:Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]] → {{no redirect|Wikipedia:Requested history merges}} – Sorry for bringing up another RM within less than a month of the earlier one being closed. But I feel that the existing page name is a bit too botched. The word "for" is unnecessary.  Also, "history merges" rather than "history merge" sounds much better to the ears. This name was proposed by Anne Delong in the above RM discussion as well as by AmiDaniel in [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for history merge/Archive 1#Better name|an older discussion]]. It is easy to see from the above RM that a consensus existed for a change of name, but nobody seems to have paid much attention to the exact name proposed by EdJohnston. The new name is a parallel to [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]], which is more closely connected to this page than the ones using ''Requests for xxxx'' naming scheme, as well to a number of other pages like [[Wikipedia:Requested templates]] and [[Wikipedia:Requested articles]]. Also, almost all of the pages using that naming scheme would sound odd if changed ''Requested xxxx'' format, but this page is a clear exception. <small>--'''Relisted.''' [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 07:35, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</small> [[Special:Contributions/103.6.156.167|103.6.156.167]] ([[User talk:103.6.156.167|talk]]) 19:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Sounds correct to me. Compare to [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]] or [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] which both use a "Wikipedia:'''A''' for '''B'''" format. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 13:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – The 'Requests for history merge' title sounds more natural. It is a list of requests that were made. The most practical response to each request might not actually be a merge. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 03:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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== Page history deleted ==

The history of [[Haiǁom people]] was deleted, probably under the name [[Haiǁom dialect ()]] or maybe [[ǂAkhoe dialect ()]]. Could someone restore the edit history to [[Haiǁom people]]? The deleted articles could stay deleted, or they could be restored and then moved to [[Haiǁom people]] without a redirect. 

Thanks, — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 18:00, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Kwamikagami}} All I can find at either of those titles is redirect edits. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color:green;">87</span>]] 05:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
::{{yo|Graham87}} It's probably been recreated, then, perhaps by moving another rd over it. Could you check 
:::[[Haiǁom dialect]], [[Haiǁom language]], [[ǂĀkhoe dialect]], [[Haiǁom people]], [[ǂAkhoe dialect]]? (it's less likely to be one of the other rds). — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 17:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

== Taeyebaar and Young Pakistan Flag Movement ==

Looking at the history of [[Young Pakistan Flag Movement]], [[User:Taeyebaar|Taeyebaar]] did in fact do a cut-and-paste move from [[Younge Pakistan Flag Movement]] even though he thinks that he didn't and removed the notice from his talk page in [[Special:Diff/709912442]]. If not Taeyebaar, then who actually did the cut-and-paste move? [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 01:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:It was in 2009 and has now been fixed. What does it matter who did it? [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 13:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Page movers proposal ==

It has been suggested that the to-be-created Page mover group be granted the ability to perform history merges through [[Special:MergeHistory]]. Participate in the discussion at [[WT:Page_mover#Discussion:_Include_MergeHistory_tool]]. [[Special:Contributions/103.6.159.86|103.6.159.86]] ([[User talk:103.6.159.86|talk]]) 10:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

== Discussion at VPI ==

I've started a discussion [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Create_a_.22history_merger.22_user_group|here]] regarding the creation of a new "history merger" user right, which may be of interest to those watching this page. [[User:Omni Flames|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Segoe UI; text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #CC4E5C">Omni Flames</span>]] <sup>'''[[User_talk:Omni Flames|<span style="color:#00B88A;">let's talk about it</span>]]'''</sup> 07:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

== Total page removal  ==

Hello Wikipedia Team 

I created an article named Sober on Tuxedos (band) and it was deleted. The problem is that it still appears on facebook and I don't want that to happen. 

If you please have a way to make it disappear from facebook, I would appreciate it.

