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== Preferable title? Something about orig-year? ==

Hello. If I may ask, which title do you think is preferable? Also, I thought about adding {{para|orig-year}}, but apparently this book contains different essays written in different years....?
* Averroes (1953). Crawford, F. Stuart, ed. Commentariumin Aristotelis De Anima. Mediaeval Academy of America.
* Averroes (1953). Crawford, F. Stuart, ed. Commentarium Magnum in Aristotelis De Anima Libros. Mediaeval Academy of America.&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User:Lingzhi2|Lingzhi2]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Lingzhi2|(talk)]] 02:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

:The second, see [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&ei=OiJYXN3ZBufL5gLQzJDQBA&q=%22Commentarium+Magnum+in+Aristotelis+De+Anima+Libros%22&oq=%22Commentarium+Magnum+in+Aristotelis+De+Anima+Libros%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0.0.4923.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.4I4PPwCVYuo this Google Books search]. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:34, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks...Happy Chinese New Year!&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User:Lingzhi2|Lingzhi2]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Lingzhi2|(talk)]] 20:03, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

== Daedalus ==

What was the reason for the removal of your last edit on the Wikipedia page, on Daedalus? [[User:DaedalusGodOfWisdom|DaedalusGodOfWisdom]] ([[User talk:DaedalusGodOfWisdom|talk]]) 04:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

:The content you added contained no sources, please see [[WP:SOURCES]]. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I see, I will put it back with references. [[User:DaedalusGodOfWisdom|DaedalusGodOfWisdom]] ([[User talk:DaedalusGodOfWisdom|talk]]) 04:00, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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== Woohoo ==

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Woohoo indeed ;-) [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

== Dear Paul August: How about some help ==

Dear Paul August, On 10 Aug 2019 you blocked my addition on the Tartarus entry.
Your reason stated was: (I) created a "now unintelligent sentence fragment". It would
very kind of you to EDIT this "now unintelligent sentence fragment" and replace it with an intelligent sentence instead of deleting it. If not, how about offering some
academic tutoring that would unblock my info? [[User:Miistermagico|Miistermagico]] ([[User talk:Miistermagico|talk]]) 23:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
:You misquoted me. What I said was "as having created a now ''unintelligible'' sentence fragment". (Unintelligible means unable to be understood, unitelligent  means something entirely different.)  Your edit left the following:
::In the [[New Testament]], the noun ''Tartarus'' does not occur but ''tartaroo'' (ταρταρόω, "throw to Tartarus"), a shortened form of the classical Greek verb ''kata-tartaroo'' ("throw down to Tartarus").

:That's not a sentence, it doesn't make grammatical sense. The original version of that text read:
::In the [[New Testament]], the noun ''Tartarus'' does not occur but ''tartaroo'' (''ταρταρόω'', "throw to Tartarus"), a shortened form of the classical Greek verb ''kata-tartaroo'' ("throw down to Tartarus"), does appear in [[2 Peter]] [https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/Πέτρου_Β%27#2 2:4].

:It says that, while the Greek text does not contain the Greek noun ''Tartarus'', it does contain the Greek verb ''tartaroo'' which means "throw to Tartarus". What new info are you trying to add? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 00:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Dear Paul,
Examining this further I see I made an error. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Miistermagico|Miistermagico]] ([[User talk:Miistermagico|talk]]) 04:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
:Sure, no problem. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

== Artemis | Legacy - Discussion ==

Dear Paul, 

Regarding your recent removal of an edit I made on the Artemis page, although I did not create the Legacy section I believe it should remain. The use of historic names in modern day branding and communications, specifically with NASA's new mission and Artemis the coffee company, is important in keeping the history of the original source alive in the public's mind. This information is relevant and I believe an edit to correct any lack of sources would have been more appropriate in this scenario. The two on taxonomy and astonomy do seem quite thin, however NASA's use of Artemis will be an extremely popular search in the coming years as we come closer to the mission. The content of the Artemis coffee reference is also fully factual and citations were included to validate this section. [[User:CascaraBarbara|CascaraBarbara]] ([[User talk:CascaraBarbara|talk]]) 12:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

:{{yo|CascaraBarbara}} Notice that another editor has also removed your addition to that section. I don't believe the comnpany Artemis Cold Brew Coffee, is notable enough to be mentioned in that article. If you wish to discuss this further, please open a discussion on [[Talk:Artemis]], thanks. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:28, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

: Feel free to visit my talk page and comment on the discussion regarding the other editor's revision. The very definition of an encyclopedia is to provide information on many subjects or on many aspects of one subject as possible. This company references to more than just the name of Artemis and that why I believe it is notable enough to be included in this article. As previously mentioned, I believe an edit for incorrect information would have been more acceptable. If you disagreed with the notability of this information you should have opened a discussion in the first place instead of simply removing. [[User:CascaraBarbara|CascaraBarbara]] ([[User talk:CascaraBarbara|talk]]) 13:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

::My revert of your edit without first opening a discussion on the talk page, reflects the long established standard editorial practice described at [[WP:BRD]]: "Making '''[[WP:BOLD|bold edits]]''' is encouraged, as it will result in either improving an article, or stimulating discussion. If your edit gets '''[[WP:REVERT|reverted]]''', do not revert again. Instead, begin a '''[[WP:Discussion|discussion]]''' with the person who reverted your change to establish '''[[WP:Consensus|consensus]]'''". That is, when you make and edit (i.e. your adding the company info) and it gets reverted by another editor  (i.e. like me removing the content) you should not revert again (i.e. as you did by adding back the company info), but instead you who should have, at that point, begun a discussion, and not have readded your preferred content, without establishing an editorial consensus. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Even though I have mostly left Wikipedia and I am no longer writing articles, I still pop over here now and then to see what is going on. This is to thank you for all your excellent contributions over the years, including your ongoing work on the articles [[Hecatoncheires]] and [[Cyclopes]]. You are one of the users whom I have most admired over the course of my time here on account of your tireless and devoted efforts to keep the articles on ancient Greece and Greek mythology in good order. I have no idea what Wikipedia would be like if you were to leave. —[[User:Katolophyromai|Katolophyromai]] ([[User talk:Katolophyromai|talk]]) 00:40, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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:{{yo|Katolophyromai}} How very nice! Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you appreciate my work. I miss your contributions, and seeing you around. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 00:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
::I am still writing obsessively, but I am no longer writing on Wikipedia as much. Nowadays I mostly write answers on Quora and articles on my personal website. Here is [https://www.quora.com/profile/Spencer-Alexander-McDaniel a link to my Quora profile] and here is [http://talesoftimesforgotten.com/ a link to my personal website]. —[[User:Katolophyromai|Katolophyromai]] ([[User talk:Katolophyromai|talk]]) 06:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

== The new Cyclopes page ==

Hello, Paul August.  There seems to be an error in the transition of the article to its new title.  If you click on the talk page for Cyclopes you get [[Talk:Cyclopes (disambiguation)]].  You're doing a great job with your great contributions to this page.  It's been fascinating to watch the progress. - [[User:Quarterpinion|Quarterpinion]] ([[User talk:Quarterpinion|talk]]) 14:50, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks, I think I've fixed things now. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 20:18, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

== Question about editing protocol on bio page ==

My apologies, I am not a regular Wikipedia contributor, but you have undone a number of my recent attempted edits, as well as those of others attempting similar edits, and I am uncertain how to proceed when it is a matter about which I have personal knowledge that does not yet have a public source. Are you able to provide guidance? Thank you.
[[User:HudPix|HudPix]] ([[User talk:HudPix|talk]]) 11:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{yo| HudPix}}, Hi. Sure I'm happy to provide you with what guidance I can. We can't rely on personal knowledge. Everything on Wikipedia needs to be able to be sourced to reliable published sources (see [[WP:Sources]] and [[WP:RS]] for definitions and details). Let me know if you have any more questions, and I will try to answer them. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 19:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I'm starting to get the hang of things, and am engaging on the article Talk page. 
[[User:HudPix|HudPix]] ([[User talk:HudPix|talk]]) 00:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for removing the PA and putting a target on your own back. Sorry about that. I hope you have a great weekend and a great Thanksgiving. [[User:Lightburst|Lightburst]] ([[User talk:Lightburst|talk]]) 20:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

== Greek mythology sources and stories ==

Paul August, I have been contributing since 2006, mostly by reading and revising articles. Over the years, particularly in 2011, 2017 and 2018 I read heavily on several sources and criticized several articles that relate to Greek mythology. I am interested in sources and truth but also in structure and elegance when it comes to articles on Wikipedia. I read and commented on a variety of Greek mythology articles and, in some cases, you provided feedback. I understand that we share interest on a few subjects and primarily on Greek mythology to which I dedicated a section of my personal website. I uploaded a variety of documents, currently 9 genealogical trees and 25 paraphrased stories of gods and heroes that compare different sources as well as 2 summaries that compare a variety of mythologies. I created 6 more stories that have been in the making for a while. I would like to know if you would be able to comment on some statements I came across on Wikipedia that I was unable to verify because I could not find a source for them.

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 06:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
:Sure. I can try.  [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

=== The birth of the Milky Way ===

Thanks for the help Paul August!

In the article on [[Heracles]] under the "Birth and childhood" section I read this:

"Fear of Hera's revenge led Alcmene to expose the infant Heracles, but he was taken up and brought to Hera by his half-sister Athena, who played an important role as protectress of heroes. Hera did not recognize Heracles and nursed him out of pity. Heracles suckled so strongly that he caused Hera pain, and she pushed him away. Her milk sprayed across the heavens and there formed the Milky Way. But with divine milk, Heracles had acquired supernatural powers. Athena brought the infant back to his mother, and he was subsequently raised by his parents.[23]"

Reference 23 points to "Diodorus Siculus' Bibliotheca Historica (Book IV, Ch. 9)".

I read the passage of Diodorus Siculus at [https://www.theoi.com/Text/DiodorusSiculus4A.html#9 Book IV 9.6] and I do not see any explanation on how the Milky Way was created. Do you think it's pure fabrication or that is explained in some other source?

