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=== [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] ===
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=20:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)}}

*{{checkuser|Giovanni33}} and his [[:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Giovanni33|numerous]] [[:Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Giovanni33|socks]]
*{{checkip|201.86.171.81}}

'''Code letter''': F

{{user|Giovanni33}} is a sockpuppeteer both indefinitely blocked and banned by the Community and ArbCom. His areas of interest include the [[1973 Chilean coup d'etat]]. Recently, {{userIP|201.86.171.81}} appeared and began editing this and related pages with both a similar POV and an apparent knowledge of Wikipedia syntax/tags/etc. I know Giovanni has proven adept at evading checkuser in the past, but would like to ask whether a) this IP matches any of his known overseas proxies, and b) whether a hardblock would entail significant collateral damage. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 20:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

* {{IPblock}} Hardblocked as a probable proxy.  None of the other users on the range seem to be related.  [[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] <sup>[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]</sup> 21:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)



===Giovanni33===
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=16:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)}}
* {{checkuser|Giovanni33}} 
;Suspected sockpuppets
*{{checkuser|Neptun88}}
*{{checkuser|Aquarius28}}<br>

'''Code letter''': E, B

New SPA reverting to G33's preferred version on [[United States intervention in Chile‎]], just like {{user|Aliciahjoy}} below. Similar arguments/language ("Frederick H. Gareau and Thomas Wright are notable scholars and the section is sufficiently sourced.", probably a sentence G33 has said a dozen times with minor modifications over the years.) Also adding SPA "Aquarius28" (both edited on Salvador Allende) due to the very similar name to Neptun88. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] ([[User talk:Merzbow|talk]]) 16:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:Also please indicate if these accounts are similar to some of the recent foreign IPs editing on that article ({{user|79.199.14.26}}, {{user|60.52.243.34}}); if they are, that (probably, unless he's really obsessed) gets G33 off the hook and perhaps indicates a new sockfarm. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] ([[User talk:Merzbow|talk]]) 16:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:{{confirmed}} Aquarius28 is Giovanni33
:Neptun88 appears {{unrelated}}...
:[[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] <sup>[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]</sup> 18:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::Blocked and tagged the one. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 18:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Too much to be coincidence that "Neptun(e)" plus two numbers follows "Aquarius" plus two numbers, in my book. If "Neptun88" keeps quacking like G33 I will bring it up at [[WP:AE]] on behavioral evidence. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] ([[User talk:Merzbow|talk]]) 00:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
{{TakeNote}} A review of this case was requested, and I am reviewing it. Please do not archive while this review is underway. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User talk:Deskana|(talk)]]</small> 03:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:*Note that Neptun88 was blocked prior to completion of the review as a likely sockpuppet for separate incidents as were other likely sockpuppets of [[User:Giovanni33]]. --[[User:DHeyward|DHeyward]] ([[User talk:DHeyward|talk]]) 16:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
::*{{takeNote}} I have requested an update from [[user:Deskana|Deskana]] as to the status of his ongoing CheckUser review of this case. In the meanwhile, I advise all Clerks to take no action on this case. [[User:AGK|<span style="color:#2A8B31;font-family:sans-serif;">'''Anthøny'''</span>]] 20:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

{{confirmed}} that there is good technical evidence that [[user:Aquarius28]] is [[user:Ratatoui]]. The other user, [[user:Neptun88]], uses a dynamic IP in a different country; all comments above are reasonable ones. [[user:FT2|FT2]]&nbsp;<sup><span style="font-style:italic">([[User_talk:FT2|Talk]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/FT2|email]])</span></sup> 02:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
:{{Question}} (for FT2, Deskana, any CU); should this request be considered [[template:completed|completed]]? [[User:AGK|<span style="color:#2A8B31;">'''Anthøny'''</span>]] [[user talk:AGK|<span style="color:#2A8B31;">✉</span>]] 00:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

===Giovanni33===
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=04 Jul 2008}}
* {{checkuser|Giovanni33}} 
;Suspected sockpuppets
*{{checkuser|Aliciahjoy}}<br>
*{{checkuser|Ratatoui}}<br>

'''Code letter''': E,B

Giovanni33 was placed on 1RR [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giovanni33-John_Smith%27s#Giovanni33_restricted by the arbitration committee for a year].  