Thank you in advance 

[[User:Mad00lini|Mad00lini]] ([[User talk:Mad00lini|talk]]) 05:40, 24 June 2016 (UTC) [[User:Mad00lini|Mad00lini]] ([[User talk:Mad00lini|talk]]) 05:40, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Series of Userpage history merges ==

Hi there! I have a lot of experience with page moves and other moves, but not history merges and figured I'd ask here. I just realized that a couple of the articles that I created in 2009 in my userspace, I moved with cut-and-paste merges instead of proper history merges. I've listed them all below:
*[[User:Nomader/Donkey Kong]] to [[List of Donkey Kong video games]]
*[[User:Nomader/Wario]] to [[List of Wario video games]]
Let me know if I should just tag the lists and thanks so much! [[User:Nomader|'''<span style="color: #8B4513">Nomader</span>''']] ([[User talk:Nomader|<span style="color: #8B4513">talk</span>]]) 14:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
:Figured it out and taking care of it, feel free to ignore this cmt. [[User:Nomader|'''<span style="color: #8B4513">Nomader</span>''']] ([[User talk:Nomader|<span style="color: #8B4513">talk</span>]]) 17:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

== Not yet a cut and paste job ==

I'm trying to merge [[Draft:17776]] and [[17776]], and a history merge is probably needed, I suppose. However, there's yet to be a cut and paste job moving the contents of the draft to the mainspace, but generally, the merge would pretty much replace most of the information on the mainspace article with the draft. The histories don't overlap at all in terms of time. The draft's entire history comes before the mainspace's entire history, and the draft has only one author: myself. I'm not really sure what to do with the situation. Is there any advice about it? ~Cheers, [[User:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Ten</span>]][[User talk:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:MediumSeaGreen;">Ton</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TenTonParasol|<span style="color:LightGreen;">Parasol</span>]] 15:48, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
*{{done}} at 21:30, 12 July 2017‎ by [[User:Ferret]] (logged here by [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) at 21:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC))

== Cheque clearing and Clearing house (finance) history issue ==

Due to a copy and paste merge from [[Cheque clearing]] to [[Clearing house (finance)]] followed by an article move from '''Clearing house (finance)''' back to '''Cheque clearing''', most of the edit history now in '''Cheque clearing''' belongs to the article '''Clearing house (finance)''' and the '''Cheque clearing''' article has lost its edit history. I believe this needs an administrator to resolve, but I am not sure how to specify the request. Would anyone be able to assist with this please? [[User:Whizz40|Whizz40]] ([[User talk:Whizz40|talk]]) 21:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=als.wikipedia.org&platform=desktop&agent=bot&start=2017-02&end=2018-01&pages=IP-Adressehttps://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=als.wikipedia.org&platform=desktop&agent=bot&start=2017-02&end=2018-01&pages=IP-Adresse
*{{done}} at about 04:36, 14 October 2017 ([[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 21:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC))

== Ron Stallworth ==

Hi, it appears I screwed up when creating a page for [[Ron Stallworth]], the retired police officer who infiltrated the KKK.  There was already a page there for a football player who had played two seasons and for whom there was very little information available. I made a judgment call that the cop Ron Stallworth was way more notable, based on the volumes of material that have been written about him, and I "moved" the football player to [[Ron Stallworth (American football)]] - except I didn't really move him, it turns out, not properly, at least. I did what I now know is called a "cut-n-paste" - apparently that's a big no-no - and then I proceeded to create a new page for the cop from scratch. I don't know how to fix this. Please help! Thanks. [[User:Amsgearing|Amsgearing]] ([[User talk:Amsgearing|talk]]) 01:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
*{{ping|Amsgearing}} I did the history-split/merge. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 20:59, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, I saw that. Thank you very much! [[User:Amsgearing|Amsgearing]] ([[User talk:Amsgearing|talk]]) 11:43, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

== History merge (Monomelic amyotrophy) ==

I revised an article using my sandbox and need to carry out a History Merge. I first asked in the '''Teahouse''', [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#History_merge_(Monomelic_amyotrophy)]].  I am reposting here hopefully more clearly than I was in the '''Teahouse''', with a short reference to this on your '''project page'''.  I posted my intended cut & paste thievery in the '''Teahouse''' post.  I should should have posted this here in the first place.  I'm using a sort of a "gorilla in a china shop" approach, my version of being '''bold''' I s'pose. 

I made a Peer Review request for completed a revision detailed below.  But History Merge is my first issue.