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 09:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

:Looking at [[Milky Way]] I see:
::In [[Greek mythology]], the Milky Way was formed after the [[trickster]] god [[Hermes]] suckled the infant [[Heracles]] at the breast of [[Hera]], the queen of the gods, while she was asleep.<ref name="Leeming">{{cite book|last1=Leeming|first1=David Adams|title=Mythology: The Voyage of the Hero|date=1998|publisher=Oxford University Press|location=Oxford, England|isbn=978-0-19-511957-2|page=44|edition=Third|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=YJawuz5Q1vEC&pg=PA44|ref=harv}}</ref><ref name="Pache">{{cite book|last1=Pache|first1=Corinne Ondine|article=Hercules|title=Ancient Greece and Rome|date=2010|publisher=Oxford University Press|location=Oxford, England|isbn=978-0-19-538839-8|editor1-last=Gargarin|editor1-first=Michael|editor2-last=Fantham|editor2-first=Elaine|volume=1: Academy-Bible|page=400|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=lNV6-HsUppsC&pg=RA2-PA400|ref=harv}}</ref> When Hera awoke, she tore Heracles away from her breast and splattered her breast milk across the heavens.<ref name="Leeming"/><ref name="Pache"/> In another version of the story, [[Athena]], the patron goddess of heroes, tricked Hera into suckling Heracles voluntarily,<ref name="Leeming"/><ref name="Pache"/> but he bit her nipple so hard that she flung him away, spraying milk everywhere.<ref name="Leeming"/><ref name="Pache"/>
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:Both cited sources seem reliable, so I think we can accept that there was such a story. However, neither Leeming nor Pache (as far as I can tell) cite any ancient sources, so where this story comes from I don't know. Leeming does cite Robert Graves, ''The Greek Myths'', vol. 2, pp. 90-91. When I get home later today I will look in Graves, to see what he says. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Paul August, thank you for the information. That is my problem: I cannot link the story of the Milky Way to any ancient source which is typically where I want to go. [[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 05:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

:I've now had a quick look at Graves, pp. 90-91&mdash;and by the way, a word of warning, Graves needs to be taken with a considerable grain of salt, he is ''not'' a professional scholar of mythology, and his ''The Greek Myths'' contains a lot of creative synthesis, which does not always reflect exactly what the ancient sources actually say, which also means that if Leeming is basing his account solely on Graves (which is the only source he cites) then I think we have to discount to some extent what Leeming says also. In any case, Graves distinguishes, per the quote from our [[Milky Way]] given above, two main versions, one involving Athena (as in Diodorus)  and the other Hermes, and he also provides ancient sources for each. For Athena, he cites: Diodorus Siculus 6.9; Tzetzes, ''On Lycophron'' 1327; Pausanias, 9.25.2; while for Hermes: Eratosthenes, ''Casterisms'' 44; Hyginus, ''Poetic Astronomy'' 2.43; "Ptolemy Hepaestios, quoted by Photius p. 477"; and Diodorus Siculus 6.10. I'll do some more looking when I get a chance. Meanwhile you might look at:
::* Hard, Robin (transl.), ''Eratosthenes and Hyginus: Constellation Myths, with Aratus's Phaenomena'' (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2015) {{ISBN|978-0-19-871698-3}}
:Specifically: [https://books.google.com/books?id=7IMSBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA132 pp. 132-135], p. 150, for what Aratus, Eratosthenes, and Hyginus have to say. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:50, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Paul August, thanks for the additional comments. I will look at each source. When you say "Diodorus Siculus 6.9" and "Diodorus Siculus 6.10" what book are you referring to?

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 20:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

:Sorry, that should have been Diodorus Siculus ''4.9'' and ''4.10'', so Book 4, chapters 9 and 10. These are the sections of Diodorus that Graves cites, 4.9 you've already seen, per above. However, I've just looked at Diodorus [http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/4B*.html#10 4.10], and I don't see anything relevant there, so Graves seems to be a mistaken about the second Diodorus cite. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:00, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

For [https://books.google.com/books?id=7IMSBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA132#v=onepage&q&f=false Constellation Myths by Eratosthenes/Hyginus and Phaenomena by Aratus] I would need to go to a library since pages 133-135 and 150 are blocked.

I looked at the sources that include Athena in the story: Diodorus Siculus (Bibliotheca historica, [https://www.theoi.com/Text/DiodorusSiculus4A.html#9 Book IV 9.1]-10.1), Lycophron (Alexandra, [https://www.theoi.com/Text/LycophronAlexandra3.html 1327]) and Pausanias (Description of Greece, [https://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias9B.html#7 9.25.2]).

Then I looked at the sources that include Hermes in the story: Eratosthenes (Catasterismi, 44), Hyginus (Poetic Astronomy, 2.43), Ptolemy Hepaestios, quoted by Photius p. 477 and Diodorus Siculus (Bibliotheca historica, [https://www.theoi.com/Text/DiodorusSiculus4A.html#9 Book IV 10.1]-7).

For the sources on Athena I do not see any reference to the birth of the Milky Way and I found the Lycophron "transposition" of the stories of Heracles and Theseus puzzling (Phemius=Poseidon / Tropaea=Hera).

For the sources on Hermes I could not find any source and I would need to go to a library for each of the books. This is with the exception of Diodorus Siculus that does not say anything about the Milky Way and I agree with you it sounds like a sourcing error (maybe from printing).

Based on what I have seen out of the above in just about all cases there is a reference of Hera milking Heracles but nothing more than that. It sounds like a dead end. I think the reference to the creation of the Milky Way that points to Diodorus Siculus in the article on Heracles should be removed. The paragraph should not mention Hera's pity or the Milky Way which are definitely not in the account by Diodorus Siculus.

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 07:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

:The Graves cite is to "Tzetzes, ''On Lycophron'' 1327", that is [[John Tzetzes]]’ Commentary  (usually titled ''On Lycophron'') on Lycophron’s ‘’Alexandra’’ 1327, not to Lycophron’s ‘’Alexandra’’ 1327, itself. As to what Lycophron does says:
::[Theseus] went with the wild beast, the Initiate, who drew the milky breast of the hostile goddess Tropaea,”
:The “Initiate” is a reference to Heracles&mdash;who was famously an initiate in the [[Eleusinian mysteries]])&mdash;while the “goddess Tropaea” is a reference to Hera, so this is clearly a reference to Hearacles being suckled by Hera, however no mention of the Milky Way. Perhaps the bit about Athena and the Milky Way is in Tzetzes&mdash;here's a link to Müller's edition: [https://archive.org/stream/isaakioukaiiann00mlgoog#page/n1053/mode/2up ''On Lycophron'' 1327] (in Greek, with Müller's Latin notes)&mdash;but I know of no translation of this, but I don't see it, and it would take awhile for me to puzzle out the Greek.

:However here is what Eratosthenes, ''Epitome'' 44 (Hard, pp. 132&ndash;133) says:
::It is not possible for sons of Zeus to have any share in the honurs of the sky unless they had been suckled at Hera’s breast; and that is why Hermes, so they say, brought Heracles along after his birth and placed him at Hera’s breast, for him to be suckled at it; but when Hera became aware of it, she thrust him away, and the rest of her milk spilled out accordingly to make up the milky circle [i.e. the Milky Way].

:And here is what Hyginus, ''Astronomy'' 2.43 (Hard, p. 133) says:
::There is also a circle in the heavens which is white in colour, and which men have called the milky circle. Eratosthenes recounts in his ''Hermes'' that Hera unknowingly gave milk to the infant Hermes, but when she came to realize that he was Maia’s son, she pushed him away; and that is why a bright trail of spilled milk can be seen among the stars. Others have said that Heracles was placed at Hera’s breast while she was asleep, and she acted as has just been described when she woke up. Or according to other authors, Heracles was so greedy that he sucked in so much milk he could not keep it in his mouth, and what spilled out from his mouth is shown in this circle.

:So the story that the Milky Way comes from Hera’s spilt milk (usually while suckling Heracles) is well attested in ancient sources. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:20, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Tropaea is clearly Hera but who was Tropaea? I never heard of that. The same I find about Phemius which is Poseidon. That is what I find puzzling.

Thank you for the additional search and the comments on Eratosthenes/Hyginus. It does seem there is a story but the "milky circle" can be anything in the sky. There is no direct reference to the Milky Way itself in the original texts. I assume that "[i.e. the Milky Way]" is your comment. If now, was the "milky circle" the name of the Milky Way before modern astronomy?

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 06:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

:No, there is no doubt that what the Greeks referred to as the "Milky Circle" is what we call the "Milky Way". [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Alright, then the passage in the "Birth and childhood" section should not use Diodorus Siculus, Bibliotheca historica, Book IV 9.6 for reference 23 but Eratosthenes, ''Epitome'' 44 and Hyginus, ''Astronomy'' 2.43. Thanks for the information.

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 07:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

=== Theseus and the Minotaur ===

The article on the [[Minotaur]] says that "Theseus killed the Minotaur with the sword of Aegeus and led the other Athenians back out of the labyrinth." I read 5 sources for the story of Theseus and the Minotaur: Diodorus Siculus (Bibliotheca historica, Book IV) , Hyginus (Fabulae), Pseudo-Apollodorus (Bibliotheca), Plutarch (Life of Theseus) and Pausanias (Description of Greece). None of them says that Theseus used a weapon to kill the Minotaur. In fact, the only source that specified how Theseus killed the Minotaur was Pseudo-Apollodorus who explained Theseus used his fists (Bibliotheca, [https://www.theoi.com/Text/ApollodorusE.html E.1.9]). Do you know what is the source for the account of the sword? 

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 03:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

:Sorry, not offhand, no. When I get a chance I will look into it. In the meantime you could add a: {{citation needed}} template, or simply remove it. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Paul August, thanks for the feedback. I added a citation needed tag for the missing source that claims Theseus used a sword to kill the Minotaur.

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 23:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Paul August, have you been able to look into the source of Theseus that use as sword to kill the Minotaur?