While blocked for a violation, these two editors mysteriously appeared to revert.  They only did it once but it is odd behavior for new users to simply revert to earlier version supported by Giovanni33.   Giovanni33 currently claims he doesn't use sockpuppets.  Giovanni33 hails from a Bay Area locaiton.  Aliciahjoy was created very recently while Ratatoui is a sleeper who reverted to Giovanni previously [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glenn_Beck&diff=218089386&oldid=218007863].  --[[User:DHeyward|DHeyward]] ([[User talk:DHeyward|talk]]) 07:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:{{likely}} that Giovanni33 = Ratatoui from the CU evidence.  Different ISPs, but they appear to be very close in location.  Some other technical evidence also suggests strongly that they are the same user.
:Aliciahjoy appears {{unrelated}}.
:[[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] <sup>[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]</sup> 11:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::{{confirmed}} that Ratatoui is {{checkuser|Supergreenred}} and {{likely}} based on topic selection and behavior (and taking logged out edits into account as well) that this is Giovanni33. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 12:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
{{clerknote}} blocked and tagged Ratatoui and Supergreenred. Giovanni33  banned per ANI thread: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive443&oldid=224185163#Giovanni33 Wikipedia:ANI#Giovanni33] <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Rlevse|<span style="color:#060;">'''''R''levse'''</span>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 01:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

===Giovanni33===
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=10 Apr 2008}}
* {{checkuser|Giovanni33}} 
;Suspected sockpuppets
*{{checkuser|64.118.111.137}}<br>
*{{checkuser|76.102.72.153}}<br>
*{{checkuser|Rafaelsfingers}}<br>

'''Code letter''': E, F

Giovanni33 was placed on 1RR [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giovanni33-John_Smith%27s#Giovanni33_restricted by the arbitration committee for a year]. 

Both IP editors have made a number of reversions across the [[State terrorism and the United States]] page on 8th and 9th April. Giovanni then reverted at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism_and_the_United_States&diff=204403263&oldid=204402646 08:26, 9 April 2008]. Rafaelsfingers then reverted at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism_and_the_United_States&diff=204535670&oldid=204534317 21:44, 9 April 2008].

Giovanni may have broken his revert restrictions, as well as used sockpuppets to evade controls - despite being perma-blocked in 2006 for puppetry, only being allowed back after promising not to do that again. 

[[User:MONGO]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=204662730&oldid=204662149 claimed] that the 76 IP's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DHeyward&diff=prev&oldid=204613535 reversion] of a warning made by Giovanni is also evidence that he is a sockpuppet, which is why I have filed this report. Although I have no opinion either way on whether these are puppets of Giovanni, a checkuser should help to reduce suspicion. [[User:John Smith&#39;s|John Smith&#39;s]] ([[User talk:John Smith&#39;s|talk]]) 12:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

*{{inconclusive}}  Rafaelsfingers has some similarities but is not an exact match to 76.102.72.153, and  64.118.111.137 is a different ISP in the same geographic area. Giovanni33 also seems to be in the same general area but is on yet another different ISP. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 13:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

One more time, [[Alice's Restaurant|with feeling]].  I have added a few new ones to the list, based on evidence at [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Rafaelsfingers]]. Let's see if any of these match up. This SSP report is a confused mess.  Any clues would be a great help.  There is a clear editing problem and lots of [[WP:SPA|single purpose accounts]] fueling the edit wars. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

* {{checkuser|Giovanni33}} 
;Suspected sockpuppets
*{{checkuser|Supergreenred}} 
*{{checkuser|Rafaelsfingers}} 
*{{checkip|76.102.72.153}}
*{{checkip|64.118.111.137}}
*{{checkip|76.126.64.74}}
*{{checkip|64.121.40.153}} (previous Giovanni33 IP - San Fran area)<br>
*{{checkip|38.114.145.148}} (Previous Giovanni33 IP - san fran area though this is likely a static IP used to talk software provider in Utah through Cogentco IP provider)

*Again, {{inconclusive}} as these editors are all on different ISPs in the same geographic area (say, a 30 mile radius if the IP geolocation is right).  Supergreenred has made a few edits from Rafaelsfingers's ISP early in his history, and Rafaelsfingers has mostly edited from a wireless device that is harder to locate. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 02:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
** I have blocked the three named accounts based on the behavioral evidence at [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Rafaelsfingers]], which neatly dovetails with your analysis. I invite a review by Thatcher or any other Checkuser, or any other editor who is experience in handling sock pupptry cases.  [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 03:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