:HISTORY -- WHY A HISTORY MERGE --  MONOMELIC AMYOTROPHY
*A few weeks ago I posted {Dubious} and made a couple of other edits to [[Monomelic amyotrophy]].
*A MED reviewer made some cuts including my revisions.  The article was now a mere STUB
*Sad day. Lamentations and wailing. Then time to get to work.
*I made a few more revisions but big needed edits became too complicated.  
*On [10:51, 16 May 2018] I cut and pasted the scrap of an article into my [[user:GeeBee60/sandbox|user sandbox (MMA revision)]] so that I could revise at my leisure.  
::The revised article is more than twice as big in size and more than triple in references. I got good help for the article but am stumbling through all the WP ins and outs.  When I started the sandbox project I saved frequently w/o explanation.  
*In time I started getting edit help in my sandbox. After a couple of weeks it was ready.
*In addition to me, two other editors made substantial contributions in the sandbox. Three(?) others did in the existing page, that may disappear. This is detailed in the PR request.
*I cluelessly submitted the revision as a new article (it was ''so easy'') -- REJECTED.  
*I posted a '''Teahouse''' query a few  days ago [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#feedback on revisions]]. 
*Then I posted a message in [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Monomelic_amyotrophy]].  They have been helpful and [[user:WhatamIdoing]] said talk to an administrator about Histmerge.  
*As I blundered through the Labyrinths of Inner Wikipedia I posted messages and queries in several locations.
*The wordy Peer Review drama version is [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Monomelic_amyotrophy/archive1]]

I want to ''correctly'' transplant the revision from my sandbox.  I read the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Fixing cut-and-paste moves]]. '''BE BOLD''' does not apply -- I am being '''CAUTIOUS'''.  Thank you for your help. [[User:GeeBee60|GeeBee60]] ([[User talk:GeeBee60|talk]]) 00:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