[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 05:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:No, sorry. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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:{{yo|llywrch}} Thanks! Happy Holidays and Saturnalia to you too ;-) [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:35, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
:: You must know my friend the librarian. She used to write Saturnalia carols. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 18:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
:::Really, I'd love to hear one. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 18:41, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
:::: Damn, I wish I could remember one of hers. And not guess at how they went (e.g, "Hark the herald druids sing...") -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 16:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

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Paul August, You are edit warring on the article [[Cyclopes]], please stop.  You made a bold edit to the article on December 13, it was reverted, and a discussion is going on.  (See: [[WP:BRD]])  There are five editors: {{u|Sweetpool50}}, {{u|P Aculeius}}, {{u|Furius}}, {{u|Caeciliusinhorto}} and myself, who have commented on the talk page, and not one of them has expressed the opinion that the guidelines mentioned on [[WP:BRD]] and on [[WP:CAUTIOUS]] should be ignored, as you are doing.  I am not arguing that the particular content you are repeatedly deleting needs to remain in the article or be unaltered.  That particular content was in fact in the process of being edited and adjusted by a number of editors when you interrupted that process with your bold edit.  I suggest that the guidelines ([[WP:BRD]] [[WP:CAUTIOUS]]) should be followed.  You are the only editor who seems not to agree with that.  I suggest that you end this time-wasting edit war, and allow the editing process to proceed in a normal manner.   Please respect the opinions of your fellow editors. If you continue to edit war, against consensus&mdash;which does not mean unanimity, see [[WP:CONSENSUS]]&mdash;you may end up losing your editorial privileges.[[User:Bitwixen|Bitwixen]] ([[User talk:Bitwixen|talk]]) 13:22, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

:Bitwixen, kindly don't use other editors to bolster an argument that clearly none of them support, or behave as if you have the right to issue warnings in retaliation because you received one.  None of the other editors who responded to requests for comment agree that the material you've been arguing about belongs in that article.  Arguing that it has to be restored because the discussion took place after it was deleted is pointless.  Several editors have already indicated that you don't seem to be willing to collaborate, but are just insisting that things be as you want them using any excuse or theory that you think supports your position—but at the end of the day, no matter what technicalities you come up with, if it doesn't belong in the article then it's not staying!  Please take some advice and drop this matter before you get yourself blocked for disruptive editing.  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 13:59, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{yo|Bitwixen}} Please listen to what P Aculeius says. You have made some useful contributions, I would hate to see you blocked. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:06, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

::I have reverted Bitwixen again with the warning that further action on his part will be reported to the admin panel. I would prefer that came from you, but any of us could do it; judging by recent responses, I think our collective patience has come to an end. Like you, I'm reluctant to see a potentially good editor go, but I have been recognising the pattern in Bitwixen's responses from past bitter experience. Over the years 2012-14 (when I went by another name) there was an editor called WP Editor 2011 who used to call himself "a humble Wikignome" and eventually painted himself into a similarly defiant corner, leading to an indefinite ban. Bitwixen's behavior has been so eerily similar that I wondered for awhile whether it was the same person registered under another name. I am hoping a less extensive pause for reflection will bring a change of heart, and perhaps a recommendation to that effect coming from you might carry weight. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 20:32, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

:::I'm sure that P. August is understandably reluctant to resort to using his authority in a dispute in which he himself is involved—as no doubt you are as well.  Asking a third party to review the situation and recommend further action, if necessary, would probably be better.  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 03:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

::::{{yo|P Aculeius|Sweetpool50}} Since I'm involved in the content dispute, I won't be using any of my admin tools here (and I don't think Sweetpool50 expects me to).  Although there would seem to be sufficient number of editors aleady involved, asking other parties to "review the situation and recommend further action" is always an option. Can either of you suggest other parties to ask? We can, of course, always report Biwixen to [[WP:ANEW]] (where ''all'' of our actions will come under review). Another course of action would be to open a [[Wikipedia:Rfc#Request comment through talk pages|Request for comment]] (RfC). I don't particularly look forward to doing either of these, but if Bitwixen keeps reverting, I suppose something like this will be needed. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:03, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

:::::I defer to your judgment, as I've mostly stayed out of admin matters in my Wikicareer, thankfully avoiding any kind of sanction—if only by knowing when to back off and give up in the face of overwhelming or at least insanely vigorous opposition.  Even in matters of grammar and style—*sigh*!  Your judgment, and, if you'll forgive the flattery, willingness to defer to the judgment of others when it's well-reasoned, even if you disagree with it—makes me confident that you'll choose the most efficacious course of action should it be necessary to take this further.  As I see it, the worst that could happen is that someone might side with Bitwixen on technical grounds over the initial reversion, but the argument would still be moot since it's been fleshed out by multiple editors on the article's talk page, and they all think the material is better treated elsewhere.  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 15:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

::You're quite right, {{yo|Paul August}}, I knew you couldn't take action yourself, but I was hoping you had suggestions for how the next step might be initiated. The last time I attempted something like this I was so technically unskilled I made a complete hash of it - and got accused of edit-warring into the bargain. That in turn emboldened the other editor, so that his misbehaviour continued much longer than it need have. What I had in mind was an ANI for edit-warring, should Bitwixen persist after his final warning. If we need someone uninvolved, I could draw the situation to the attention of the administrator in shining armour who finally sorted out the problem I mentioned above. He's very much a St George kind of character, which is why I wanted to make sure an appeal for clemency went with the appeal! [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 17:06, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

:::{{yo| Sweetpool50 }} Well [[WP:ANI]] would technically be a bit premature, since that page is for "discussion of urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems", which I don't think this is, yet (although in practice such technicalities are often ignored). The edit warring noticeboard [[WP:ANEW]] would be the more appropriate administrative noticeboard. You could certainly bring this situation to the previous admin, who you found helpful, asking for their help and advice. That might obviate the need to take the more formal actions I've mentioned above. And frankly, I don't deal a lot with this kind of administrative work, and there are many far more experienced admins in such matters than I, who might have better ideas for how best to move forward. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 18:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

:::{{yo|P Aculeius|Sweetpool50}} Bitwixen now blocked for 31 hours: [[User talk:Bitwixen#December 2019]]. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 19:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

::::It seems as if you too have a dragon-slayer up your sleeve! I only hope it doesn't tip him over the edge again. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 20:21, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::No dragon-slayer up ''my'' sleeve, it would hardly be big enough. It's rather more likely ''I'd'' find myself [[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|in the pocket]] of a certain [[User:Bishzilla|fire breathing destroyer of Japanese cities]]. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::Welcome in pocket, little Paul! Feel free use catflap! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:#A7A0F2;">pocket</span>]]</b> 21:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC).
::::::::<small>Thanks ... but you're going to scare my guests. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)</small>

== Telephus ==
[[File:Pergamon Altar - Telephus frieze - panel 16+17 (2).jpg|right|thumb|Panels 16 &17: "Telephus receives weapons from Auge"]]
[[File:Berlín Télefo 19.JPG|thumb|Detail of panel 16]]
Dear Paul,

You wrote,

:This is a detail of panel 16, neither of these figures are [[Telephus]] or Auge. Telephus stands to the far right of panel 16 (not shown here), and only his torso is extant. On panel 17 Auge stands to the right of Telephus holding a helmet out for Telephus)

I respectfully defer to your judgment here. But perhaps you can also suggest an appropriate caption for this photo? Because it seems to be mislabelled, or not properly labelled. Regards. [[User:Y-barton|Y-barton]] ([[User talk:Y-barton|talk]]) 18:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

:Here is an image of the full panels 16 and 17 which together are titled "Telephus receives weapons from Auge". Below it is the image you added to [[Telephus]], which is a detail of panel 16. The two figures in the detail are male attendants, standing behind Telephus. Telephus' torso, wearing a [[cuirass]], can be seen in the top image just to the right of the two attendants. Why do you say the photo is "mislabelled"? Where do you see this mislabeling? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 22:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

::Thank you, Paul, for your clarification. I have now added more labelling to this image at the Commons. It was just insufficiently labelled, I guess, so I got confused. [[User:Y-barton|Y-barton]] ([[User talk:Y-barton|talk]]) 03:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
:::You're very welcome. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

== Arbitration case opened ==
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by January 28, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung/Workshop]]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee, <span style= "font-weight: bold;">[[User:CodeLyoko|<span style="color:#800000">CodeLyoko</span>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:CodeLyoko|talk]]</sup>  04:56, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

== Paradeigma deletion ==
If that counts as a challenge to deletion then the definition of challenge is meaningless. Anyway I think the article is not notable and I don't have an account.
[[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:417F:DEB0:4C7D:ACD:5A4A:C5E3|2604:3D09:417F:DEB0:4C7D:ACD:5A4A:C5E3]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:417F:DEB0:4C7D:ACD:5A4A:C5E3|talk]]) 05:45, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
:You may be right about the article ([[Paradeigma]]). In any case [[WP:PROD]] is for ''uncontested'' deletions, which is not the case here. By policy, the quality of the challenge is not a consideration. Your next step would be to nominate the article for deletion, see [[WP:AFD]]. You don't need an account to do that. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

==Hueg table on ANI==
I know you meant well, Paul, but my son informs me it's "hueg" now. Compare [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hueg Urban Dictionary]. Admittedly that definition is from 2004, so it's probably something completely different by now. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC).
: ;-) [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

==Your Post at WP:AN==
You forgot to sign it, you might want to do that.[[User:LakesideMiners|<b><span style="color:#6E4600">LakesideMiners</span></b>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:LakesideMiners|Come Talk To Me!]] </sup> 15:52, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Paul August}}, its kinda amusing given the topic. [[User:LakesideMiners|<b><span style="color:#6E4600">LakesideMiners</span></b>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:LakesideMiners|Come Talk To Me!]] </sup> 15:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

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You are welcome.

[[User:Fylindfotberserk|Fylindfotberserk]] ([[User talk:Fylindfotberserk|talk]]) 17:38, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
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== Article About [[Jason]] ==

This article has had barely any activity for the past 8 or so years, and if someone even knows about this article, they can add onto it. I request that you leave this article unprotected.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.24.210.141|50.24.210.141]] ([[User talk:50.24.210.141#top|talk]]) 20:17, 22 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I'm not the admin who last protected the article. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 19:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== Followup ==

I somehow missed that you said you didn't get what the gorilla was about. Believe it or not, it's a kind of expression of sympathy for arbcom members, who -- once elected -- can't ever really be just regular ol' editors anymore, because everyone knows they hold the power of life and death. It's kind of like how movie stars can't just go into a restaurant for a quiet bite to eat. This is completely different from implicitly accusing an arb of abusing their authority or intimidating someone, as you seemed to think. (I'm explaining here to avoid complicating that thread further.){{pb}}I just want to add, and I really mean this, that though I think you're dead wrong about the analog people, I bear no one on the project ill will (well, almost no one) and you're welcome to visit any time.  [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{yo|EEng#s}} Thanks for the explanation. I could have investigated via the link that Iri provided, but was too lazy. And in any case I felt confident at that point that the image didn't mean what it looked like it might. So you think I'm dead wrong about the "analog people", but I don't think I've expressed an opinion on them. I'd really like to know what is it exactly that you think I think? As I admire many things about you, I welcome your welcome, and I will try to make a point of visiting more often (even if only to scold, and by the way I only ever bother to scold people who I think might be good enough to be worth trying to make better). [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
::I was talking about your expressed opinion that the analog-binary caption was unacceptable. Don't admire me, I'll just break your heart. Besides, {{U|Levivich}} has already agreed to marry me; J.S. Mill is writing our vows. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:37, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{yo|EEng#s}} But I never expressed an opinion about the caption. I certainly never said it was unacceptable. Here's what I ''did'' say:
::::"I think you happen to be in the wrong here. We all make mistakes, and we should all try to listen with an open mind to other people when they tell us we've made one. ...  For me, if some[one] thinks one of my jokes is offensive—even if I think they are the only one who thinks so—I think my response would be to apologize, and retract it. It seems to me to [be] just a matter of simple politeness. ... Regardless of whether or not the removal was right, I'm trying to say that your response could have been more polite. ... I'm sorry, but I see nothing in your responses above that indicate to me that you are listening to or taking on board any of the constructive criticisms your fellow editors are trying to give you. It would be good if you could try harder to do that. ... That you seem to believe that everything you've done here was perfectly appropriate—that you seem to believe all your critics are wrong—that you take no responsibility at all for any part of this problem—is disheartening."
:::I didn't mean by any of this that your *caption* was necessarily inappropriate, but that, in my opinion, your *response* to those who did think so was less than ideal. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
::::<small>P.S. I wish I had an appropriately funny image and caption with which to lighten the mood. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC) </small>