===[[User:Giovanni33]]===
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=04:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}}
Suspected sockpuppeteer
*{{checkuser|Giovanni33}}<br>
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;Suspected sockpuppets
*{{checkuser|SixOfDiamonds}} (please see comments below about possible connection to another banned user, e.g., Rootology)<br>
*{{checkuser|SevenOfDiamonds}}<br>
*{{checkuser|Bmedley Sutler}} (via MONGO)

'''Code letter''': E, G

Giovanni33, is a long time user with serious issues in NPOV, 3RR blocks, edit-warring, sockpuppetry, block evasion, etc, who has quite frankly had it out for MONGO. A month or so ago, [[User:SixOfDiamonds]] (username later changed to SevenOfDiamonds), an obvious sock by everyone's standard (messages exist on ANI to the extent, see his earliest contributions for evidence) came along with similar extreme NPOV and edit warring problems. Both have edit warred heavily having to do with issues of [[Allegations of state terrorism by the United States]] and similar articles; SevenOfDiamonds in particular has been chasing MONGO around all over the place. What's more, SixOfDiamonds (as I said, clearly a veteran user by everyone's account), has already been blocked for 3RR violation and has used sockpuppetry, following in the same pattern as Giovanni -though [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SixOfDiamonds]] turned up false, I'm still rather skeptical, as 70.105 is an obvious sock and edited right after Six was blocked: see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.105.24.127] (edit warring in favor of "Conspiracy theorists" for 9/11), [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=141232964] (admits to being same user as 70.105...), [[User talk:74.73.16.230]] (user admits to being same person, block evasion, at top of talk page). Please let it be noted that SixOfDiamonds is the same spa who opened ''another'' frivolous (now deleted) RFC on MONGO.
;Report submission by [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] 00:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


:{{Clerk Request}} Please remove the chatter. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]]</small></sup> 00:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
::{{Clerk note}} Discussion moved to talk page. '''<span style="font-family:georgia;">[[User:Miranda|<span style="color:#084C9E;">Mi</span><span style="color:#4682b4;">r</span><span style="color:#6495ED;">a</span><span style="color:#4682b4;">n</span><span style="color:#084C9E;">da</span>]]</span>''' 05:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Moved to what talk page? The problem is that the above user check request contains some serious allegations, and I feel I need to defend myself against it, where the allegations are made. Specifically the false claim that "I have it out for Mongo." It seems that if someone makes a serious charge like that, the person being so accused should be able to respond to it on the same page that the charge is made, no? Otherwise, that accusation should also be moved elsewhere.[[User:Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] 07:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Ok, nevermind. I see its moved to this talk page. That is fine.[[User:Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] 07:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

{{Unrelated}}. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 21:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

===[[User:Giovanni33]]===
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=04:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}}
Suspected sockpuppeteer
{{checkuser|Giovanni33}}<br>
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;Suspected sockpuppets
{{checkip|68.93.143.57}}<br>
{{checkip|69.150.209.15}}<br>

'''Code letter''': G

;Report submission by [[User:Yaf|Yaf]] 04:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

;Evidence
Giovanni33 appears to be the puppet master coordinating a tag team of 2 puppets for his edits to avoid 3RR violations and to avoid problems in soliciting others to affect consensus through a similar tag team consensus influence peddling effort on the article  [[State terrorism by the United States]].
Suspected puppetmaster Giovanni33 never exceeds 2 edits per day to avoid appearing to near a 3RR violation.  Puppet 
68.93.143.57 also makes edits to the article, while never exceeding 2 edits per day to avoid nearing a 3RR violation.  A second puppet, 69.150.209.15, then solicits others to affect consensus, leaving a message of:
::"==Might be interested==
::I noticed that you took part in [[State terrorism by United States of America]] discussion for deletion.  After the article has survived many deletions, you may be interested that there is a user right now who is deleting large portions of the article. [[User:69.150.209.15|69.150.209.15]] 17:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)"
There were 17 of these messages left by this puppet between 17:42 14 May 2007 (UTC) and 18:16 14 May 2007 (UTC) as visible [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.150.209.15 here].
 