== Who does history merging? ==
*Who does history merging except me? Some help would be welcome when the job becomes high-volume. See [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 12:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
**G'day, I've done a couple, and will try to keep an eye out to see if I can help. Still getting used to the tools, though. Regards, [[User:AustralianRupert|AustralianRupert]] ([[User talk:AustralianRupert|talk]]) 12:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
*{{ping|AustralianRupert}} Thanks. If you do any history-merges, please log them in [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 13:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
**Yes, will do. Regards, [[User:AustralianRupert|AustralianRupert]] ([[User talk:AustralianRupert|talk]]) 09:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
:{{ping|Anthony Appleyard}} I think you shouldn't be the only one that does history merges, and that there should be more people to help out. Is there a way to request for extra help? --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 01:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
*{{ping|AustralianRupert}} Only to put an occasional moan here or in [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:29, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:G'day, what's up? Regards, [[User:AustralianRupert|AustralianRupert]] ([[User talk:AustralianRupert|talk]]) 06:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
::*I do history merges when I come across them while working in Draft space, but I don't usually check the list  here because Anthony is so efficient and the backlogs elsewhere are huge.  However, everyone needs a day off now and then!  {{U|Anthony Appleyard}} and {{U|AustralianRupert}}, edit summaries are another way to get help; I have the project page on my watchlist, and there are likely others who do as well. At UAA if there's a backlog editors add to their edit summaries "27 more to do" or "big backlog today" or something like that. It takes less time than posting on a noticeboard and is more targeted, and may draw in help on busy days.&mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 14:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
*{{ping|AustralianRupert|Anne Delong}} Where are the lists of "the backlogs elsewhere"? [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 15:09, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:*Well, there are about 400 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pending_AfC_submissions drafts waiting for review at AfC]. There are many items listed at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure]]. There are 14,000 unreviewed pages at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed the New Page Patrol]. Some admin items are in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Administrative_backlog Category:Administrative backlog] and some are mentioned at the top of [[WP:AN]].&mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 17:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
*{{ping|AustralianRupert|Anne Delong|MrLinkinPark333}} Who does history merging except me? I have just done 11 history-merges. (Please log all performed history-merges in [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]].) [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 20:52, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
**{{u|Anthony Appleyard}}, you are likely the administrator that does the most history merges. I typically refer anyone who asks my advice on them to you. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 21:00, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
::I see that asking for more help hasn't worked. What do you think would work better? (Note: I'm not an administrator). --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 21:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
*I've added the [[:Category:Candidates for history merging|category]] to my list of cats to keep an eye on. Hopefully I can help out now and again. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
*Xaosflux does history merges. <sup>cinco de </sup>[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 21:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
*{{yo|Anthony Appleyard}} I'm actually pretty surprised to see this thread. You are well known to most of us as the histmerge guy on the project&mdash;you ''are'' basically the only admin I'm aware of who specializes in histmerges. Nothing but respect for that. But I always got the impression that you were always on top of it because it was something you liked working on. I assume other admins feel the same way. You're a volunteer, like the rest of us. There's no actual pressure on you to handle all these requests. There's plenty of us hanging around AN at all times. If the backlog is ever too much for you, just drop a note and request some additional help. It's not an issue. As for "the backlogs elsewhere", see [[Template:Admin dashboard]]. There are constantly standing administrative backlogs ''everywhere''. I've spent 8 straight hours just responding to open threads at ANI ''alone'', only to have the backlog there at the same level a few days later. So, if you ever need a break from histmerges, there is plenty of other work for you to do, and you can kick ''this'' backlog to other administrators whenever you want. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 23:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
**Sorry, I haven't been very active in this area recently as my Wikipedia time has been greatly reduced following the birth of my fourth child, which is meant I have had to prioritise my time a bit more. Co-ord duties with MILHIST have taken up most of my time over the past few months. I will try to remember to look in on the category occasionally,  though. Regards, [[User:AustralianRupert|AustralianRupert]] ([[User talk:AustralianRupert|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
*{{ping|AustralianRupert|Anne Delong|MrLinkinPark333}} Thanks. Sorry. Some time I will have to write a fullscale instruction page on how to history-merge, including about handling talk pages and pre-existing deleted edits. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 05:04, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
*Admin SPI clerks are a good resource to recruit for history merges if there's a backlog of pretty simple requests. I fix cut-and-paste moves often by sockpuppets trying to circumvent editing restrictions, and case merges are just simple history merges except we're not very careful about parallel histories (doesn't matter for SPI archives). I rarely look at the log, though, I guess like everyone I assume Anthony's on it. I'll watchlist the page and take a look more often. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 11:19, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
*I haven't done any history merges for a while (just got busy with other projects), but I am quite willing to do some if there's a backlog.  I see that there isn't one right now.  Thanks, [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] for clearing out the queue.  This page is on my watchlist, too. If a message is posted here while there are still requests in the queue, I will help out if I am around that day.&mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 13:23, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Anne Delong}} Another backlog that would be most needed to go through would be the [[:Category:Possible_cut-and-paste_moves]] while keeping an eye on the other histmerges. You don't need to apologize to me {{ping|Anthony Appleyard}} because you haven't done anything wrong. I'm glad that others are volunteering to help when needed and that was what you wanted in the first place :) --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 19:36, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:::[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]], I noticed that backlog myself this morning and cleared one that just needed some merge templates on the talk pages.  I'll try to work on it from time to time.&mdash;[[User:Anne Delong|Anne Delong]] ([[User talk:Anne Delong|talk]]) 20:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: Awesome. One more backlog that's being worked one. --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 21:01, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
*{{ping|MrLinkinPark333|Anne Delong|AustralianRupert|Ivanvector}} And remember to log in [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]] all history-merges which are not logged elsewhere. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 04:48, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
*:Happy to, but do we log history merges on that page that haven't been requested? Or is the page's deletion log sufficient? [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 13:06, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
* Would there be any objection if I added the histmerge category back to [[Template:CSD/Subcategories]]? I used to action histmerge requests occasionally while going through [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]], but it seems that last year history merges [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:CSD/Subcategories&diff=773037854&oldid=772715639 were removed] from the list of CSD subcategories at the top of the category page by {{u|Train2104}}. When it was removed there, I stopped noticing when there were active requests that needed action. I think it was originally removed because histmerges aren't an explicitly enumerated criterion at [[WP:CSD]], but don't forget that nearly all histmerges require use of [[WP:G6]] speedy deletion at some point in the process. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 20:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
*I have just done 11 history merges when it was already late evening here by British time. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Two-page history merge requests ==

The page currently says {{tq|For relatively simple cases where history merge is required, the destination page should be tagged with the {{tl|histmerge}} template. This page should be used for requesting very complex merges, merges involving more than two pages, history merges of deleted pages, or when the use of the template is otherwise inadequate or where its usage would cause problems.}}  However, in practice, it seems that simple two-page history merges are listed here as well; there are also plenty of requests tagged "(asked for by {{tl|histmerge}})" that could have started here.  What is the expected practice? [[User:power~enwiki|power~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Power~enwiki|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Power~enwiki|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 03:29, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

