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Welcome to the '''[[Metalworking]] WikiProject!''' We're a WikiProject dedicated to improving the coverage of Metalworking on the English Wikipedia, including materials, processes, techniques, equipment, and more. Feel free to contribute to this page, or [[WP:METALS#Contributors|add yourself to the list of contributors]] below. If you have any questions or suggestions about the project, make sure to see the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metalworking|Talk]] page.

Please make sure to follow all Wikipedia policies when contributing to the project, including [[WP:MOS]], [[WP:POV]], and [[WP:SOURCE]]. Thanks so much for helping out!

==What we're about==
===Scope===
Any articles in the [[:Category:Metalworking]] and its sub-categories fall within our scope, as well as any articles that pertain in a direct way to the subject of [[Metalworking]]. We also work closely with [[WP:METALS#Related projects|similar projects]] whose scopes frequently coincide with ours.

===Goals===
*To improve Wikipedia's coverage of metalworking by creating, expanding, and maintaining such articles.
*To provide guidelines and recommendations for articles within our scope.
*To serve as the central point of discussion for issues related to metalworking in Wikipedia.

===How you can help===
[[WP:BOLD|Be bold]] and contribute! Improve any articles you come across, look for articles to improve from our [http://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/cwb/bycat/Metalworking.html Cleanup listing], ask any of our regular [[WP:METALS#Contributors|contributors]], or check the [[WP:METALS#Work|Work]] section below for specific projects.

==Work==
<div style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; ">{{Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Metalworking articles by quality statistics}}</div>

There's always work of some sort to be done; if you can't find any particular projects here to interest you, peruse pages within the Metalworking category to look for improvements you can make, or check out the [http://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/cwb/bycat/Metalworking.html Cleanup listing] for articles that need improvement.

Feel free to add any tasks here that you think deserve the attention of the whole project; please sign using <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> and make sure to strikethrough or remove items as they are completed.

Keep in mind that if a machine exists for only one purpose or process, it's usually better to devote a section of the article for the process to the machine, rather than give the machine a separate article. If a complete, sourced article can be written about the machine, then by all means do so; this usually is not the case.

===Vital articles===
These are articles vital to the subject of metalworking; it would bolster the quality of Metalworking on Wikipedia significantly to bring them up to [[WP:FA|Featured article]] status.

* [[Metalworking]]
* [[Metalsmith]]
* [[Machining]]

===References and sources===
If you take a look at the categorical [http://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/cwb/bycat/Metalworking.html Cleanup listing], you'll see that the two biggest categories by a huge margin are "Articles needing additional references" and "Articles with unsourced statements." I feel like most of the content across these articles is fairly reliable, so adding references and verifying shouldn't be a particularly arduous task. If anyone has access to technical manuals or other kinds of reliable sources, it would be a huge benefit to the project, disproportionate to the effort required. I've begun working on this, I've got access to [[Auburn University|one of the best libraries]] in the southeastern US, but I lack the appropriate expertise to efficiently find the ''right'' texts. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 04:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
:I want to make it clear that I'm not impugning the value of unsourced contributions; on the contrary, I think very highly of much of the content covered by this project, unsourced or not. I'm not a deletionist, neither do I think that content should just come out of left field; but I do know that in [[metalworking]] in particular a lot of important information is just held as expert knowledge that's difficult to attach to a source. Add to that the tendency for technical manuals to be ''really'' dense and ... well, technical,  and it's obvious why metalworking has so much content with so little referencing. This may not be true of all subjects, but metalworking is an area where I think we are better off having experts add their knowledge and then others follow along later verifying and referencing. For what it's worth. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 05:13, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

:: I agree. And I feel that metalworking isn't alone regarding this theme—it holds true across various content areas in Wikipedia. It holds most strongly in industrial, commercial, and applied science areas, even more than in areas of pure science, academe, pop culture, and personal hobbies. So I'm glad to be a part of building areas like metalworking. It takes time, but it's a worthwhile pursuit... —&nbsp;[[User:Three-quarter-ten|¾-10]] 01:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


===Request for reassessment===
I just recently did a lot of rewrites and content-adding to [[Fixture (tool)]]. It was listed as stub-class, now I think it deserves a better qualification but I don't feel comfortable basically grading myself on my own work. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 23:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
:I've basically done exactly the same thing to [[Centerless grinding]]. I'd love for somebody to reassess it; I don't quite think it qualifies as Start class anymore. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 17:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