As for the tag teaming of edits to avoid 3RR, see for example: 
* 1st revert: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism_by_the_United_States&diff=130703984&oldid=130498920 04:28 14 May 2007] by 68.93.143.57
* 2nd revert: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism_by_the_United_States&diff=130810738&oldid=130715456 16:36 14 May 2007] by 68.93.143.57
* 3rd revert: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism_by_the_United_States&diff=130838938&oldid=130833515 18:34 14 May 2007] by Giovanni33

No 3RR violation, technically speaking, but still a violation of sock puppetry to achieve a POV end while attempting to game the system.

Giovanni33  has a long history of sock puppetry.  His prior history on these issues is repeated here for convenience:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive121#User.3AGiovanni33_again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive128#Giovanni33_once_again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive128#Giovanni_Part_One http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive128#Giovanni_Part_Three

The issue here is more than a simple content dispute.  The present article is POV pushing at its worst.  Giovanni33 even makes the case that he is writing an attack article against the United States through pushing his POV, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:State_terrorism_by_the_United_States&diff=prev&oldid=130877307 .  

Coupled with sock puppetry to push his POV agenda, there is clearly a need for something to be done administratively to stop the (continued) sock puppetry to push a POV agenda towards writing an attack article against the United States.
:{{delisted}} Per lack of code letter. '''[[User:Real96|<span style="color:#5B92E5; font-family:georgia;">Real96</span>]]''' 04:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::{{relisted}} Per completion of code letter. '''[[User:Real96|<span style="color:#5B92E5; font-family:georgia;">Real96</span>]]''' 05:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

*Comment: For the record, I deny the puppety charge and welcome an IP user check as is deemed appropriate by any admin. I've done nothing improper. This user has lost the debate, and failed to gain any community consensus for his strong POV issues, as is evident on the talk page of chaning reasons for wanting to suppress information. Thus his wholesale deletions of sourced material have been correctly reverted by other long established users, and once by myself. The anon IP user has no connection with me whatsoever. 

*I also note the user has been dishonest, not only with the arguments he had made on the talk page for deleting the sourced material (hence his changing reasons, a new one being created after each time its shown to be false, and citing a different source than the one actually provided for in the article to claim the statement does not reflect what the source says), but now he is falsely accusing me of saying that I actually made the case that I'm writing an attack piece. That is pure nonsense. As anyone can see, I was making the point that our POV's should not enter into consideration (regarding the allegations of US State Sponored Terrorism), but rather we should only be concerned about reporting what legitimate sources claim. Since he shared his POV, I did as well, but advised that we need not concern ourselves with our own personal political povs. To twise this into a claim that I said I'm creating an attack article is just more dishonesty. [[User:Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] 20:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

{{Unrelated}}. '''[[User talk:Voice of All|<span style="color:blue;">Voice</span><span style="color:darkblue;">-of-</span><span style="color:black;">All</span>]]''' 20:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

=== HongQiGong ===    
{{rfcu box|case=Giovanni33|filed=18:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)}}
* {{checkuser|HongQiGong}}  
<!-- DO NOT EDIT ABOVE THIS LINE. Add suspected sock puppets and IP addresses below this line -->
* {{checkuser|VietFire}} 
* {{checkuser|Giovanni33}}
* {{checkip|209.160.65.68}}

* '''Code letter:''' G

User has never edited before today and reverted not long after Hong reverted repeatedly on [[Mao: The Unknown Story]]. 

I would also request you check "VietFire" against [[User:Giovanni33]]. [[User:John Smith's|John Smith&#39;s]] 18:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I would also request you check {{checkip|62.31.146.25}} against {{checkuser|Xmas1973}} and  {{checkuser|John Smith's}}. [[User:Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] 23:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
*{{clerknote}} Merged from [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/HongQiGong]]. [[User:Real96|<b style="color:teal; font-family:georgia;">Real96</b>]] 22:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:{{clerknote}} Added IP per request of user on my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AReal96&diff=122070370&oldid=121962420 talk page]. [[User:Real96|<b style="color:teal; font-family:georgia;">Real96</b>]] 22:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

{{inconclusive}}. [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]]·[[User talk:Dmcdevit|t]] 02:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


=== Giovanni33 ===
{{Clerk-Note}} The report was copied here from [[User talk:Jayjg]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJayjg&diff=64736968&oldid=64718951] to maintain a public record in this case. [[User talk:Thatcher131|Thatcher131 (talk)]] 01:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Jayjg. Since you posted recently at WP:AN/I about Giovanni33 and his puppets, I wonder if you'd mind if I give you a list of all suspects.  I'm including Deuteronomy2000, simply because others thought, briefly, that he was Giovanni. I never thought so at any stage, and I'm experienced with Gio's puppetry. That suspicion came from someone who knew about Gio's history of puppetry but had no prior encounter with him, and led to the brief tagging of the user page. I asked the two people who were tagging the page to stop, and they stopped.