== Template documentation out of date? ==

The documentation for {{tl|histmerge}} says in complex cases to "leave a description of the problem under the "List of cut-and-page moves to be redone properly" section" here. There's no such section; should that be "New requests" instead? It also describes {{tl|histmerge}} as 'this speedy delete tag'. In the case of [[Project Harvest Moon]] there are two articles now and afterwards there should still be two, just with different histories. That makes me wonder if the template is the wrong way to request it (even with a {{para|description}}). [[WP:Requests for history merge]] only mentions the template as an option. What's the preferred way to go about this? &rsaquo;&nbsp;[[User:Mortee|<span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span>]] [[User talk:Mortee|<sub>talk</sub>]] 16:02, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
:I decided to go ahead with using the template - request {{diff2|857261613|here}}. I hope that's right. Still wonder if the documentation could be a little clearer. It also says "'''details''' - if present, will add the text ''This is a complex history merge request'' and a collapsed show/hide box listing the details." Happily, that's not true. It adds "The requestor{{sic}} left this comment:". I could change that bit myself, but I'm not comfortable changing documentation for a process I'm not more familiar with, at least not without checking first. &rsaquo;&nbsp;[[User:Mortee|<span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span>]] [[User talk:Mortee|<sub>talk</sub>]] 16:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

== Help would be useful ==

*People or bots have started sending big batches of history-merge requests. Currently [[:Category:Candidates for history merging]] contains 20 requests which all have arrived overnight (by British time). Who apart from me does history-merging? [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 07:02, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:I do it occasionally when noticing a need. I don't use the category. DferDaisy made many recent requests. {{ping|DferDaisy}} Users are allowed to copy-paste their own sandboxes to articles per [[WP:NOATT]] if there are no other substantial contributors. This is a common practice and does not require history merge. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:15, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:Their sandbox history may have revisions they do ''not'' want in the article history so I would advice against history merge without a user request. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
::I was following the instructions at [[WP:STALE]]: "if an actual draft version of a copy-pasted article, redirect or request a history merge". You could change the instruction to remove the "or" option. [[User:DferDaisy|DferDaisy]] ([[User talk:DferDaisy|talk]]) 23:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:::I have specified which option to choose: "if an actual draft version of a [[Wikipedia:Move#Fixing cut and paste moves|copy-pasted]] article, redirect if it was copied by the [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Where attribution is not needed|sole contributor]], otherwise [[WP:RFHM|request a history merge]]".[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:User_pages&diff=869696219&oldid=866910960] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

== Reversing Roe ==

Hi. I've created the article for a movie called [[Reversing Roe]]. However, another user had "created" it before as a redirect and now the article does not appear on my list of articles created. Is it possible to make it appear on my list of articles created? Regards.--[[User:SirEdimon|SirEdimon]] ([[User talk:SirEdimon|talk]]) 20:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

== Blocked user using IPs to request history merges/restorations ==

Beginning by pinging editors I previously raised this concern with: {{Ping|Anthony Appleyard}}, {{Ping|Deepfriedokra}}, {{Ping|Bbb23}}

It has caught my attention that there are various IPs making requests to have article histories merged or restored that are tethered to the blocked user [[User:Winterysteppe]].

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.21.181.186 This IP] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.109.57.105 This IP] made requests through September 2 and September 4 for the edit history merge/restoration of edits made by [[User:Hayholt]], [[User:Artix Kreiger]] and [[User:TheGreenTower]]. Hayholt and Kreiger were confirmed conencted to Winterysteppe. TheGreenTower was not, but given their reason for being banned and the IP including their edit history with the other confirmed Winterysteppe's, I wouldn't consider it unfair to assume that they are affiliated. However, I also discovered [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.21.188.113 this IP] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.50.165.69 this IP] today that request edits merges/restorations for articles that restored edits made by GreenTower.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.242.57.164 This IP] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.21.197.110 this IP] made requests on September 10, 11 and 22 for the edit history merge/restoration of edits made by [[User:Faromics]] and [[user:Motizun]], also confirmed socks of Winterysteppe. It's very clear to me it is more than a coincidence and the IP requests being made need to be examined to see if it's Winterysteppe having their sockpuppet account histories restored. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 04:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

