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The result was '''No Consensus''', bodering on keep. Discussion should occur on the talk in regards to inclusion. [[User:Yanksox|<span style="color:black;">Yank</span>]][[User talk:Yanksox|<span style="color:red;">sox</span>]] 21:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
===[[List of notable NIT alumni]]===
Recreated after being deleted through prod. Link spam and a quite indiscriminate collection of information. -- [[User:Koffieyahoo|Koffieyahoo]] 01:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', as alumni lists are established article types for WP, although needs cleanup, ie, names listed must meet [[WP:BIO]] and all external links need to be removed that aren't useful for sourcing.. [[User:Hateless|hateless]] 02:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Is it really true that all of these people are alumni of the [[National Invitation Tournament]]? Or are they from the [[Northern Institute of Technology]] in Hamburg? No way to tell. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 02:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' these are alumni of all [[National Institutes of Technology]] in India, which is exactly what makes it pretty indiscriminate as it is not about a single institution. -- [[User:Koffieyahoo|Koffieyahoo]] 02:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
***'''Comment''' This was created only three days ago, yet three of the first five name/weblinks are to nonexistent pages. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 02:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
****'''Comment''' it's an exact copy of the content that was deleted through the prod. -- [[User:Koffieyahoo|Koffieyahoo]] 02:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per discussion above.  [[User:CPAScott|CPAScott]] 02:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep but seriously clean up'''. After reviewing similar articles for other institutions, I find them mainly lists of people who actually have Wikilinks, not weblinks. "Notable" in Wikipedia means people who have (or at least qualify for) Wikipedia articles. Most on this list clearly do not. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 02:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' into [[National Institutes of Technology]] article. --[[User:Cassavau|Cassavau]]
*'''Delete''', this has category written all over it -- [[User:Deville|Deville]] ([[User talk:Deville|Talk]]) 04:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[National Institutes of Technology]] and categorize. -- [[User:Gogo Dodo|Gogo Dodo]] 04:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' into [[List of National Institutes of Technology alumni]]. It is not category, this is a very good, commented list. It cannot be merged into an already large article. `'[[user:mikkalai|mikka]] [[user talk:mikkalai|(t)]] 05:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not one of the people listed is linked to a Wikipedia entry. If they actually have Wikipedia entries, they should be linked to those pages instead. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] 05:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename and keep''' - This list is quite informative. I have wikilinked two people to their respective bios. There are many more people on the list who are quite notable (eg. K V Kamath of the [[ICICI Bank]] - he is as notable as [[Ben Bernanke]] in India), but who don't have an article on wikipedia. I am sure that most redlinks will be converted to blue as wikipedia gets more popular in India. The list needs to be moved to [[List of National Institutes of Technology alumni]] per mikka. There is some sense in having a list of alumni of all NITs at one place instead of spreading them to around 20 NITs in India. I would call this list to be an equivalent of [[List of notable Indian Institutes of Technology alumni]] which seems to be the inspiration here. The names of some professors could be removed as being a professor at some prestigious institute is not notable per se.- [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 07:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' as potentially useful list; [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not]] paper. — [[User:Adrian~enwiki|Adrian~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Adrian~enwiki|talk]]) 09:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[National Institues of Technology]]. --[[User:Terence Ong|Ter]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Terence Ong|nce Ong]] <sub>([[User talk:Terence Ong|Chat]] | [[Special:Contributions/Terence Ong|Contribs]])</sub> 09:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - it's pretty reasonable, encyclopaedic, whatever floats your boat. [[User:WilyD|WilyD]] 13:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Comments about lack of individual pages aside, this is a good list.  It could and should be reformatted, and pages should be created for the individuals if they qualify, but the list itself is well-structured and informative.  [[User:Badbilltucker|Badbilltucker]] 13:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as [[WP:V|unverified]] [[WP:NOR|original research]]; this is yet another list based on vague and undefined criteria.  What exactly denotes a "notable alumni"?  What criteria does someone have to meet to be considered notable in this context?  Who is deciding these people are notable?  where is the external sources that [[WP:V|verify]] that these people have been referred to as "notable" by a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]?   This is original research, pure and simple and should be deleted as such.  Creating a [[List of National Institutes of Technology alumni]] would denote we should be listing everyone who has graduated from any [[List of National Institute of Technology]] and I think such a list would violate [[WP:NOT]] as indiscriminate. --[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 14:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