*{{Userlinks|Giovanni33}}
*{{Userlinks|BelindaGong}} found by [[User:Morven|Morven]] to be the same as Giovanni. They originally pretended to have no connection. After the usercheck, he said she was his wife.
*{{Userlinks|Freethinker99}} see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giovanni33&diff=prev&oldid=39658454 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGiovanni33&diff=39658698&oldid=39658454 this]
*{{Userlinks|Kecik}} 
*{{Userlinks|MikaM}}
*{{Userlinks|FionaS}} 
*{{Userlinks|RTS}}
*{{Userlinks|NPOV77}}
*{{Userlinks|HK30}}
*{{Userlinks|Mercury2001}}
*{{Userlinks|Professor33}}
*{{Userlinks|NeoOne}} (seems to have edited from Professor33's IP)
*{{Userlinks|67.114.45.132}} recently appeared at Christianity, with similar POV to Giovanni. Did some edit warring. IP seems to come from same area. Too early for me to make a clear judgment based on linguistic or behavioural evidence, but it's a possibility.
*{{Userlinks|Deuteronomy2000}} (not connected to Giovanni, as far as I'm concerned, but was suspected by people who had less experience of Gio's puppetry than I have)

Can you help to sort out this mess?  Many thanks. [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<b style="font-size:medium;">♫</b>]] 19:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

*Hi Ann. Many of these editors cannot be checked, but some still can. As before, Professor33 is '''likely''' a sockpuppet of Giovanni33, and NeoOne is without doubt a sockpuppet of Professor33. Kecik and MikaM ''could'' be sockpuppets of Giovanni33, but the CheckUser evidence is '''inconclusive'''. Deuteronomy2000 is a sockpuppet of a different editor. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</small>]]</sup> 21:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

{{Confirmed}} I have now '''confirmed''' Professor33 as a sockpuppet of Giovanni33, and NeoOne, and CleanSocks. Given the continuing sockpuppeting, I don't see any other choice except blocking. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</small>]]</sup> 20:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=69087027&oldid=69086486 Link]

=== Giovanni33 ===    
* {{checkuser|Giovanni33}}  

Giovanni33 appeared at the [[Christianity]] article recently, and began to make controversial edits which were disputed by several other editors. He reverted in blatant violation of the [[WP:3RR|3RR rule]], despite numerous warnings. Other editors were slow to report him, [[WP:BITE|as he was a new user]]. He sometimes edits from IP address 64.121.40.153, while not logged in; he acknowledges these edits as his. After other editors opposed Giovanni33, IP address 38.114.145.148 reverted back to his version.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=prev&oldid=36351802] It was the first edit from that IP address. The IP 38.114.145.148 then made a comment on talk page, supporting Giovanni33, and signing as "Belinda".[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Christianity&diff=prev&oldid=36353280] About half an hour later, new user BelindaGong appeared, and reverted to Giovanni's version &ndash; her first edit. Between 12:51 and 17:02 on 23 January, she reverted five times. Giovanni33 was also reverting. Belinda was asked several times to confirm whether or not she was [[38.114.145.148]]. Eventually, she said she did not know her IP address, but that if that first post to the talk page had "Belinda" at the end, it was probably hers. She denied that an edit from a very similar address, [[38.114.145.145]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Christianity&diff=prev&oldid=36583854] (supporting Giovanni33) had come from her.

Around the same time, three more new users appeared on the scene, all supporting Giovanni33 as their very first edit. I do not personally think that BelindaGong is Giovanni33, but there is a strong possibility that the other three accounts are linked to one or other of them. On some occasions, the new users turned up to support Giovanni33 at [[Early Christianity]] and [[Transubstantiation]] (see [[Talk:Transubstantiation#Consensus_poll|here]], where they voted), without being asked to through their talk page. Unless they are meatpuppets, they could not have been asked by e-mail, either, as Giovanni33 is the only one who has "e-mail this user enabled".