== History merge of earlier draft and more recent article ==

I think some aspects of [[Draft:Najwa Zebian]] could be used to improve [[Najwa Zebian]]. If someone does this, it would be appropriate to acknowledge the earlier draft, but the draft would usually be subject to deletion, so the edit history might not be available in the future. Is history merging appropriate in this situation, or should I edit the newer article and just name the draft creator in the edit summary? [[User:Jacknstock|Jack N. Stock]] ([[User talk:Jacknstock|talk]]) 02:47, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
: {{Reply to|Jacknstock}} Feel free to marge any content from the draft to the article. Due to the overlapping history, a history merge cannot be done, so please provide attribution in the edit summary. You can then redirect the draft to the article with a {{tl|R from merge}} so that the history is kept. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 05:43, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

== Need help untangling article histories ([[Smile (Beach Boys album)]] / [[The Smile Sessions]]) ==

I'm a bit confused about how to handle this, so I'll try to make it as clear as possible.

* '''February 2003''' — "Smile (The Beach Boys album)" is created [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Wilson_Presents_Smile&oldid=696344]
* '''December 2005''' — "Smile (The Beach Boys album)" page title is moved to "Smile (Brian Wilson album)" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Wilson_Presents_Smile&oldid=30612153]
* '''January 2007''' — "Smile (The Beach Boys album)" is created for a second time. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Smile_Sessions&oldid=103695838] Most of the content from "Smile (Brian Wilson album)" was split to this new article.
* '''December 2012''' — "Smile (The Beach Boys album)" page title is moved to "The Smile Sessions". [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Smile_Sessions&oldid=526858540]
* '''April 2013''' — "Smile (The Beach Boys album)" is created for a third time. Most of the content from "The Smile Sessions" was split to this new article. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smile_(Beach_Boys_album)&oldid=550188281]

From what I can tell, it seems like the first (or only?) step to untangling this would be to merge everything prior to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Smile_Sessions&oldid=550188332 this diff] into the history of [[Smile (Beach Boys album)]]. Is this correct? --[[User:ILIL|ili]] ([[User talk:ILIL|talk]]) 14:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

== Advice requested at Talk:Roman diocese ==

I'm not sure if I should list this on the Project page; guessing not. Here's the situation: we're nearly done tidying up a draft page, and in a short while we intend to replace the article [[Roman diocese]] in a [[WP:TNT|TNT]] operation with this draft. So we are not yet in a situation where a HISTMERGE is necessary, and we're trying to work out the best strategy now, ahead of time, to avoid complicated disentanglement procedures afterward. What would be most helpful, is if you could give feedback at the discussion at [[Talk:Roman diocese#HISTMERGE issue]]. (I previously listed this at [[WP:AN]], and someone there said it would be better to come here with this.) Thanks in advance, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 09:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:Going to reply at the article's talk to avoid decentralizing the discussion. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 10:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

== Advice requested for [[Music Is the Weapon]] ==

I recently came across the strange case of [[Music Is the Weapon]] and [[Lazerism]]. There looked to be a string of moves around 4 April of this year and then a clear cut-and-paste on 30 September. Page history shows that in April 2020, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lazerism&oldid=949179851 this revision of Lazerism] is a copy-pasted version of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Music_Is_the_Weapon&oldid=948191645 this revision of Music Is the Weapon], so I think that's also a cut-and-paste. The September move is a basic cut-and-paste from Lazerism to Music is the Weapon per the edit summaries. I have next to no experience with histmerges and have no clue what the next step is. Any advice and/or recommended courses of action are appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Willsome429|'''<span style="color:#3366BB">Willsome</span><span style="color:#000000">4</span><span style="color:#CC2200">29</span>''']] ([[User talk:Willsome429|say hey]] or [[Special:Contributions/Willsome429|see my edits]]!) 03:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
:Bloody hell, copied and pasted in two different directions. Should be all set. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 08:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

