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== Ayatollah naming ==

I would like to post a proposal for the format of naming Muslim clergy. I would like to either create a separate page [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Islamic clergy)]], or post it here. My proposal is that Muslim clergy such as Ayatollahs go with their titles, just like Western clergy. For '''ayatollahs''' use the format ''(Grand) Ayatollah {name} {surname}''. For example use [[Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani]] and not Ali al-Sistani, and [[Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi]] and not Mohammad Yazdi. [[User:Gryffindor|<span style="color:red;">Gryffindor</span>]] 21:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

#<code>Christian clergy do not go with their titles except some before about 1650s.  The pope does because he is the only person alive in that highest position.  Most others like [[Rowan Williams]] don't include titles in the article name.</code>
#<code>Moreover, there are several hundreds of "ayatollahs".  For example, each of the 86-members of the [[Assembly of Experts]] must be a mullah and many of them are "ayatollahs".  We don't have articles on many members thereof except a few like [[Ali Meshkini]] and [[Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi]].  Plus, most Iranians call ayatollahs simply by their last names like [[Ahmad Jannati|Jannati]] or [[Hossein Montazeri|Montazeri]].</code>
#Aside from the aforesaid, ''collectively speaking'' Muslim clergy are more [[Khomeini's Islamic leadership#List of executions|sanguinary]] than other types of clergy; so not everyone likes them in Iran except [[Basiji]]s and other minions of mullahs.  But I digress in this paragraph.--[[User:Patchouli|Patchouli]] 02:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Use [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Western clergy)]] as a start, its prior example to allow Ayatollah to be used if he has earned the title, to quote "General guideline is then to use the ecclesiastical title the person was best known, or was highest"--[[User:Tigeroo|Tigeroo]] 11:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[[Category:Wikipedia style guideline proposals|Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)/clergy]]
:The above proposal went nowhere. [[Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani]] is still a redirect to [[Ali al-Sistani]] and [[Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi]] is still a redirect to [[Mohammad Yazdi]]. See [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Indic)#Proposed_Guidelines.2C_Titles_and_Honorifics]] for a similar discussion. [[User:LeadSongDog|LeadSongDog]] <small>[[User talk:LeadSongDog#top|<span style="color:red; font-family:Papyrus;">come howl!</span>]]</small> 18:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)