There was a ''lot'' of reverting at the Christianity article, with Belinda going well beyond the 3RR, and Giovanni going ''massively'' beyond it. (At one stage, he made eleven reverts in eighteen and a half hours, split between his username and his IP, though I think that is from an unintentional logout.) They have both been blocked for continuing to violate 3RR after repeated warnings. See
*[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:BelindaGong]] and
*[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Giovanni33_combined_with_User:64.121.40.153]]

The accounts are:
:{{vandal|Giovanni33}}
:{{vandal|64.121.40.153}}, which Giovanni33 edits from.
:{{vandal|BelindaGong}}
:{{vandal|38.114.145.148}}, which BelindaGong has agreed is probably hers
:{{vandal|38.114.145.145}}, which BelindaGong may edit from
:{{vandal|MikaM}}
:{{vandal|69.107.7.138}}, which MikaM acknowledged [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Christianity&diff=prev&oldid=36182224 here] that he edits from
:{{vandal|69.106.243.31}}, which MikaM may edit from
:{{vandal|TheShriek}}
:{{vandal|Kecik}}
:{{vandal|198.144.207.115}}, which appeared this morning, in support of Giovanni33.

Please note that I am not asking for their IP addresses. I am giving the IP addresses that they seem to edit from (and acknowledge editing from) just so as to provide full information. Logouts seem to happen accidentally, rather than to game the system. However, I would like to know if there is any link between the five users, and whether the registered users who acknowledge one IP address are in fact using other IPs as well. Thank you.

Requested by: [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

:[[User:Giovanni33]] is also [[User:BelindaGong]].  I can't see any sockpuppetry from [[User:MikaM]].  [[User:TheShriek]] is also [[User:SOPHIA]].  I can't see any sockpuppetry from [[User:Kecik]].  —[[User:Morven|Matthew Brown]] ([[User talk:Morven|T]]:[[Special:Contributions/Morven|C]]) 14:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::Sophia and TheShriek are a married couple. Same IP, different individuals. [[User:Archola|archola]] 06:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

=== {{checkuser|MikaM}}, {{checkuser|Kecik}} and others ===
[[User:Giovanni33]], a blocked revert warrior at [[Adolf Hitler]], has already been shown to be the owner of sockpuppet [[User:BelindaGong]]. The evidence is building rapidly that [[User:Giovanni33]] is now using sockpuppets  [[User:Kecik]] and [[User:MikaM]] to continue this disruptive revert war. I think some sort of a sockpuppet check would be more than helpful. Thanks. [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 00:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
:{{vandal|MikaM}} and {{vandal|Kecik}} are not the same user. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 01:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC). Neither are the same user as {{vandal|Giovanni33}} who may have had a sockpuppet {{vandal|BelindaGong}} [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 02:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

::Thank you Fred. While I hate to disapoint them, I'd appreciate if these POV warriors would stop making the accusations against me and other new users. I consider it a personal attack and in violation of Wiki culture. Many users are convinced that this is primarily motivated by POV disputes, including old users. We have already lost new and old users as a result, leaving in protest over the witch-hunts against anyone who agrees with [[User:Giovanni33]] POV staring in the Christianity pages and flowing over into others. Its time for this to stop. You know who you are, so I need not name, names. Thanks. [[User:MikaM|MikaM]] 02:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

==={{User|208.54.15.129}}, {{User|MikaM}}, {{User|69.107.21.3}}, {{User|Freethinker99}}, and {{User|Kecik}}===
I suspect that these may be sockpuppets of {{User|Giovanni33}}/{{User|BelindaGong}}, who were [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/Archive/February_2006#Giovanni33_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs_.E2.80.A2_page_moves_.E2.80.A2_block_user_.E2.80.A2_block_log.29 checked before] and found to be the same. I believe Giovanni33 is using these accounts to violate the 3rr on [[Christianity]], and to evade his block for 3rr violations. Related evidence that Freethinker99 is Giovanni33 is this change on Giovanni33's usertalk page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGiovanni33&diff=39658698&oldid=39658454] [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] <sup>[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

:The same user group is showed up a block on [[Adolph Hitler]] and started to aggressively pursue a particular POV. All of these accounts are about 1 month old (roughly equivalent to [[User:Giovanni33]]) and have less than 100 edits. Given the amount of trolling, it might be best to protect both [[Adolph Hitler]] and [[Christianity]] to give [[User:Giovanni33] some time to cool off. [[User:Jbetak|Jbetak]] 20:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
::[[User:Giovanni33]] has emailed me several times, claiming each time that he is the husband of [[User:BelindaGong]] and even stated that he would fax copy of ID's to me as proof. Regardless, these other "editors" are another matter...Giovanni33, BelindaGong and Freethinker99 are all currently under a 48 hour block and this will expire in about 24 hours.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 05:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