== Purpose of this page ==

I am wondering as to the purpose of this page. For one admin, it's a place to put ''every'' histmerge performed, whether requested here or via {{t|histmerge}}. For others, it's a place to request "odd" histmerges in (what I assume would be) instances where a {{t|histmerge}} is insufficient to deal with the nuance (and/or they don't know that template exists). Personally, I think it should be used only for the latter; [[Special:Log/merge]] exists for the completed merges, and there's not really a need to write down the declined/removed {{t|histmerge}} requests on articles because they will be in the article's history. Interested to hear other viewpoints about potentially changing the overall scope of the page (i.e. "archive of requests" or "place to request"). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 22:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
: I agree with Primefac. I don't think there is a need to log history merges here. Let's just leave it for complex requests. Unless they are requested here, I don't add any that I perform (or decline), even ones that wouldn't be included in the merge log. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 08:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
*{{ping|Primefac|JJMC89}} What is to happen with logging history-merge and history-split requests that can't be performed with [[Special:MergeHistory]], and thus won't automatically be logged in [[Special:Log/merge]], but must be performed the old way by "''delete X, move Y to X, undelete X''" and/or similar such as deleting followed by selective undeleting? Currently we seem to be starting the logging again with a new single "accepted" list and a new single "rejected" list, which each [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_history_merge&oldid=999617106 currently] has one entry. But as time passes, these two lists will get longer and longer and will need to be split into monthly or seasonal or yearly segments - - - which is the system that I have been keeping running since August 2008 and now has 38 archives. I would prefer to keep the current/old system, with a change: "''do not log by hand history-merges which are performed using [[Special:MergeHistory]] and thus are automatically logged''". [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 13:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
*: Why do they need to be logged? I don't see any benefit to logging, and, as I said above, I don't do it. The completed/rejected requests can just be removed, similar to actioned RM/TR requests. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 03:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
*::I was actually thinking about this the other day, and agree that either we start keeping archives of RM/TR or we do like there and just remove them when complete; I think it makes more sense to just remove them unless there's some sort of discussion or contest, in which case it can sit for a week or something. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
*We need to decide whether or not to log rejected history-merge requests, and whether or not the reason for rejection is (as often) only [[WP:Parallel histories]]. Currently with a rejection, I delete the "please history-merge" template call from the affected page with an edit comment which tells the requesting user to follow a link to the histmerge log entry for the rejection, where he can read the reason for the rejection. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 13:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
*: Put the reason in the edit summary when you remove the template. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 03:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
*Each entry in [[Special:Log/merge]] only seems to contain "name of admin who did the merge; names of the 2 pages involved; date/time of newest edit moved". It also needs an option to add extra information such as may be seen in many entries in the archives of page [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 11:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
*: It already has such an option. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 03:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

== Question about History Merge ==

Hi, I've been working on a rewrite of [[Étienne de Perier]] in the wake of an edit war. After running most of it through the talk page, I've created a temporary talk subpage, [[Talk:Étienne de Perier/Temp]], to manage the rewrite of the most contested part of the article. (It seemed a better way to manage it than using the talk page itself as the participants in edit war would agree to working directly on the main article.) I figure once consensus text is agreed upon, I can cut and paste that into the main article (replacing the currently messed up sections) and can move the temp page into the talk page's archive, but should I seek a history merge so that attributions for edits made to develop the final consensus text are included in the article history? Or is it better to put a {{tl|Copied}} banner on the talk page pointing to the temp page or the archive? —[[User:Tcr25|Carter]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:The easiest thing to do is
:*Copy the text from [[Talk:Étienne de Perier/Temp]] to [[Étienne de Perier]], with an edit summary to the [[Special:PermaLink]] of whichever diff is the last before the copy
:*Add a {{t|copied}} tag to the talk page
:There isn't any reason to move anything anywhere, and a histmerge would be (to be completely honest) a pain in the arse because of the parallel histories at the start. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 16:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Primefac}}! I figured it would be a difficult histmerge and I'm happy to use {{tl|copied}}. I just wanted to make sure it was being done correctly. —[[User:Tcr25|Carter]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

