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=== Jessica Liao ===    
{{rfcu box|case=Jessica Liao|filed=07:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)}}
* {{checkuser|Jessica Liao}}  
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* {{checkuser|RainingmySoul}}
* {{checkip|209.177.21.6}}
* {{checkip|69.117.20.128}}
* {{checkip|207.156.197.1}}

* '''Code letter:''' F
I'd first like to apologize for my complacency insofar as not recognizing Jessica's previous ban and use of sock-puppets previously. I would also like to acknowledge that I am not impartial in this matter, based on the fact that I had class with her during High School. (I also apologize in advance to admins for possible errors in this request)

I first recognized some IP address editing the same topic she edited and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:69.117.20.128&diff=109022341&oldid=107006671 commented on her talk page], she acknowledged her identity (specifically she referred to my first name which I had not yet disclosed to her) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrMacMan&diff=109243517&oldid=108559428 here]. She then also posted on my talk page that she was also making edits under a different IP [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrMacMan&diff=109849363&oldid=109243517 here]. So now we get to RainingmySoul -- its not absolutely clear that this is Jessica but Soul created [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E.M._Baker_Elementary_School&diff=cur&oldid=113672040 E.M. Baker Elem. Article here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_F._Kennedy_Elementary_School&diff=114195043&oldid=113673797 JFK Elem here], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saddle_Rock_Elementary_School&diff=prev&oldid=114195340 Saddle Rock here] all of which are elementary schools -- only later was the list updated by the 209. account [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Neck_School_District&diff=prev&oldid=113669926 here]. Soul had relatively few edits up until March 7th where the user made several new articles about local great neck schools.

There are many examples of the user having the same edits on multiple accounts/IPs but the clearest is the entire history of [[Special education]]. In these 2 strings of edits Jessica tries to form 'consensus' through using multiple IP's. Starting with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special_education&diff=113473890&oldid=113242930 this edit], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special_education&diff=next&oldid=113473890 revert], then the use of another IP [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special_education&diff=next&oldid=113478533 here]. There is another set of entries which is very strange as well. First 209 starts a new topic for discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Special_education&diff=prev&oldid=112881841 here] then strangely 69. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Special_education&diff=next&oldid=112888491 backs 209. up]... but they made a large mistake -- note the signature of that last link -- its the wrong talk page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Special_education&diff=next&oldid=115639615 changing the link]. In the meantime Soul steps in giving the same opinion as 209 and 69 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Special_education&diff=next&oldid=113666737 here] and then starts to have the same position as the IPs. Later 69. comes in to support Soul [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Special_education&diff=next&oldid=115824309 here]. 

Along with similar edits the accounts all share very similar humor and similar use of userboxes [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:209.177.21.6&diff=prev&oldid=116591588 209.x here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:69.117.20.128&diff=114210795&oldid=110242673 69. here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:207.156.197.1&diff=prev&oldid=115303421 207. here].
Jessica's original userboxes is found [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Edicius&diff=prev&oldid=116439499 here]. Jess's userbox is very very similar to the userbox of 209. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:209.177.21.6&diff=next&oldid=116592734 here]. 

Even today IP 209. has tried to delete the 'Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Jessica Liao' category off of the two users: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cutefuzziebear&diff=116594837&oldid=91208545 from a suspected user here] as well as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Edicius&diff=116594695&oldid=116439499 here]. 

209. has been blocked for violations of the 3RR [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:209.177.21.6&diff=112178945&oldid=112178068 here] and has deleted information off the Admin notice board [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=112176248 see here] and I asked for a block to be overturned [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:209.177.21.6&diff=next&oldid=113394917 here] -- but I did so to follow proper block procedure.

I'm sorry this is entirely so long, but I felt the need to clearly layout the links to the IPs and Username that I believe are being used as sockpuppets. After asking [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nishkid64&diff=116653496&oldid=116649048 an admin's opinion I respect] and he directed me here. I hope everything here is in order and if it is not please notify me on how I can include better/more material or further directions, thanks. [[User:MrMacMan|MrMacMan]] 07:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:{{clerknote}} Per '''F''', could you provide the diff of the community ban against {{user|Jessica Liao}}? Looking through her block log, it appears Jessica is not an indefinitely blocked user, so this criteria may not apply. '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 20:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
::Well the ban her use of sock-puppets [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Oahc Oahc], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Evets Evets], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Kyla Kyla], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Oh_behaVa Oh behaVa] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Xtremeruna21 Xtremeruna21]. Since Jessica has a history of using sock-puppets and has told me she is using 2 of the IP accounts on her own behalf I felt it should be reported. [[User:MrMacMan|MrMacMan]] 21:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:{{Unnecessary}}. [[Duck test]]. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 20:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
::Can you explain how the [[Duck test]] applies? The article doesn't specifically mention how this would be used on wikipedia. Moreover she [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrMacMan&diff=109243517&oldid=108559428 acknowledged her identity and gave my first name correctly] prior to me posting it online. I don't understand how she could have found my name unless she was Jessica Liao. Then she later also revealed she used [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrMacMan&diff=next&oldid=109243517 another IP address to make edits as well]. All of the users have made topics on the same articles, when one account isn't editing an article another has the same views to backup the other identities. If there is anyway I can show the necessity for this checkuser I would be glad for another comment to help this process be correct. [[User:MrMacMan|MrMacMan]] 21:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:What you've done is shown it unnecessary; you have enough evidence without a checkuser. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 21:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
::So I guess... is there a next step or do I have to ask for a block/'some action' somewhere else? (I guess I don't know what exactly 'unnecessary' means in terms of a checkuser -- if it means that I've proven it otherwise or it means that I've not followed some procedure and it can't be done.) But I hope that it's my latter thought. Thanks. [[User:MrMacMan|MrMacMan]] 21:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I just told you exactly what "unnecessary" means: you have enough evidence wihtout a checkuser. Am I missing some subtlety here? --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 22:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm really... I'm just really dense... if I have enough evidence... does that mean the sockpuppet is going to be blocked? [[User:MrMacMan|MrMacMan]] 23:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Not by me; see above: ''In most cases, any block or other action based on the outcome will not be taken by the checkuser-people or the clerks.'' You'll need to hunt down an uninvolved admin to help you out with this. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 23:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)



=== Jessica Liao ===    
* {{checkuser|Jessica Liao}}  
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* {{checkuser|Kyla}}
* {{checkuser|Oahc}}
* {{checkuser|Oh behaVa}}
* {{checkuser|Xtremeruna21}}
* {{checkuser|Evets}}
* {{checkuser|Enitsirhc}}
* {{checkip|204.168.120.178}}

[[WP:RFI]] report from {{userlinks|Jane8888}}, who claims to be Jessica's cousin, reporting Jessica using multiple accounts (see RFI if the full details are needed). A lot of them do follow the same pattern of requesting talk pages to be deleted. If they stopped editing then I'd have probably left it, but some recent edits are coming out of some of the accounts, so I think it's worth checking this report out. [[User:Petros471|Petros471]] 11:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Confirmed}}. Does appear to be the same user, though something smells a bit fishy here. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:Essjay|<span style="color: #7b68ee;">'''Essjay'''</span>]] <span style="color: #7b68ee;">(<small>[[User talk:Essjay|<span style="color: #7b68ee;">Talk</span>]] • [[User:Essjay/Contact|<span style="color: #7b68ee;">Connect</span>]]</small>)</span></span> 08:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


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