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=== Leyasu ===
*{{checkuser|Leyasu}} banned user
*{{checkuser|Cronodevir}}
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=72873811]

'''Code B'''

[[User:Leyasu]] was perm banned banned from Wikipedia back in July; since then (as earlier cases reflect below) he has returned with a frequency of IPs to resume the activity he was perm banned for. [[User:Cronodevir]] has been making edits identical to Leyasu's, i.e., changing band genres in articles to "gothic-doom", "gothic-doom-metal", or "symphonic metal". Compare:

[[User:86.132.130.138]] edits: (blocked indefinitely as a [[User:Leyasu]] sockpuppet [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:86.132.130.138])
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diabolique_%28band%29&diff=81514814&oldid=81392720]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moonspell&diff=prev&oldid=81514843]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crematory&diff=prev&oldid=81514910]

[[User:Cronodevir]] edits:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diabolique_%28band%29&diff=prev&oldid=80361460]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moonspell&diff=prev&oldid=80361568]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crematory&diff=prev&oldid=80361415]

In addition, the writing style of [[User:Cronodevir]] is quite similar to Leyasu, for example, egregiously accusing other editors of pushing NPOV in articles [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Ahbash&diff=prev&oldid=39936781]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Ahbash&diff=prev&oldid=39644937]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Ahbash&diff=prev&oldid=39349851] [[User:86.143.125.20]] - a very similar IP to the Leyasu sockpuppet above - also removed the "suspected sockpuppet" tag from [[User:Cronodevir]]'s userpage. --[[User:Danteferno|Danteferno]] 16:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
:{{inconclusive}}, Cronodevir is not 86.132.130.138, but Leyasu's edits are too old to check. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 21:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

{{Clerknote}} Can you say whether Cronodevir is editing from British Telecom?  That's Leyasu's trademark range, and there are some recent BT IP posts signed "Leyasu" that I could find if I had to. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 02:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

: '''Comment''': I don't see how Cronodevir could be Leyasu; Leyasu has pretty much only ever edited metal-related pages.  In addition, his spelling conventions make him quite easy to pick out; when he wasn't just reverting other users, I had to copyedit his edits extensively on the rewrite pages.  On the other hand, before Cronodevir started editing metal pages several weeks ago, Cronodevir spent about 7 months on Wikipedia editing what looks to me like Islam-related pages and was then inactive for several months.  (I haven't looked through the Islam pages.)  At first glance, Cronodevir looks like a completely different user to me, who just happens to agree with Leyasu in regards to gothic/gothic-doom genre classifications.  Metal fans, perhaps a lot more than fans of most other kinds of music, argue endlessly over which sub-/genre of metal a band is; they can almost be divided up like Congress or Parliament into political parties as far as where they stand.  Knowing whether or not Cronodevir edits from BT may shed some light here, but maybe Cronodevir and Leyasu are just in the same "party" in this debate.
: To clarify the clerk note above, I saw some of the BT Leyasu posts from about 3 weeks ago on Thatcher's talk page. --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 04:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
::Cronodevir is in the UK, but not on British Telecom. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 04:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Based on the pattern of edits (''"removing the gothic metal genre and replacing it with "gothic doom" or "symphonic metal"'' - no other non-Leyasu ID has done this) I'm absolutely positive Cronodevir is Leyasu. Either that, or a very good impersonator. --[[User:Danteferno|Danteferno]] 14:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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=== Leyasu ===
*{{checkuser|Leyasu}} banned user
*{{checkuser|Serial thrillers}} recent sock [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=72854472]
*{{checkuser|Evenfiel}}
*{{checkuser|Ours18}}
*{{checkip|81.151.17.99}} for comparison purposes, admits to being Leyasu [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=72873811]
'''Code B'''

Leyasu was banned by the community after repeated violations of his arbitration probation, see [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker#Log of blocks and bans]] involving multiple cases of sockpuppetry and editing from IP adresses (generally British Telecom). 

Ours18 and Evenfiel are relatively new accounts that have found themselves directly confronting {{user|Deathrocker}}, Leyasu's opponent in the above referenced arbitration. Leyasu has many things in common with Ours18 and Evenfiel, including making increasingly strident complaints, calling for Deathrocker to be banned rather than applying the selective blocks called for in the arbitration case, and making repeated accusations of sockpuppetry against Deathrocker which have never borne fruit.