== Dogmatic [[User:Primefac]] ==

[[User:GiantSnowman]] history-merged [[Draft:Alejandro Balde]] to [[Alejandro Balde]]. But [[User:Primefac]] declined many same cases. [[User:Sawol|Sawol]] ([[User talk:Sawol|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:That's because it shouldn't have been done. [[Special:PermaLink/1042840502]] is fundamentally different than the "next" diff [[Special:PermaLink/1044362415]], and so there was no copy/paste pagemove. It's not worth the time and effort to re-split these pages, but they are two separate histories. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 14:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::No, it was fine. I declined to merge [[Alejandro Baldé]] because that ''was'' a parallel history. Also {{ping|Primefac}} your 'remove junk' edit also happened to remove a bunch of sourced prose, which I have restored. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 17:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Teasing apart which diffs where where before a histmerge occured is difficult, but by my reckoning the sourced prose was only in the draft and never in the article, which again makes me wonder why it was merged because that implies there was never a copy/paste. If I misread that then my bad, but that's why I made my initial statement. You're right in that I probably didn't need to restore the non-prose version (that's on me), I think I was just surprised that you'd choose the "original" over the "copied" version (further leading me to think that it wasn't an actual copy/paste). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 17:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::I support [[User:GiantSnowman]] and [[User:Anthony Appleyard]]. [[User:Anthony Appleyard]] have delayed same case, and then [[User:Primefac]] declined. I hope [[User:Primefac]] will rest from history-merging. [[User:Sawol|Sawol]] ([[User talk:Sawol|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::In fairness to you Primefac I should have cleaned top after performing the merge, which I usually do. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 18:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Copy/Paste move warning? ==

Is there a standard user talk page warning for copy paste moves? I know {{tl|uw-copying}}, but I wasn't sure  if there was a more specific one. [[Ada Twist, Scientist (TV series)]] and [[Karma's World]] look to be two such copy/paste moves in a row by [[User:Agosn]] from their respective Draft pages. -[[User:2pou|2pou]] ([[User talk:2pou|talk]]) 20:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:It makes sense now that I see it, but {{t|Uw-c&pmove}} is probably what you're looking for. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 20:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

== Appropriate action for drafts created as copy-paste moves of articles nominated for deletion ==

What would be the appropriate action for cases where a draft is created as a copy-paste move of an article which was subsequently deleted? Should the history of the original article be merged into the draft? Should the draft be nominated at MfD? For examples, I have noticed {{u|MSport1005}} has in a few instances done this. Two such cases I found are still in draftspace but were deleted at AFD: [[Draft:Alex Connor]] deleted at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Connor]] and [[Draft:Levente Révész]] deleted at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levente Révész]]. It would seem a minor issue but these drafts have been nominated at AFC (in the case of Alex Connor) and have even been added back into mainspace missing their page history (as was the case with [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Dufek (2nd nomination)]], where a ''second'' such copy paste draft was deleted along with the article). [[User:A7V2|A7V2]] ([[User talk:A7V2|talk]]) 10:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
:If it's a straight-up copy/paste, and the article is deleted ''shortly'' thereafter, then I think it would be reasonable to do a temporary-undelete-and-histmerge to preserve attribution. The undeletion and re-deletion would be noted in the page logs so it would be fairly clear what happened. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 10:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
::But what if it wasn't shortly after? I was under the impression that it was necessary for attribution purposes, especially considering that some of these drafts can, and have been, moved into mainspace again and will lack their original history. Also, I wasn't aware that history merging requires undeletion. Does it then cause a problem if, for example, you want to merge (as an example) the original [[Joshua Dufek]] and the second one, had it not been deleted at the second AfD? Does the old history even exist anywhere anymore if it was recreated? [[User:A7V2|A7V2]] ([[User talk:A7V2|talk]]) 23:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
:::{{tq|But what if it wasn't shortly after?}} Then you run into the possibility of parallel histories, though in theory all that would be needed would be the revisions before the copy/paste. Honestly, I don't really feel like any blanket statement will cover all cases, as they really do need to be dealt with as they pop up.
:::{{tq|I wasn't aware that history merging requires undeletion}} - it does if the source page has been deleted ([[Special:MergeHistory]] only finds live revisions).
:::Re: Dufek - probably; the last revision before deletion and the first after recreation are identical save for the addition of a single reference, so restoration of the old diffs would likely have been appropriate. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:35, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
: The user should be cautioned against such copying, per the last item of [[WP:Guide to deletion#You may edit the article during the discussion]] (shortcut [[WP:EDITATAFD]]). [[User:Flatscan|Flatscan]] ([[User talk:Flatscan|talk]]) 05:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
::And per [[WP:COPYWITHIN]]. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 08:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Thankyou for your help. I have put a note on their talk page. [[User:A7V2|A7V2]] ([[User talk:A7V2|talk]]) 23:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)