**Notability is decided with references all the time here in AfD, there's no reason it can't be done in articles as well. The idea that wikipedia can never have some listing of alumni of a particular institution is ludicrious [[User:WilyD|WilyD]] 15:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
***'''Comment''' OK, but where is this criteria in respect to this list?  Who or What is determining this vague idea of "notable"?  I'm not opposed to a list, based on quantifiable criteria (of which the included people in the list are shown to meet with external citations), of some subset of alumni of an institution... but this list does not meet that definition.  This is a vague, arbitrary piece of original research.--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 15:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
****I haven't worked on the article, so I don't know, but I'd guess you could easily include a note like ''The criteria for inclusion used here are those at [[WP:BIO]] or such''.  [[User:WilyD|WilyD]] 16:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', rename to "list of NIT alumni who have a wikipedia article, or who would qualify for one" if "notable" is too vague and undefined. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 15:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' OK, that is a bit better... that criteria is more defined.--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 15:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
***'''Comment''' I had meant to type ''[[List of notable National Institutes of Technology alumni]] per mikka'' earlier. Obviously all the members in the list should be notable per [[WP:BIO]]. That is why I had reservations about including some professors in the list. - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 17:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Weak Keep''' - if 1) citations are included and 2) non-notable persons are deleted. [[User:Leuko|Leuko]] 18:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - isn't this like saying "List of graduates of a technical university" or "List of graduates of a university in the United States"? Seems too broad. --[[User:Awiseman|Awiseman]] 18:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
: No. It is not a list of all alumni. It is a list meant to be only for notable alumni. Look at [[List of Indiana University alumni]], [[List of University of California, Berkeley alumni]], [[List of Miami University alumni]], [[List of Indiana University alumni]] for example. This list is just the same. But instead of redlinks for people where there is no wiki article, the list contains links to external sources (which verify that they are notable up to some extent). - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 18:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', provided that the term "notable" is defined appropriately in the article based on [[WP:BIO]], and that the list is checked and anyone who does not meet those criteria is removed. In form and design, this appears to be an excellent list, and one of the rare kind that it's hard to imagine replacing with a category. &mdash; [[User:Haeleth|Haeleth]] <small>[[User_talk:Haeleth|Talk]]</small> 18:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': in wikipedia, the word "notable" is '''not''' used in names of articles, like, [[List of Lithuanians]], since notability is a default criterion for inclusion in wikipedia. `'[[user:mikkalai|mikka]] [[user talk:mikkalai|(t)]] 18:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' with [[National Institutes of Technology]] article.  -- [[User:Stubblyhead|stubblyh]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">ea</span>]][[Special:Random|d]] | <sup>[[user_talk:Stubblyhead|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[special:contributions/stubblyhead|c]]</sub> 19:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
**That article is way too big for a merge, eh? [[User:WilyD|WilyD]] 20:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*I think a '''Smerge''' with [[National Institutes of Technology]] would be OK, as long as we only merge the people who are notable enough to merit a Wikipedia bio and abridge the descriptions. If you think the NIT article is already too long, it's time to start spinning out sub-articles on a few of its sections as standalones. -[[User:Hit bull, win steak|Hit bull, win steak]]<sup>[[User talk:Hit bull, win steak|(Moo!)]]</sup> 21:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' but rename to remove the word "notable" from the title to better conform to other alumni list. I think notability in this one will be a buger to tie down since they maybe extremely notable over in India but not to a majority of yanks here.[[User:205.157.110.11|205.157.110.11]] 22:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge — ''' into [[National Institutes of Technology]]  [[User:American Patriot 1776|American Patriot 1776]] 05:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per above. [[User:Utcursch|utcursch]] | [[User talk:Utcursch|talk]] 11:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. This is too big to merge.  If they criteria for inclusion is that they meet Wikipedia's notability criteria on their own, it is fine. --<span style="color:#3300FF;">[[User:Aguerriero|<span style="color:#3300FF;">Aguerriero</span>]] ([[User_talk:Aguerriero|<span style="color:#3300FF;">talk</span>]])</span> 21:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': too hard to verify. At least, delete all entries without articles. Preferably make into a category as it is easier to verify each person in their own article than in a generic list which could have random names added without anyone being authoritative to remove names - who knows who ''shouldn't'' be on the list? [[User:Stephen B Streater|Stephen B Streater]] 15:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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