== [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine]] opened ==

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by April 21, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine/Workshop]]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee, [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] 🎷 <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 20:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

== Patroclus ==

What was the reason for the removal of the last edit on the Wikipedia page Patroclus, about his intentions? [[User:Nawel Laakel|Nawel Laakel]] ([[User talk:Nawel Laakel|talk]]) 06:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:Well it misspelled "Sarpedon" as "Saperdon", and the edit was poorly worded, and seemed like unnecessary details to me. If you feel strongly about it, you can add it back. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 26 April 2020 ==

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== [[Lovelock, Nevada]] ==

Hi, Paul August, I seem to have gotten into a content dispute at the above article but managed to persuade the other editor to take it to the Talk page. Trouble is that the subject is judged of low interest in the template there, so there may not be much discussion. I remembered when you were working on Cyclopes that you went to the relevant topic project and interested other editors in taking part. That would be Project:Nevada in this case, but I'm not sure where or how to word such a request so that it doesn't sound like canvassing. I'd be grateful if you could advise me on that. 

Should that not generate discussion, I believe there's another forum where some of the procedural aspects of the article might be discussed. For me that's primarily weighing secondary and tertiary sourced facts against WP:UNDUE. I'd like to draw on your knowledge on which forum that might be, in case it comes to it. You did a superb job of moderating on Cyclopes and managed the discussion there very skilfully. It's a skill that I lack, unfortunately! Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. I hope you're staying safe. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 10:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

:Hi Sweetpool. Yes I'm staying very safe thanks, I hope you are as well.

:I'm sorry to hear about your content dispute. I've taken a brief look at the talk page discussion, and it seems to have just got started. If it were me I'd probably see what happens there before asking others for help. However, the place to raise the issue with the Nevada project would be at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nevada]]. That project seems a bit moribund however, so I wouldn't count on much help from there. If you do post a request there, or elsewhere, just briefly, and neutrally describe the dispute, provide a link to the appropriate talk page discussion, and ask for help (see [[WP:CAN]]). You could also ask the other editor (or editors) to help in the writing of such requests. Which would be a good exercise in consensus building. Other places you could ask for help are [[WP:THIRD]] or [[WP:DRN]]. Before doing that, be aware that both of those boards will expect that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page first.

:''Benediximus'', [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that's most useful. I've edited down  the section in question in the hope that will help defuse things. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 09:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:Good. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
==Come On, I literally cited a source==
I cited a source, namely, Greekmythology.com, just look at that page on Greekmythology.com and it says that he is worshiped by many as a protogenoi god with Chaos and Gaia as his parents. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.221.173|82.17.221.173]] ([[User talk:82.17.221.173|talk]]) 19:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've just left the following reply to you on [[Talk:Oceanus]]:
::"The website greekmythology.com is not an acceptable source for Wikipedia. (For what constitutes an acceptable source please see [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]). Nor does that website cite any acceptable sources, in fact it cites no sources at all. Ultimately any source for this would have to be based on some ancient source, and as I said, I know of no ancient source which says this. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 20:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)"
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== Requesting a block ==

Please take a look at [[User:James Sadat|James Sadat]] ([[User talk:James Sadat|talk]]). To the best of my knowledge, this user is edit warring and violating ‘What not to have on your user-page?’ I think the user should be blocked under ‘Conflict of interest’ and ‘Clearly not here to build an encyclopaedia.’ [[User:Idell|Idell]] ([[User talk:Idell|talk]]) 10:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
:I've blanked that page and left an explanatory message on their talk page. [[WP:COI]] or [[WP:NOTHERE]] don't yet apply. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
::Sadat has reversed the blanking. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 13:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
:::I've now blanked and protected the page. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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==Rhexenor==
[[Rhexenor]] ''is'' categorised as a DAB page.

It might be better to move the mythological stuff over [[Rhexenor (mythology)]], or to return it to an SIA and hatnote the millipede. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

:Yes that page is now a mess. I think somebody tried to merge a dab page and set index article. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

:Ok, I've now made that page a SIA, with a hatnote for the millipede genus, as suggested. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 20:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{yo|Narky Blert}} I now ''think'' I've fixed everything with respect to that page. I've also tried to explain things, as best I could, to the user who did the merge [[User talk:Kwamikagami#Inappropriate merge|here]]. Please feel free to add to, or correct, what I've said there. I'm sorry I undid your edits without taking the time to look into the situation more carefully. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries. I've checked the pages to which I'd added a {{tl|dn}} tag, and all are now clean.
:::I think the hatnote solution is best. The obscure millipede [[junior synonym]] is outnumbered by the obscure mythological figures. A DAB page might be permissible under [[WP:TWODABS]], but looks really unnecessary - Rhexenor is not going to collect bad links-in. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 10:42, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, and I agree. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::Another advantage has only just occurred to me - if anyone ''is'' looking for the millipede, they'll learn the origin of the name en route. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 09:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::Well, presumably it was named after ''one'' of these, but which one? And whatever for? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 09:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::::The taxon authority just says [https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/54185#page/25/mode/1up "mythological"], and gives no reason. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 13:17, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::::That's often the case I would assume. And even the entry "mythological" has little value to me, since I would guess that such an entry is often simply the result of an (albeit reasonable) assumption on someone's part. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Anyway, you goaded me into digging up the original paper and adding it to ''[[Narceus]]'', which is all to the good. Biologists' style is to say just (Authority 18xx) or the like, trusting that there's been no data corruption between the first publication and whatever it was they copied the information from. An interesting and relatively straightforward search, starting clean from "Brexenor millipede"; it took only 20 minutes, with few dead ends. [[User:Narky Blert|Narky Blert]] ([[User talk:Narky Blert|talk]]) 20:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::Good. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 22:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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== Crome Yellow ==

Sorry to trouble you, {{u|Paul August}}. A while back you managed to widen discussion on the Cyclopes Talk Page by drawing attention to it through the appropriate portal. I'd like to do that for a discussion about the novel above but can't see where to do that at the Novel Portal. Could you advise me, please? [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 14:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
:I didn't note the discussion on any portal, rather I mentioned the discussion at the Wikiproject: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome|Classical Greece and Rome]]'s talk page. For information on Wikiprojects see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject]]. An appropriate project might be [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels]], you could mention the discussion on that projects talk page: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels]]. As for [[WP:portals]], I don't know much about them, other than that most apparently attract little traffic. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thx, I'll follow it up there. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

== Circa ==

''Circa'' is significantly easier to look up than the more cryptic "c."  Please stop being critical of changes that are helpful, but you do not happen to "like".  [[Special:Contributions/50.25.221.206|50.25.221.206]] ([[User talk:50.25.221.206|talk]]) 02:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please see [[WP:MOS]] which says:
::"To indicate ''approximately'', the abbreviation {{xt|c.}} (followed by a space and not italicized) is preferred over ''circa'', ''ca.'', or ''approx.'' The template {{tlx|circa}} may be used."
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== Euripides, and translation generally. ==

Hello. I recently replied to you on Euripides' Talk page. I am not as well-turned in Wikipedia as you presumably are, with your administrator title, and accordingly do not know if that was the correct way to reply. But I am now here, as a guess, because you have not replied there; and because I want to direct myself directly at you, because your administrator title implies that you know things that I do not; and that you have some disposition to improve things. I bring you myself as such a thing for improvement, which may consequently sprout some improvements to articles, which is surely very enticing indeed.
To be plain with you, if I may, I want you to be plain with me, if you may; particularly concerning translation (and particularly of ancient text, such as quotes we swing mid the Euripides ship and fellows, etc). 
You have removed some translations I made, calling them "original research", and suggesting I read about such things. I have read and read again everything pertinent I could find on the original-research-reliable-neutrality-translation-citation-etc pages, but doing so has only led me to believe that proffering translations of Euripides quotes (because the quote, as I interpret it, is of Euripides; not his translators) is neither "original research" (for that, as I interpret it, is nonsense), nor unacceptable.
Somewhere it says that "official" translations are preferred to those of article-editors. But this suggests indeed that an article-editor may proffer translations (as I said on the Talk page, one reason I included the Greek is because the Greek is the quote, not the translation).
What I will do now, is demonstrate very simply and quickly why I preferred myself to the "reliable sources". For it is not vainglory, nor such stuff. 
I have access to two "reliable" translations of Aristophanes' ''Clouds''. But first, the Greek: line 123: "ἀλλ᾿ ἐξελῶ σ᾿ εἰς κόρακας ἐκ τῆς οἰκίας". I do not know if you can Greek, but that, in English, is: "I will expel you from the house, toward the crows". Nearby, line 133: "βάλλ᾿ εἰς κόρακας":"Throw to the crows" ("yourself" is implied). 
Now, for the reliable sources: Alan Sommerstein, in an Aris & Phillips edition, gives: "I'll throw you out of the house, and you can go to blazes"; and: "Oh, get stuffed!", respectively. Jeffrey Henderson, in a Loeb edition, gives: "I'll throw you the hell out of the house!"; and: "Buzz off to blazes!" So, we may note here, if we choose to, that only I and Aristophanes speak of the carrion birds. 
What I am hoping for, from you, is some clarification concerning translation generally; particularly, to stick with our examples here, why I cannot enlighten the world with what text actually is (ie source text (ie Greek)), and what it actually means (ie target text); because, as we have seen, in our examples, the reliable sources are not actually reliable sources; and because we do not equally understand the rules. This latter is desirable. [[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 17:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, and, just for clarity: my issue is not THAT my translations were removed, but WHY; rules are unclear. [[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 18:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:Yes I'm sorry I haven't been more responsive here, but I've been mostly sick in bed since Saturday. I will try to clarify things when I'm feeling better. Hope that is ok. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 18:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I was myself stuck in bed, sick, for much of last week (and, indeed, until Saturday), so am content for you to carry that on without me. I don't mean to imply any impatience, but rather that I was not certain that you would be aware that I replied to you. I am now suspicious that some sort of communication has been successful, so can leave you til whenever. [[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 19:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:{{yo|Untitled50reg}} I'm finally feeling well enough to give what I hope is a cogent reply :-)
:All assertions made in Wikipedia ''must'' be verifiable (See [[WP:V]]). In particular  all quotes ''must'' be accompanied by a cite to a reliable published source from which the quote has been taken. That would not be possible (presumably) for one of your translations.
:You also ask if you may provide the Greek text associated with some given quoted translation. You may, provided you give a reliable source for that Greek text. For example if you wanted to give the Greek text for Euripides' ''[[Medea (play)|Medea]]'' lines 250&ndash;251, you could write:
::κακῶς φρονοῦντες: ὡς τρὶς ἂν παρ᾽ ἀσπίδα
::στῆναι θέλοιμ᾽ ἂν μᾶλλον ἢ τεκεῖν ἅπαξ.<ref>Kovacs, [https://www-loebclassics-com.ezproxy.bu.edu/view/euripides-medea/1994/pb_LCL012.307.xml p. 306].</ref>
{{reftalk}}
:Where "Kovacs, p. 306" might refer to the following entry in a "Bibliography" section of the article:
:* [[Euripides]], ''[[Medea (play)|Medea]]'', translated by David Kovacs in ''Euripides. Cyclops. Alcestis. Medea.'' Edited and translated by David Kovacs. [[Loeb Classical Library]] No. 12. Cambridge, Massachusetts: [[Harvard University Press]], 1994. {{ISBN|978-0-674-99560-4}}. [https://www-loebclassics-com.ezproxy.bu.edu/view/LCL012/1994/volume.xml Online version at Harvard University Press].
:I hope this helps. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Paul August}} I think I understand, if I understand that a translation of a quote is considered to be itself the quote; and, though verifiable, as pointing to what it translates, is itself, perversely, what it translates, and therefore needing a source as if it were a quote. And, for reliability, that pertains rather superficially and abstractly to dogma and names, thus, from my neutral point of view, what I think, sticking with translations of Euripides, extends only to, say, minimising distortion, using verifiable information; employing verifiable dogma to ward off unverifiable dogma, which latter may distort unacceptably.[[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 14:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