===Requested articles===
{{seealso|:Category talk:Machine tool builders|l1=List of requested machine tool builder articles}}
*The following three either need to be outline-style pages, containing lists of pages that fall within their purvue, or dedicated articles themselves; these, from what I understand, are the three major categories into which all modern metalworking processes fall. They may exist as different names, but I think it would greatly improve the cohesion of Metalworking as a subject on Wikipedia if they were to be standardized. <span class="nowrap">—<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b></span> 16:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
**<s>[[Forming (metalworking)]]</s>
***Done, but it still needs a fair amount of expansion and harmonization with the rest of Metalworking. <span class="nowrap">—<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b></span> 18:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
**[[Cutting (metalworking)]]
***Instead of starting an article I expanded this one - [[cutting]], this is my first non-trivial edit, feedback appreciated. [[User:Tealeafe|Tealeafe]] 02 August 2014
**[[Joining (metalworking)]]
*[[Stretching (metalworking)]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
*[[Transfer stamping]] / [[transfer die]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
*[[Setup (manufacturing)]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
*<s>[[Mill finishes]] or [[mill finish]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 21:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)</s>
** Done. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 14:41, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
*[[Soaking pit]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 01:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
*[[Re-heat furnace]] Walking beam and pusher types. AutoElectEngr 6 February 2022
*[[Stripper pin]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 00:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
*[[Side action]] / [[side pull]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 00:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
*[[Through hardening]] (currently a redirect) [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 00:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
*[[Core registration]] or [[registration (casting)]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 22:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
*[[Shakeout (casting)]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 00:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
*<s>[[Chemical milling]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 22:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)</s>
**<s>Done, but it needs to be merged with [[Industrial etching]]. <span class="nowrap">—<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b></span> 21:30, 10 February 2013 (UTC)</s>
***Also done, but the merge has been disputed. Input would be quite welcome, as it doesn't look like this dispute is going anywhere. [[Talk:Industrial etching#Merge with Chemical milling]] <span class="nowrap">—<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b></span> 19:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
*<s>[[Zinc plating]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 17:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</s>
*Straightening [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 18:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
** For some reason this linked to an article on a hip hop group. Have removed link. [[User:CSK45Kays|CSK45Kays]] ([[User talk:CSK45Kays|talk]]) 15:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
*[[ID grinding]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 20:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
**Redirected to [[Cylindrical grinder#Inside diameter grinding]] --[[User:Kharon|Kharon]] ([[User talk:Kharon|talk]]) 13:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*[[Flame hardening]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 13:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
*[[Mold wash]] & [[refractory wash]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 21:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
*[[Chill testing]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 00:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
**[http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Chill+testing:+the+effect+of+carbon+equivalent.+%28Part+2+of+3%29+%28Cast...-a010913875 A possible ref]
*[[Tooling]] (currently a redirect) [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 21:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
**I thought ''tooling'' was industry jargon for tool supply and management, which [[Tool management]] covers. What would a separate [[Tooling]] article cover? --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 14:10, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
*** The term "tooling" traditionally to machinists, and today to machinists, has been a [[mass noun]] referring ''en masse'' to a certain range of kinds of tools—all of the [[cutting tools]], tool holders, machine tool accessories, and [[tool and die]]–type equipment, such as fixtures and dies, used along with a machine tool itself to accomplish making a part. The machine tool itself is mentally separate, and the [[hand tool]]s in one's toolbox, like a screwdriver, are not included either—this notion of which tools are not mentally classed as "tooling" is the part that non-machinists might find non-intuitive. The term "[[tool management]]" was not commonly used decades ago, but the concept would have been readily recognized—keeping track of tooling, maintaining/replacing, in short, managing it. Back then such work was done with [[filing cabinet|files in cabinets]] and index cards in [[card catalog]]–type files (and in people's heads, although that's not a great method), and so forth—today it's done with software, but the concepts/goals are the same. I could see having a short separate article for tooling, simply for the reason of helping laypeople to understand what the word connotes, rather than for the sake of having a separate article, in itself. But I haven't thought it out extensively. I will give it some thought ... 
****It may not necessitate its own article, though there is enough science behind it to make one, [[Shrink Fitting]] is a process used on all spin tooling. It is definitely worth mentioning in a [[Tooling]] article. [[User:Will Prater|Will Prater]]
*****An IP editor [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tooling&diff=prev&oldid=537928013 recently changed] the [[Tooling]] page from a redirect to an in-text request for deletion, and he also went around to a couple of other articles removing '''See also''' links to [[Tool management]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Machining&diff=prev&oldid=537928156] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tool_bit&diff=prev&oldid=537928291]. I left a message on his [[User talk:212.254.23.69|talk page]] asking him about it, but I've never actually seen an IP editor respond. <span class="nowrap">—<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b></span> 20:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
*[[Shaping (metalworking)]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 14:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC) 
**I redirected this page to Forming (metalworking) as that's the more common term (as far as I know). Am new to Wikipedia so I hope that's ok. [[User:CSK45Kays|CSK45Kays]] ([[User talk:CSK45Kays|talk]]) 16:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
*<s>[[Diffusion bonding]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 14:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)</s>
**Done. <span class="nowrap">--<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b></span> 17:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
**[[Solid-state welding]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 17:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
*[[Gravity casting]] (see [[zinc aluminium]]) [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 19:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
*[[Direct chill casting]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 17:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
*[[Laser machining]] (currently a redirect) - Here's a good ref: [http://books.google.com/books?id=HeMwJetWUG4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22laser+machining%22&hl=en&ei=PVDbS5C4OY6sNuOWoHo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22laser%20machining%22&f=false]. [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 21:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
**Why does this need to be its own article? What would [[Laser machining]] cover that [[Laser cutting]] doesn't? --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 19:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
*[[Autogrinder]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 13:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
*<s>[[Milling (machining)]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 22:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)</s>
**Done. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 05:36, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
**<s>[[Gang milling]] needs to be merged into this after its creation. [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 22:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)</s>
***And done. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 01:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
*[[Cadillac gauge]]/[[Cadillac gage]] [[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 23:29, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
* [[Isothermal forging]], It exist in Spanish WP ( [[:es:Forjado isotérmico]] ). --[[User:Armando-Martin|Armando-Martin]] ([[User talk:Armando-Martin|talk]]) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
*[[Bull pin]].  Unclear (to me, who knows very little about metalworking) how a bull pin differs from a drift pin.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 12:19, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
**Its not a pin really in sense of Metalworking but belongs to the family of Awl -es like a [[Bradawl]]. It most likely got its name for its common use in construction working for lining up a steel element hanging from a crane tru the holes (bulls eye) they get connected on with screws or rivets. --[[User:Kharon|Kharon]] ([[User talk:Kharon|talk]]) 20:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