MikaM acknowledged [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Christianity&diff=prev&oldid=36182224 here] that the IP address [[Special:Contributions/69.107.7.138|69.107.7.138]] was his/hers. [[Special:Contributions/69.106.243.31|69.106.243.31]] is probably the same person, as it's a very similar address and the edit is one which MikaM wanted, according to [[Talk:Transubstantiation#Discussion_for_Compromise_.28Part_1.29|discussion on the talk page]]. MikaM, who is fully aware of 3RR, reverted twice recently (to Giovanni33's preferred version), and then 69.107.21.3 reverted three more times. I asked MikaM on the Christianity talk page to state whether or not he/she was behind those last three reverts, but he/she refused to answer, saying that an earlier sockcheck had shown that he/she was not a sockpuppet. That check, of course, was to see if MikaM was editing from the same IP as another registered user: it did not prove that future edits would always be made logged on.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=39409171&oldid=39398768 23:36 12 February MikaM reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=next&oldid=39409439 23:38 12 February MikaM reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=next&oldid=39412362 00:17 13 February 69.107.21.3 reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=next&oldid=39415701 00:27 13 February 69.107.21.3 reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=next&oldid=39417092 01:03 13 February 69.107.21.3 reverts with "Beware 3RR" in edit summary]

:[http://lacnic.net/cgi-bin/lacnic/whois This] shows a strong connection between the three IP addresses.

Additionally, Kecik reverted three times (to Giovanni33's preferred version), and then there was a revert from an IP address. I asked Kecik both on the Christianity talk page, and on his/her own talk page, to state whether or not that edit came from him/her, but so far, there has been no response.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=39629340&oldid=39588150 20:09 14 February, Kecik reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=39630153&oldid=39629501 20:17 14 February, Kecik reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=39630529&oldid=39630358 20:20 14 February, Kecik reverts]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=39646917&oldid=39630989 22:34 14 February, 208.54.15.129 reverts]

Giovanni33 has been shown by a sockcheck to be BelindaGong. Having been exposed, he now claims that she is his wife. That may, or may not, be true. If it is true, they set up an elaborate pretence about not knowing each other, even to the messages they sent to each other on their talk pages.  Her very first edit was to revert to Giovanni's version.  She and he, even when we did not know their connection, reverted well above three times per day, despite numerous warnings. We were reluctant to report newcomers. After they were finally blocked, they were more careful, but still did six a day between them. They also took two votes on talk pages. The contributions of BelindaGong, MikaM, and Kecik show that their purpose on Wikipedia is to agree with Giovanni and to revert to his version.  Freethinker99 pretended to be a genuine newcomer while GiovanniBelinda was blocked, reverted to his/their version, and then answered a question which had been addressed to Giovanni on Giovanni's talk page, while logged on as Freethinker99. He then logged on as Giovanni33, and changed the signature. He/they then tried to claim that they knew each other and that Giovanni just happened to be at Freethinker's house, and Freethinker had allowed him to use the computer, but had forgotten to log off as Freethinker.

All in all, there is a very disturbing pattern of new users with no prior history at Wikipedia arriving and coming to all the pages he edits, agreeing with him on the talk page, reverting to his version, claiming consensus where none exists, and following him to other articles and voting for whatever he votes for. [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

:::All in all a very disturbing pattern by older users such as yourself, who are attacking any new user who happens to agree with Giovanni. I'd appreciate if you would stop making the accusations against me and the other new users. I consider it a personal attack and in violation of Wiki culture. You seem to follow me around and instigate this by snide remarks, and insinuations. It's harmful and distracts everyone attention away from the editing work we come here for. Instead it only creates a frezy of personal accusations, and attacks. Many users are convinced that this is primarily motivated by POV disputes (not just new users who feel this way), steming from the Christianity article. We have already lost good new and old users as a result, who left protest over the witch-hunts against anyone who agrees with [[User:Giovanni33]] POV. Its time for this to stop. Btw, your descriptions of the events regarding Giovanni, Belinda, and Freethinker are biased and not completely accurate. [[User:MikaM|MikaM]] 02:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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