These two editors were pursuing their complaint reasonably but have shifted into strident shouting conspiracy fighting holy-warrior mode. 
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=78941071&oldid=78938434] 
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=78941071&oldid=78938434]

So I think its time for a check. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 19:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

*Evenfiel appears to be {{unrelated}} to Ours18. Not enough information to say whether either is Lesayu. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</small>]]</sup> 23:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

'''Further request'''

Leyasu has edited today as {{checkip|86.143.126.59}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=79395745].  Does this help?  There is also an open accusation that {{checkuser|Fred138}} is a Leyasu sock.  Leyasu jumped to Fred's defense within 30 minutes on ANI saying Fred had been cleared by checkuser, but I can find no record of it. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 11:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

* {{inconclusive}} regarding the correspondence, but interested editors may also wish to take a look at the contributions of {{checkip|86.143.126.55}} which follow the same pattern. [[User:UninvitedCompany|The Uninvited]] Co., [[User_talk:UninvitedCompany|Inc.]] 17:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, there's no doubt that is one of Leyasu's IP addresses.  (British Telecom, edits to [[List of heavy metal genres]] and [[Tiamat (band)]]). I wish the result on Fred138, Ours18 and Evenfiel being related to Leyasu were more decisive (either way) than inconclusive.  I guess these editors will just have to deal with other at face value. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131]] 18:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Leyasu jumped to my defense because we are both on soulseek and I sent him a message asking why the Hell he and I were accused of being the same person. On soulseek I am fredw138 and Leyasu is Lady of Perfection. It should also be noted that if I were Leyasu, I probably would have deleted Type O Negative and Moonspell from the list of gothic metal bands, but I see no evidence that they should be removed. I'd like this to be resolved, and perhaps there can be a way to prevent Deathrocker and Fair Deal from editing my page? I suspect that they are accusing me of sockpuppetry because they do not wish to refute any of my arguments. Also, some of the edits I made to the Gothic Metal page were me going to previous versions and attempting to work from them. At the time I didn't know how to use wikipedia very well, and I am still learning. --[[User:Fred138|Fred138]] 02:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


===Leyasu===

Seeeing as its a trend to assume every IP and then some is me, lets test some of them.

* {{checkuser|Leyasu}} - indefinitely blocked since June 13; see [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu#Log of blocks and bans]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker]].
* {{checkuser|70.110.185.129}} Supposedly me.
* {{checkuser|71.126.108.182}} Also, supposedly me.
* {{checkuser|201.9.128.161}} Another one
* {{checkuser|198.82.125.67}} And another, isnt this fun.
* {{checkuser|200.213.107.108}} And again. Another block that convieniently wasnt given a checkuser.
* {{checkuser|222.154.66.220}} Another supposed 'me'.
* {{checkuser|Prolog}} Apparantly this guy is me too.

Check please. If im going to be accused of something, i expect proof. [[User:Leyasu|Leyasu]] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:81.151.17.99|81.151.17.99]] ([[User talk:81.151.17.99|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/81.151.17.99|contribs]]) 19:12, 30 August 2006</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

{{Clerk-Note}} This is a self-check request based on a complaint filed by Leyasu at [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement]].  Leyasu is known to edit from British Telecom; these IPs are from all over the world. It seems unlikely this check will yield any useful results unless they are open proxies. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131 (talk)]] 00:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Thrown out}} [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 20:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

: Then explain to me why you have accused them of being me when you know they are not. [[User:Leyasu|Leyasu]]

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===Leyasu===
* {{checkuser|Leyasu}} - indefinitely blocked since June 13; see [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu#Log of blocks and bans]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker]].
* {{checkuser|VandalismCorrecter}}
* {{checkip|86.132.132.18}} - IP that VandalismCorrecter used to file an unblock request
* {{checkip|86.132.132.110}} and {{checkip|86.132.132.22}} - IPs in the same range that are blocked as probable Leyasu sockpuppets
{{user|VandalismCorrecter}} has been editing [[Gothic metal]] and related pages over the past several days.  He has been making edits that follow Leyasu's style, including calling good-faith edits vandalism [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gothic_metal&diff=prev&oldid=69251399], and removing references to "gothic metal" in band articles (sometimes changing them to "gothic-doom metal", as Leyasu sometimes did.).  {{admin|Circeus}} and I have suspected that he is a Leyasu sock; Circeus indefinitely blocked him.  However, VandalismCorrecter has consistently maintained that he is not Leyasu. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Circeus&diff=prev&oldid=69483319]

Also, please let us know if it is still possible to fulfill requests for checkuser involving Leyasu, which may be a concern given that it has been almost two months since he was indefinitely blocked. --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 04:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