== Text delete ==

Dear Mr August. 

My name is Moutzouris Ilias, i am a medical doctor Microbiologist in Agios Dimitrios, Messinia, Greece. 
If you have some avaliable time, can we please discuss about the deleted text https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Helen_of_Troy&oldid=972989910 ? 

As you know the theories for the birth of Helen are many. One of the theories is that Helen and Dioscuri (the brothers of Helen: Castor and Pollux) came out from the same egg. This theory can be verified from at least 3 different sources:

1. Timothy Gantz - Early Greek Myth (page 321):
''"the scholia at Homer Odyssey 11.298 have all the three childer (as Zeus') emerge from the egg."
In Servius, we find again the notion (as in the Odyssey scholia) that the three childern were born from one egg afther the mating of Zeus/swan and Leda (Σ Aen 3.328; cf. VMI78; III 3.6)."''

2. Fulgentius - The mythographer (page 78):
''"For Jove disguised as a swan lay with Leda, who laid an egg from which were born the three, Castor, Pollux, and Helen of Troy. "''

3. The Vatican mythographers (page 45):
''"The Story of the Swan and Leda.
Striving after the love of the maiden Leda, Jupiter changed himself into a swan and pretended that he was fleeing from an eagle. He had transformed Mercury into the eagle. Thus, received into the lap of Leda, he had intercourse with her; she produced an egg from which three offspring were born: Castor, Pollux, and Helen."''

In at least 2 different sources we can read that Dioscuri were born on a specific islet called Pefnos, beneath the crests of Taygetus mountain in Messinia-Peloponnese:

1. Pausanias - Description of Greece (English) (page 225):
''"And about twenty stades from Thalames is a place called Pephnos, by the sea. There is a little island in front of it not greater than a big rock, which is also called Pephnos, and the people of Thalames say that it was the birthplace of Castor and Pollux. Alcman also gives us the same account i know in one of his poems. But they do not say that they were brought up at Pephnos, for Hermes took them to Pellana. And in this island there are brazen statues of Castor and Pollux about a foot high in the open air. These the sea cannot move from their position, though in winter time it dashes violently over the rock. This is indeed wonderful, and the ants there are whiter in colour than ants generally. The Messenians say that the island originally belonged to them, so that they claim Castor and Pollux as theirs rather than as deities of the Lacedaemonians. "''

2. Homeric hymns - xvii. 3, xxxiii. 4 sqq. (page 63):
''XVI. TO THE DIOSCOURI
Of Castor and Polydeuces do thou sing,—shrill Muse, the Tyndaridæ, sons of Olympian Zeus, whom Lady Leda bore beneath the crests of Taygetus, having been secretly conquered by the desire of Cronion of the dark clouds. Hail, ye sons of Tyndarus, ye cavaliers of swift steeds.''

The famous professor of Archaeology Dr. Petros Themelis, who is the leader of excavations for over 30 years of the city of Ancient Messene ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messene ), combined those sources and concluded that since Dioscuri were born on the Pefnos islet and since Helen and Disocuri were born from the same egg, then the birth place of Helen is Pefnos islet in Messinia. In order to verify this, he created some days before a statue of an egg with engraved the union of Zeus/swan and Leda, as it is shown on the ancient statue stored in British Museum ( https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/G_1973-0302-1 ). You can see more photos and info of the statue at a facebook page created: https://www.facebook.com/Η-γέννηση-της-Ωραίας-Ελένης-στη-βραχονησίδα-Πέφνο-614729455848919 and a drone video of the construction at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYLr6Nqa14

In 22 of August the municipality of West Mani ( https://www.dimosdytikismanis.gr/en/home-english/ ) has a ceremony on the Pefnos islet, with the unveiling of the statue. The presentation of the statue will be done by the Minister of Culture and Sports of Greece, Miss Lina G. Mendoni ( https://www.culture.gov.gr/en/ministry/SitePages/political_leadership.aspx?role=Υπουργός ) and Dr. Petros Themelis. I will send you the verifications of all this after the 22th of August, from various newspapers and tv stations.

So you can understand that the verification of Helen's birthplace from the official Greek government and from Dr. Petros Themelis, one of the most famous and important archaeologists of Greece, are some major facts we need to seriously consider. 

Please let me know of your opinion

Best regards

Dr. Moutzouris Ilias
Medical doctor of Microbiology --[[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55|talk]]) 09:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

== IE languages in the southern Balkans ==
We're having a discussion about a particular source and whether it should be used in [[Talk:Molossians#Georgiev]] in the context of the theories it puts forward about IE languages in the Balkans. What are the prevalent opinions about it in your experience with relevant bibliography?--[[User:Maleschreiber|Maleschreiber]] ([[User talk:Maleschreiber|talk]]) 22:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

== Euripides ==

I stomped through [[Euripides]], and left a trail of "cn" and "what". "Since We and Thou had it out already" (possibly quoting here [[Finnegans Wake]], to stress the seriousness), I am sticking a big serious sign to your face, which says: "I have already accepted this responsibility, and am glad to fix things forthwith".[[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 20:52, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

== Pandora ==

Thx for yr patience! [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 09:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
:Of course. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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== Helen of Troy birth ==

Dear sir,
You just deleted a text from the birth of Helen of Troy, because you mentioned “it does not belong here”. I am a user with little experience in wikipedia, can you please help me with this? 
I mentioned the birthplace of Helen, do you suggest it does not belong to the “Life-birth”? Should i make another title on “Life” called “Birthplace”?
Best regards [[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55|talk]]) 13:18, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

:The commemoration of the supposed birth place, by a town in Greece is not particularly notable. In any case, according to the ancient accounts of her mythology, Helen was born to [[Leda (mythology)|Leda]], who was the wife of the [[Sparta]]n king [[Tyndareus]]. I don't know of any ancient source which specifies Helen's birthplace, but the presumption would be that it was in Sparta. I don't know why the island of [[Pefnos]] claims she was born there. I know of no ancient sources which say this. So in lieu of such sources, I don't think that claim should be in the "birth" section, or in fact anywhere in the "Mythology" section (the recently renamed "Life" section). At most the local claim of the Island to be the "birthplace" of Helen ''might'' warrant a mention in our article [[Pefnos]], but as I say that fact  is not particularly of "encyclopedic" interest. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear sir, 
Please let me refer on two things that needs to be considered:

1. The claim of [[Pefnos]] to be the birthplace of Helen, is not a local claim as you mention. If you see at the official web page of the Greek ministry of culture and sports https://www.culture.gov.gr/el/Information/SitePages/view.aspx?nID=3432 (only Greek text), you can read that the Minister of Culture and Sports of Greece, Miss [[Lina Mendoni|Lina G. Mendoni]] ( https://www.culture.gov.gr/en/ministry/SitePages/political_leadership.aspx?role=Υπουργός ) herself inaugurated the statue on the Pefnos island and claimed that Helen was born from this egg. I made a translation for you of the Greek text:
"Inauguration of the monument of Dioscuri, on the islet Pefnos, in West Mani
On Saturday night the Minister of Culture and Sports Mrs. [[Lina Mendoni]], representing the Prime Minister [[Kyriakos Mitsotakis]], inaugurated in the Municipality of West Mani, in Agios Dimitrios next of Stoupa, the monument of Dioscuri, on the islet Pefnos: An egg that the artist Giannis Gouzos has carved the mixing of Leda with Zeus-Swan. According to the legend that has been saved in the verses of Euripides Helen and in the texts of Pausanias, Leda after her union with Zeus-Swan laid an egg on the islet of Pefnos or in another variation of the myth laid two eggs. From the union of Leda with Zeus Helen was born, the beautiful Helen of Menelaus, Clytemnestra and the Dioscuri, Castor and Polydeuces, whom the Spartans worshiped as demigods and when they were thrown into battle they were singing the paean in their honor.
Professor Petros Themelis contributed to the depiction on the monument, while the Mayor of West Mani believes that the monument will contribute on making Agios Dimitrios of West Mani known to the whole world and will attract visitors. Especially if the monument-egg will be connected with the two carved tombs of Agia Sophia in Old Kardamili, which are attributed to Dioscuri by Strabo.
The Minister of Culture and Sports in her greeting spoke about the intertemporal depiction of the myth of the union of Leda with Zeus:
"The ancient Greeks are distinguished for their fertile fictional imagination, but the myths contains and often indicates historical data. The myths were depicted in all art forms of antiquity - this spesific myth adorns a mosaic of exceptional quality in Palaipafos of Cyprus - but they were also a source of inspiration for all the great painters of the Renaissance and otherwise. A typical example is the famous painting by Leonardo da Vinci, which in a unique way depicts the moment of the birth of Leda's childrens ", noted Mrs. Lina Mendoni, exciting the Italians attending at the event. "The myths that refer to this area, in today's Mani, such as the one about the birthplace of the Dioscuri but also of Eleni and Clytemnestra, inspire the inhabitants, the local authorities and the artists and becomes the cause of creation of modern works with new approach. The rich cultural reserve of Messinia allows our imagination to give existance to the myths, tied to its magical natural environment. The visitor of Agios Dimitrios will be able to follow the path of Pausanias and Strabo and live the myths and the history of Mani in its big duration, in a combination with the hospitality, the local products and whatever is consistent in showing that the place becomes a destination ", the Minister concluded, thanking the Municipality of West Mani for his initiative."