==Contributors==

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! User !! Current projects
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| [[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]] || I'm trying to restart this whole WikiProject. I do whatever work I can on articles, especially adding references to metallurgical manuals and materials textbooks. I rewrote this Project page, trying to give it a cleaner look while simultaneously updating the to-do lists and resources. --<b><i>[[User:kierkkadon|Kierkkadon]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:kierkkadon|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/kierkkadon|contribs]]</sup></b> 18:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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| [[User:Three-quarter-ten|¾-10]] || Article expansion. Referencing improvement. Watchlisting to revert vandalism. Making [[swarf|chips]]. Sharing knowledge. Content areas that I have a soft spot for include industrial history, [[machine tool]]s and [[machine tool builder]]s, reading the memoirs of "practical men", as they used to put it years ago (as well as practical women). But I also end up editing in other areas too ...  —&nbsp;[[User:Three-quarter-ten|¾-10]] 00:14, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
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| [[User:M Trigg-Hogarth]] || I am hoping to help with the surface engineering side of things but new to contributing to Wikipedia so please bear with me! February 2014  
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| [[User: JP1308|JP1308]] || I am a mechanical engineer and welding engineer and I hope I can support this project. [[User:JP1308|JP1308]] 09:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
|- [[User: RevolutionMary|RevolutionMary]] || I work for a professional association that serves the metal fabrication industry and publishes (metalfab) trade publications in the US & Canada. I'd like to help improve citation and source references for this project.  --<b><i>[[User:RevolutionMary]]</i><sup> [[User_talk:revolutionmary|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/revolutionmary|contribs]]</sup></b> 15:29 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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| [[User:Стиво|Стиво]] || I've worked with metal for a long time, and I'm hoping to contribute little bits and pieces over time to clean up and flesh out some of the more neglected topics. [[User:Стиво|Стиво]] ([[User talk:Стиво|talk]]) 07:10, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
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| [[User:Theahaiku]] || I've been working in the machinery department, mostly related to manufacturing. Been to several trade shows with lots of cutting machines, waterjets, CNCs, etc. I would love to contribute to this project. --[[User:Theahaiku|Theahaiku]] ([[User talk:Theahaiku|talk]]) 08:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
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| [[User:VulcanWikiEdit|Vulcan_]] || I am a blacksmith and member of the Guild of Artist Smiths of Belgium ([Https://smedersgilde.be Ambachtelijk Smedersgilde van België] or ASG). I was very surprised to see no mentinon of smithing on this page so I will see what I can do to rectify that  &mdash; [[User:VulcanWikiEdit|vulcan_]] ([[User talk:VulcanWikiEdit|talk]] [[Special:contributions/VulcanWikiEdit|contrib]]) 21:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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| [[User:AutoElectEngr|AutoElectEngr]] || I am a retired Electrical/Automation Engineer. I worked on the automation of Tandem Rolling Mills in Australia, especially the setup and control of the thickness, tension and force loops. I have written a draft article which I intend to add to Wikipedia soon. 6 November 2020. I published my notes on 24 Nov 2020. Since that page was made the main page for this topic, I have added a lot more information to it, and so believe it deserves a better quality and importance scales. Please check it out [[Tandem rolling mill| here]].
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| [[User:memerman69|memerman69]] || I am a general nerd, and have just recently finished my apprenticeship for forging and welding, I am saving up some money to open up my own shop. 
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| [[User:CSK45Kays|CSK45Kays]] || I work in a company that specializes in shot peening and would like to improve the various pages on shot peening and its applications.
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