: For more diffs, please see [[WP:AE#User:Leyasu]] and [[WP:AN/I#Leyasu sock blocked]]. --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 04:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Confirmed}} [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 21:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Leyasu===
* {{checkuser|Leyasu}} is the main account, indefinitely blocked since June 13.
* {{checkuser|NightmareChase27}} is indefinitely blocked as a suspected sockpuppet.
* {{checkuser|MetalsMainLady}} is indefinitely blocked as a suspected sockpuppet.
* {{checkuser|Metal Maiden 676}} is indefinitely blocked as a suspected sockpuppet, though claimed with her second edit that NightmareChase27 and Leyasu are in different countries.
* {{checkip|81.156.152.166}} was blocked earlier this month as a very probable sockpuppet of Leyasu.  (Use this IP for comparison in case Leyasu has not edited from his main account recently enough.)
* {{checkip|86.143.122.86}}
* {{checkip|81.157.89.113}}
* A more complete list of IPs is at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu#Log of blocks and bans]].

The [[Gothic metal]] page has been edited by several IPs recently that might be Leyasu.  There has been some discussion of it on [[WP:AN/I]], and increased activity from 81.*.*.*/86.*.*.* anons on [[Gothic metal]] lead me to suspect continued sockpuppetry from Leyasu.  Leyasu is on revert parole as a result of [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker]].  He was given a 3-month block in June for violating revert parole and has been indefinitely blocked since June 13 as a result of continued block evasion.  I am including the other registered accounts because they are blocked as suspected sockpuppets. --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 19:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

{{Inconclusive}} [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 21:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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===Leyasu===

*{{User|Leyasu}}
*{{User|86.143.126.71}}
*{{User|86.132.129.203}}
*{{User|86.132.133.113}}

Could somebody make sure that these are the same user?  The IP address claimed at [[WP:AE]] that they were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=48776527]; however, I don't think Leyasu has said anything about their IP addresses.  Leyasu is currently under a block for evading the 1RR set by their arbcom ruling ([[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu]].  The IP address has also been used to revert a page more than once in 24 hours. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Children_of_Bodom&diff=prev&oldid=48774995] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Children_of_Bodom&diff=prev&oldid=48887464]  I am requesting a CheckUser because Leyasu has been blocked four times already (with the blocks ranging from 48 hours to a week) for violating their arbcom ruling.  If Leyasu evaded the block by an IP address, they would presumably be blocked again (probably for a week), which would be the fifth block; and then the maximum block length for Leyasu would increase to one year.  I just want to make sure that this anon really is Leyasu rather than an impersonator/impostor, so that any future blocks will be given fairly. 

I added the other two IPs to the list based on messages copied over to [[WP:AE]] by [[User:Deiz|Deiz]] and [[User:Ryouga|Ryouga]]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FArbitration_enforcement&diff=48774784&oldid=48747914]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=48776929] --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 21:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
*'''Highly likely'''. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</small>]]</sup> 20:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

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=== Leyasu ===    
* {{checkuser|Leyasu}}  
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* {{checkuser|parasti}} 

Hello, I'm involved in an Arbitration case right now ([[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Leyasu]]), so I understand if my request for CU is not necessary as it will be performed anyway. I have been repeatedly accused by a user saying I'm a sock puppet. I'm basically sick of it by now, the case takes way too long, so I'd really appreciate any help. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:Parasti|parasti]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Parasti|talk]])</sup> 09:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

:There is certainly no evidence that you are at all associated with Leyasu in the data CheckUser has available.  However one can't prove a negative absolutely with CheckUser. —[[User:Morven|Matthew Brown]] ([[User talk:Morven|T]]:[[Special:Contributions/Morven|C]]) 18:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

:: Thank you. From what I understand, even different countries (as in this case) wouldn't be enough. Somehow I'm sure the user is going to use just that. --&nbsp;[[User:Parasti|parasti]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Parasti|talk]])</sup> 18:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


==={{user|Leyasu}} and {{user|marnues}}===
Taken from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Leyasu_2 this section]:

* '''Both have mistakenly used "classical" metal. I can understand one of them using that but both. I do smell a rat here. [[User:marnues]] is a sockpuppet of [[User:Leyasu]]. [[User:Gothic Hero|Gothic Hero]] 17:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)'''

Please check myself and this user to dismiss the foolish claim that i am a sockpuppet of anyone, or that this user is a sockpuppet of mine. [[User:Leyasu|Ley Shade]] 17:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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