So as you can read on the official text of the Greek ministry of culture and Sports, the minister herself which is responsible for all the antiquities of Greece, claims that Helen was born on Pefnos island.
As you can also read, the famous professor of Archaeology Dr. Petros Themelis, who is the leader of excavations for over 30 years of the city of [[Messene|Ancient Messene]], also claims the same thing, as he also inaugurated the egg of Pefnos island.
So the claim is not local, its an official claim from the official Greek government and also from one of the most famous Greek archaeologist professors. 

2. The legends that are mentioned on the above text, are ancient texts of [[Euripides|Euripides "Helen"]] and texts of [[Pausanias (geographer)|Pausanias]]. 
The texts from Euripides "Helen" (https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Greek/EuripidesHelen.php)
Line 17:
"Helen: As for me: My land is the famous Sparta and my father is Tyndareas, though there’s a story that says that one day Zeus disguised himself as a swan that was supposed to be fleeing the clutches of an eagle and, if one is to believe that story, he flew to my mother’s bed and, by deception, he made love to her. Leda is my mother’s name and mine is Helen."
Line 252:
"Helen: Dear friends! Look at the Fate to which I am yoked: My mother has brought me to this world to be nothing more than a monstrous freak! No woman –neither Greek nor barbarian- has given birth to the egg of a white bird, yet, they say, that this is what my mother has done. Leda, they say, delivered me inside the shell of a bird’s egg. Zeus is my father."

As you know [[Tyndareus|Tyndareas]] was the king of [[Sparta]] and Leda was his wife. Thats why Helen mentions Sparta as her land. 
But she also says that there is another story, the story of Zeus/swan. According to this story Helen was not the daughter of Tyndareas, but daughter of Zeus. 
So we assume from the text that according to the first story Helen is from Sparta, but according to the second story she is not from Sparta.

The text from Pausanias: Description of Greece (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0160%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26%3Asection%3D2 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0160%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26%3Asection%3D3 )
"[2]Twenty stades from Thalamae is a place called Pephnus on the coast. In front of it lies a small island no larger than a big rock, also called Pephnus. The people of Thalamae say that the Dioscuri were born here. I know that Alcman too says this in a song: but they do not say that they remained to be brought up in Pephnus, but that it was Hermes who took them to Pellana.
[3] In this little island there are bronze statues of the Dioscuri, a foot high, in the open air. The sea will not move them, though in winter-time it washes over the rock, which is wonderful. Also the ants here have a whiter color than is usual. The Messenians say that this district was originally theirs, and so they think that the Dioscuri belong to them rather than to the Lacedaemonians."

In this text you can read about the island Pephnus (or [[Pefnos]]) and the report of Pausanias that [[Dioscuri]] (Castor and Polydeykis - the brothers oh Helen) were born there.
But since we know that Dioscuri and Helen were born from the same egg (at least 3 different sources verify this - [[Timothy Gantz]] - Early Greek Myth (page 321), [[Fulgentius]] - The mythographer (page 78), [[Vatican Mythographers|The Vatican mythographers]] (page 45)), then the conclusion is that Helen and Dioscuri were born from the same egg on the island Pefnos. 

As you mentioned at another point, Helen and Dioscuri were not real persons, they were myths, thats why their stories belongs to mythology. But even if it is mythology, it has places mentioned that are actually real places. And the reason for this is because the ancient writers liked to put their "heroes" living near or between them, on places that were familiar to them. 
One of this places was a small island that had the shape of a bird's nest, when you look to it by the shore. Because of its shape, the ancients (Pausanias, the people of Thalamae and the ancient poet Alcman) imagined that on this island the famous egg was born. And from this egg Dioscuri and Helen came up. This island is called Pefnos and indeed it looks like a bird nest. On this island according to Pausanias used to be bronze statues of Dioscuri and now there is a modern sculpture of an egg depicting the union of swan/Zeus with Leda. The egg was made by the local municipality of West Mani (Check their official site: https://www.dimosdytikismanis.gr/εγκαινιάστηκε-από-την-υπουργό-πολιτι/), but it was such a big event for all Greece, that the minister and the most famous professor of archaeology inaugurated it.

Please tell me your opinion about all this.

You can also check reports about the birth of Helen on Pefnos island, from various websites:
https://www.athina984.gr/en/2020/08/25/egkainia-toy-mnimeioy-ton-dioskoyron-sti-duyiki-mani/
https://houseinpeloponnese.com/the-mysterious-peloponnese-mani-beautiful-helen-born/
https://www.in.gr/2020/08/25/culture/texni/egkainiastike-mnimeio-ton-dioskouron-stin-stoupa/
https://best-tv.gr/δυτική-μάνη-εγκαινιάστηκε-από-την-υπο/
https://ioniantv.gr/o-mythos-twn-dioskourwn-epistrefei-sthn-dytiki-mani/
https://www.iefimerida.gr/politismos/mani-marmarino-aygo-sti-brahonisida-pefnos
https://eleftheriaonline.gr/local/politismos/ekdiloseis/item/221269-messinia-glypto-gia-ti-gennisi-tis-oraias-elenis-sti-vraxonisida-pefnos-sti-mani-vinteo
https://www.messinialive.gr/dytiki-mani-parousia-tis-ypourgou-politismou-egkainia-tou-avgou-ston-agio-dimitri/

:That's a lot of material to digest. However, as far far as I can tell, the only ancient source mentioning a related birth on the island of Pefnos is Pausanias [http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0525.tlg001.perseus-eng1:3.26.2 3.26.2] which says:
::"The people of Thalamae say that the Dioscuri were born [on Pephnus]."
:So no mention of Helen being born there. Note there are ''many'' different accounts involving the birth of Helen and her siblings. Yes some ancient sources say that Helen and the Dioscuri were born from the same egg, but other sources say there were two eggs, one containing the Dioscuri, the other Helen and Klytaimestra. I see no way to conclude from Pausanias' account, that the legend of the "Thalmae" whereby the Dioscuri were born on Pefnos, must necessarily have included Helen being born there also. In fact it seems to me that if that legend had included Helen, Pausanias would have said so. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:53, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort on the subject. Please note that Pausanias says: "The people of Thalamae say that the Dioscuri were born here. I know that Alcman too says this in a song". So its the people of Thalamae (Thalamae is a village of West Mani) and the famous poet [[Alcman]] that claim this.
The ancient sources that claims Helen and Dioscuri were born from the same egg are at least three: 
1. Timothy Gantz - Early Greek Myth (page 321): "the scholia at Homer Odyssey 11.298 have all the three childer (as Zeus') emerge from the egg." In Servius, we find again the notion (as in the Odyssey scholia) that the three childern were born from one egg afther the mating of Zeus/swan and Leda (Σ Aen 3.328; cf. VMI78; III 3.6)."

2. Fulgentius - The mythographer (page 78): "For Jove disguised as a swan lay with Leda, who laid an egg from which were born the three, Castor, Pollux, and Helen of Troy. "

3. The Vatican mythographers (page 45): "The Story of the Swan and Leda. Striving after the love of the maiden Leda, Jupiter changed himself into a swan and pretended that he was fleeing from an eagle. He had transformed Mercury into the eagle. Thus, received into the lap of Leda, he had intercourse with her; she produced an egg from which three offspring were born: Castor, Pollux, and Helen."
Ofcourse there are other sources claiming about two eggs etc, but those sources are not that many.

The important thing to understand is that there are two scenarios of where Helen was born, as she mentions in Euripides "Helen": In the first scenario she was born in Sparta, in the second scenario she implies she was born somewhere else. So where is this other place? Its the place that Zeus disguised as a swan and seduced Leda and Leda created an egg. So we can find the second scenario place, if we can find the place that the egg was created. 

According to Pausanias, Dioscuri were born on the island Pefnos. As we know there also two scenarios of were Dioscuri were born. The first is in Sparta (if Tyndareas were their father) and the second is in Pefnos (if Zeus was their father). On the second scenario they came out from an egg. 

After the mate of Zeus with Leda, she created either one or two eggs. As we can understand she could not place one egg on Pefnos island and the other somewhere else. Like in nature, all the animals that produce eggs, they do it to their own specific nest and they dont put eggs here and there. 

So we can understand that definitely Leda put the egg (or eggs) on Pefnos island, since Dioscuri were born there. So this is the place from our previous question, the place that the egg (or eggs) were created. 

Pausanias saw a small statue of Dioscuri on Pefnos island ( http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0160%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26%3Asection%3D3 ): "In this little island there are bronze statues of the Dioscuri, a foot high, in the open air. The sea will not move them, though in winter-time it washes over the rock, which is wonderful. Also the ants here have a whiter color than is usual. The Messenians say that this district was originally theirs, and so they think that the Dioscuri belong to them rather than to the Lacedaemonians." As we can read in his text the Messenian people claimed that Dioscuri belonged to them rather than to the Spartians (Lacedaemonians). And thats the reason they put Dioscuri statue on the island, because Dioscuri were gods of war and the locals were always wild and war-friendly in these areas. Helen was not of much interest for them, thats why they didnt care to put a statue or even mention anything about her.

The most important is that since the Greek ministry of culture officially claims that Helen was born on this island ( https://www.culture.gov.gr/el/Information/SitePages/view.aspx?nID=3432 and a translation from another website here: https://www.athina984.gr/en/2020/08/25/egkainia-toy-mnimeioy-ton-dioskoyron-sti-duyiki-mani/ ), wikipedia cannot ignore this. I think that at least we should mention this on the page of Helen.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kavouras55|contribs]]) 12:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Wikipedia can't simply assert that Helen was born on Pefnos. The most we can ever do, in this regard, is to report where ancient accounts ''said'' she was born. However, no ancient report is explicit about where that was supposed to have been. The most we have is conjecture based upon inferences drawn from several different ancient sources, that, in at least one version of the story, she might have been thought to have been born on the island of Pefnos. And for Wikipedia to assert even the possibility of the existence of such a legend, would require [[WP:RS|"Reliable sources"]], which I don't think we have here. Otherwise, no matter how valid and convincing such conjecture might seem to you or me, it is not appropriate for Wikipedia (see [[WP:OR|Wikipedia's policy on "Original research"]]). [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Mr Paul,
I just communicated with the professor and he gave me one of the ancient reports that proves Helen came from Pephnos. The ancient poet [[Lycophron]] on his poem "Alexandra", describes Helen as "Pephnaian bitch" (in Greek: "Πεφναίας κυνός") (Lykophron: Alexandra, by Simon Hornblower, Oxford University Press, page 143: "I see the winged firebrand rushing to snatch the dove, the Pephnaian bitch, which the aquatic vulture gave birth to, encased in a round covering of shell.")
You can see the book here: https://books.google.gr/books?id=NprxCQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
On the cite 87 (page 142) the writer explains what the "Pephnaian bitch" means: 
"87. Πεφναίας κυνός: these words are best separated off by commas, as by Hurst/Kolde: Helen is both dove (Aphrodite's bird) and Pephnaian bitch (i.e. sexually shameless, a description applied by Helen to herself more than once, e.g. Il 6.344; cf.  850, and for the two passages see Sistakou 2009: 242). For Pephnos in Messenia see IACP: p. 551 (G.Shipley); more fully at Shipley 1997: 266-7; Barr. map 58 C4, on the river Pamison between Thalamos and Leuktron. The Spartan poet Alkman (PMGF 23), cited by Paus. 3.26.2, says the Dioskouroi (Helen's brothers) were born there; this makes the ethnic appropriate as a way of designating Helen of Sparta (Σ adds that she set out from there); cf. Ghali-Kahil 1955: 207. This ethnic therefore drops an advance hint of the long Dioskouroi section at 503-568."
Please tell me your opinion. Best regards.

:Thanks for Hornblower's note to Lycophron, ''''Alexandra'' 87. Given that note, together with Pausanias, [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0160%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26%3Asection%3D2 3.26.2], I think we might now be justified in asserting the following:

::[[Pausanias (geographer)|Pausanias]] also says that there was a local tradition that Helen's brothers, the [[Dioscuri]], were born on the island of [[Pefnos]], adding that the Spartan poet [[Alcman]] also said this,<ref>[[Pausanias (geographer)|Pausanias]], [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0160%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26%3Asection%3D2 3.26.2].</ref> while the poet [[Lycophron]]'s use of the adjective "Pephaian" (''Πεφναίας'') in association with Helen, suggests that Lycophron may have known a tradition which held that Helen was also born on the island.<ref>Hornblower, [https://books.google.com/books?id=NprxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA142 p. 142]; [[Lycophron]], ''Alexandra'' 87.</ref>
:[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:51, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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My pleasure to help on this, Mr Paul. I totally agree with the way you described the referrings to the ancient poets (Alcamn, Lycophron) and traveller (Pausanias). I suggest if we add as cites, an opinion article of the professor of Archaeology Petros Themelis on a Messenean newspaper, describing the myth of birth of Helen in a very poetic way: https://eleftheriaonline.gr/local/politismos/item/222736-me-aformi-to-avgo-tis-lidas-stin-pefno-i-gennisi-tis-oraias-elenis-kai-i-optikopoiisi-tis-mnimis The only problem is that its in Greek, but i think the professor can translate it in English and publish it again on the newspaper.
Also may we add the official press release of the Greek ministry of Culture and Sports, which describes the myth and adds an official verification of the modern Greek state: https://www.culture.gov.gr/el/Information/SitePages/view.aspx?nID=3432 .The problem is that this is also only in Greek.
Best regards

:I think the sources provided above (Hornblower, [https://books.google.com/books?id=NprxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA142 p. 142]; [[Lycophron]], ''Alexandra'' 87; [[Pausanias (geographer)|Pausanias]], [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0160%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26%3Asection%3D2 3.26.2]) are sufficient for Wikipedia's purposes. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

You are right Mr Paul, i agree on this. The only think i would like to add is a photo of the sculpture placed on Pefnos island, a marble egg depicting swan/Zeus with Leda. Hope you agree on this.
Best regards [[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55|talk]]) 14:30, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Mr Paul, should i post the text you proposed or would you like to post it?
Best regards [[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55|talk]]) 14:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

:I'll post it, thanks. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:29, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks for the constructive dialogue we had.
Best regards [[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55|talk]]) 14:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

:I've now posted a (slightly modified) version of what I wrote above. Note I did not add the image you've suggested, since I don't think it is appropriate here. Please be aware that other editors may disagree with this addition to the article. Also, in that regard, I am going to copy this discussion to that article's "talk page": [[Talk:Helen of Troy]], so that there is a record of this discussion there, and so that other editors can read and perhaps comment on it. If you wish to contribute anything further to this discussion please do so there, thanks. And thanks again for contributing to Wikipedia. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again Mr Paul, glad i could help.
Best regards [[User:Kavouras55|Kavouras55]] ([[User talk:Kavouras55|talk]]) 16:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

== Assistance with an Article for Creation ==

Hello Paul August!

First of all, my name is Calvin, and I am currently working on my first ever Article for Creation! I come to your talk page to ask for assistance with said AfC, and I found your user page by reading the list of active administrators on Wikipedia! I also read through your user page and you seem to be a very thoughtful and helpful editor. I am here to ask for help with the article for Kurt Kerns ([[Draft:Kurt Kerns]]) who was a member of the rock band [[Gravity Kills]] and since then has gone on to become a notable architect.

The Article for Creation has hit numerous blocks for not passing notability guidelines, and just recently the editor that Rejected the draft told me that he was not convinced, and I should try to ask another editor for their opinion. I would love for you to take a look at the page if you have time and let me know what you think! If you look at the draft's talk page, you can see the dialogue I had with the other editor about the AfC meeting the WP:AUTHOR guidelines, and his reasoning for Rejecting. I do not agree with the editor's reasonings, and I am interested in what you think of this issue.

Any assistance would be much appreciated, and I look forward to receiving your input. Thank you!

[[User:Calvinfoss|Calvin Foss]] ([[User talk:Calvinfoss|talk]]) 20:16, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

:Hi Calvin. I'm sorry that your proposed AfC was rejected. I had a brief look at your draft, and the associated discussion. Unfortunately I have no expertise, and little interest in this topic area. However, although notability is inherently somewhat subjective, it is not clear to me that the subject of your draft has received the "significant coverage" required to meet Wikipedia's [[WP:GNG|"General notability guideline"]]. Note that, as that guideline also points out:
::"If a topic does not meet these criteria but still has some verifiable facts, it might be useful to discuss it within another article. "
:So you might consider trying to incorporate some of this content into other articles.
:Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

== Thank you ==
Hi! You're right about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Periboea&type=revision&diff=977873023&oldid=977813480 this]. I just noted that this IP editor has been unjustifiably removing content for some time and reverted several of their edits. I shouldn't have reverted that one though. --[[User:Omnipaedista|Omnipaedista]] ([[User talk:Omnipaedista|talk]]) 14:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
:No problem. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:46, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

== Thales ==

I think the article on Thales could use some work. Not being a historian, I don't know how exactly to do it. I've added a section in that article's talk page detailing what I think doesn't fit well. It'd be nice for you to drop in there. I'm new on Wiki and you're one of only two historians I know here, and have repeatedly seen making good edits, so I thought I'd ask you. Hope you don't mind... [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] ([[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI|talk]]) 04:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

== Re: Zagreus ==

You stated, "Sources establish the existence of Zagreus as a character, but no sources given which establish any particular relevance, significance and notability with respect to the article's subject." What sources, in your opinion, would establish particular relevance, significance and notability with respect to the article's subject? Other pages about the Greek deities contain sections on their depictions/receptions in modern culture.<small><span class="autosigned">—[[User:Claym-45|Claym-45]] ([[User talk:Claym-45|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Claym-45|contribs]]) 16:24, 21 September 2020‎ (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Signing-->
:Hi Claym. We would need some source which, in discussing the Greek god Zagreus, mentions the character in the video game as being a particularly relevant/significant for the understanding of the god, or is a particularly noteworthy example, say, of the gods continuing importance. For quidelines on such matters see [[WP:TRIVIA]], and in particular [[MOS:POPCULT]]. As for other articles, see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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== Homotopy analysis method ==
Regarding the lemma homotopy analysis method, I have found one older publication from 1989, in which the method is used [https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/783493?ln=en] early than any other reference. Do you think, that it should be incorporated/quoted into the lemma?  Bg, [[User:Warboerde|Warboerde]] ([[User talk:Warboerde|talk]]) 17:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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== Case that slipped under the radar ==

Hi, Paul - would you please close [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1050#Casting_aspersions,_personal_attacks_from_Normal_Op this case?] It was archived with the indef t-ban being imposed. Thx in advance. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 15:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
:{{yo|Atsme}} I would recommend that you move that discussion from the Archive, back to the original page, adding a request that it be closed (closing such things is not really my cup of tea, but I may give it a look if I can find the time). [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
::{{yo|Atsme}} Well it now looks like someone else has just moved it back. Adding a comment/request for closer, should keep it from being automatically archived again. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:59, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Atsme}} Actually Rhododendrites, when they moved that discussion back to the main page, they added a DNAU (DoNotArchiveUntil) template, which prevents it from being automatically archived. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
::::Thank you, Paul - I see that it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Casting_aspersions,_personal_attacks_from_Normal_Op handled]. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 16:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
:::::Good. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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== An editor ==

As an administrator I would like to bring to your attention the great irony of the 12:01, 23 November 2020 edit to [[Polyphemus]] (I do not know how to link directly), as well as the perceived unwarranted hostility toward myself from that editor. This latter is exemplified by the reversion being performed ''because of who performed the preceding edit''. The editor which I point to, as you may be aware, has before now quasi-vandalised my talkpage (scrubbed out by a different editor), in addition to quasi-threatening me and ignoring my polite overture concerning the - as perceived by me - wildly unreasonable hostility. The hostility is not a problem, but the editor's behaviour which is goaded by the hostility is a problem. [[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 13:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:If you want other editors to take you seriously, and treat you with respect you shouldn’t make edits like  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyclopes&diff=prev&oldid=986051180 this unconstructive edit]. My advice is to make only constructive edits, and not worry about other editors. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

::Thank you for the advice. But I do not care at all what anybody thinks of me, whether on Wikipedia or elsewhere. My concern was not so much about an editor but rather the edits of an editor. There is evidently a strange clique which curls around the classical pages of which you are an editor of authority therein, and I accordingly thought that you might want to imply that the hostile editor is an ass, to thereby soothe his sweet soul, and let Wikipedia go on unimpeded by the unconstructive edits such as the one I brought here (for the tag which I placed there, which was removed, is quite an applicable tag). For I am a thing of much benevolence and desire most acutely the soothing of a sweet soul. But if I told the editor that the editor is being an ass, this would not be a sweetness. From you it would be a sweetness. But I will trouble you no more on the matter, for I am not an editor taken seriously nor respected. Alas. [[User:Untitled50reg|Untitled50reg]] ([[User talk:Untitled50reg|talk]]) 22:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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== Jiminy Cricket ==

Paul, you're so organized!!  You even have a "Work queue"! I'm lucky to have Siri remind me about appointments, and to set the timer so I'll remember to turn-off the heat when I'm hard boiling eggs - (trust me, you don't want to burn all the water out of the pan when you're boiling eggs). That's as organized as I get anymore these days!! My wardrobe is pretty organized because of the COVID-19 lockdown - I have night pajamas on the right and day pajamas on the left. The Cheetos are on the middle shelf next to the cashews and beer nuts. [[File:SMirC-angel.svg|x20px|0:)]] [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 17:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
:I have a work queue yes, but it just keeps growing. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Happy 2021 ==

You'll have noticed that I moved the discussion to which you have lately contributed a query to its proper place at [[The Walnut Tree]]. Best wishes for a safe and productive New Year! [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 06:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{yo|Sweetpool50}} Felix novus annus.

== Titanomachy (epic poem) ==

Thanks for undoing on Titanomachy (epic poem). I'm a bit curious, based on the references, shouldn't it be known that Zeus comes from outside Greece and not Greece?
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:I don't understand what you mean. What "references"? Why do you say Zeus does not come from Greece? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 02:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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I was reverting a bad edit. this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000944392
I reverted it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000944462 

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How can I avoid this problem and how can I remove the warnings from my talk page? [[User:Oxforder|Oxforder]] ([[User talk:Oxforder|talk]]) 19:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Materialscientist}} is not a bot. Why do you think so? The edit to [[Row hammer]] that you reverted, removed some questionable and unsourced text. That's not vandalism.  What makes you think it was? Materialscientist reverted your edit because you failed to provide a reliable source for the content you were adding back. There is nothing inappropriate about that. The other edit was perhaps a mistake, you should just ask Materialscientist on their talk page. As for the posts on your talk page, you can just remove them. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Greek mythology Featured article review ==
I have nominated [[Greek mythology]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Greek mythology/archive2|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]])  18:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
:I will take a look. However, a thorough review of that article would be an enormous job. And I am just qualified to know that we have few (if any) editors qualified to do it. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

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:*A [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#RfC: Deprecate criterion a. from F7|request for comment]] is in progress to remove [[WP:CSD#F7|F7]] (invalid fair-use claim) [[WP:CSD#F7a|subcriterion a]], which covers immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
:*A [[Wikipedia talk:Page mover/delete-redirect#RFC on granting delete-redirect to page movers|request for comment]] seeks to grant [[Wikipedia:Page mover|page movers]] the {{code|delete-redirect}} userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.  The full proposal is at [[Wikipedia:Page mover/delete-redirect]].
:*A [[Wikipedia talk:General sanctions/Coronavirus disease 2019#RfC on use of COVID-19 editnotice|request for comment]] asks if sysops may {{tq|place the General sanctions/Coronavirus disease 2019 editnotice template on pages in scope that do not have page-specific sanctions}}?
:*There is a [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) #Pending-changes protection of Today's featured article|discussion in progress]] concerning automatic protection of each day's featured article with [[WP:PC|Pending Changes]] [[WP:PCPP|protection]].

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:*There have been [[Special:Permalink/1009602172#Pending Changes again|a number]] of [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_187#Unable_to_set_Pending_Changes|reported issues]] with [[WP:PC|Pending Changes]].  Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved ([[phab:T273317]]) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist ([[phab:T275322]]).

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:*The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan|Kurds and Kurdistan]] case was [[Special:Permalink/1008479504#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan closed|closed]], [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Standard discretionary sanctions|authorizing]] [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Discretionary sanctions|standard discretionary sanctions]] for {{tq|the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed}}.

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== Adrasteia ==

Hello Paul August--you have access to JSTOR, right? I typed in the name and got plenty of hits; if you don't and you'd like me to email you some material, please let me know. Have a great day, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
:I do have access to JSTOR, thanks. Will check there (eventually). I'd be interested in knowing any particularly useful titles you've found. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

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:*Following a [[Wikipedia talk:Page mover/delete-redirect#RFC on granting delete-redirect to page movers|request for comment]], [[Wikipedia:Page mover|page movers]] were granted the {{code|delete-redirect}} userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

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== Pee ef pee ==

[[User:Pee ef pee]] has had their user name reported at [[WP:UAA]]. I thought I saw constructive edits, but then I saw your "only warning". I was wondering what prompted that. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 19:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{yo|Deepfriedokra}} Hmmm ... Unfortunately I don't remember the cirmcumstance here. The "warning" was apparently in response to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pelasgians&diff=prev&oldid=995043920 this edit], which is primarily pro Albanian POV pushing. What that edit does is to add the unsourced statement that:
:: "genetic links between Albanians and [[Pre-Indo-Europeans]] are fairly strong"
:and at the same time essentially delete, in the subsequent note, the following:
::"Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and [[Bernd Jürgen Fischer]], editors of ''Albanian Identities: Myth and History'', present papers resulting from the London Conference held in 1999 entitled "The Role of Myth in the History and Development of Albania." The "Pelasgian" myth of Albanians as the most ancient community in southeastern Europe is among those explored in Noel Malcolm's essay, "Myths of Albanian National Identity: Some Key Elements, As Expressed in the Works of Albanian Writers in America in the Early Twentieth Century".
:replacing those two senetences with the sentence fragment:
::"Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and [[Bernd Jürgen]]"
:which deletes some opposing (apparently sourced) POV, misnames one of the editors (intentionally?), and mangles the note.
:However, unless the name change was intentional, this isn't really vandalism, so that particular warning now looks inappropriate to me. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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:*[[WP:DESYSOP2021|The 2021 Desysop Policy RfC]] was closed with no consensus. [[WP:DESYSOP2019|Consensus was found in a previous RfC]] for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.

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:*The user group <code>oversight</code> will be renamed to <code>suppress</code>. This is for [[phab:T109327|technical reasons]]. You can comment at {{phab|T112147}} if you have objections.

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== Cyclopic rambling ==

I was about to ask you if severe pruning of the final section of [[Cyclopes]] might not be in order, but you have already stepped in. I've cut it down even further so that it remains focussed on the proper subject. Hopefully Madreterra won't make an issue of it, but his editing history doesn't look reassuring. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 13:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
:Your changes look fine. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

== "Accurate titles" ==

What you have done {{diff||1026172114||here}} is very strange. Neither of the titles is "accurate" (see the scan [https://archive.org/details/odysseywithengli02home here], for example), and "PH.D. in two volumes" is meaningless anyway. Plus, besides these two titles where I had slightly edited punctuation (this by itself is generally perfectly allowed), that edit included many more legitimate changes, so reverting it completely was at least [[WP:REVERT#Before reverting|not polite]]. So I'm restoring my edit. If you have any concerns, please edit only what is needed (which we can discuss, if you want). — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 20:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
:{{yo|Mikhail Ryazanov}} I'm sorry I didn't mean to be impolite. You changed the title of four works in the references section (incorrectly in my view) and correctly added three periods to the end of three of the works. So the easiest thing to me seemed to be to revert your edit, and add back the three periods, which is what I did. So in effect I ''did'' change "only what is needed". As for the titles:
:*Hard's book, has "H.J. Rose"  in the title not "H. J. Rose". This is how it is printed in the copy of the book I own which I used as a reference, see also: [https://www.worldcat.org/title/routledge-handbook-of-greek-mythology-based-on-hj-roses-handbook-of-greek-mythology/oclc/905768523&referer=brief_results WorldCat]. So I think that should be changed back. Do you disagree?
:*As for the the other three titles they were take (perhaps incorrectly) from [https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D1%3Acard%3D1 here], [https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0136%3Abook%3D1%3Acard%3D1 here], and [https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg034.perseus-eng1 here]. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 22:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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:: Normalizing punctuation and formatting to conform to the house style is in fact [[MOS:TITLECONFORM|recommended]]. English Wikipedia generally uses [[MOS:INITIALS|spaced initials with periods]]. For the Murray books, I have inserted links to their scans (at the Internet Archive) to the article, so you can check how these titles actually look in these books. For the Hard's book, look carefully at its title (I did at [https://books.google.com/books?id=r1Y3xZWVlnIC&printsec=frontcover Google Books], already linked in the article){{snd}} it, for example, does not have the quotation marks and the colon, but does have a space between the initials (on the cover, although not on the title page{{snd}} however, in the text they also don't space any initials, so this is ''their'' house style) and very different capitalization and italics. So there is no reason to copy titles verbatim from the books themselves or from any third-party catalogs, because if we do so, the references section will be a crazy mix of incompatible formats. — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 23:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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I am in no way making light of the broader situation. But I just wanted to let you know, when I saw your response, I was laughing out loud. You well hoisted me by my own petard, and I well-deserved it. I was sitting there, waiting to see when "someone" would propose actual text so we could dive in an see if we could get something to work. I hadn't even thought that that someone could/should be me...lol

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I know other stuff is going on. But just thought I'd let you know.

I "proposed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=1038109692 something]". - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 15:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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I've recast the table of offspring and mothers in [[Hermes]] much as I did at [[Ares]] and now I may I understand your concerns at [[Talk:Ares#Kids' table]] a bit better. I found what seems to be really poor use of poor primary sources and began to see how widespread it might be. I've described a couple of examples at [[Talk:Hermes#Offspring, mothers and sources]] but I'm still wondering if we might need a centralised discussion at say [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome]] or similar, because cleaning this up could take a lot of tagging and/or deletion, and I don't fancy trying to produce long forensic explanations for each one. (To be honest, I don't fancy making a career of it at all.) I haven't been editing in this area long and I don't know what current attitudes are to what seems to be long-established use of primary sources for classical mythology and even history. Do you see a way forward? [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 22:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:I will take a look at [[Talk:Hermes]]. Using untranslated primary sources is useful, but never sufficient. However using translations of primary sources is sufficient for citing what the primary source ''says'', but not for what the primary source ''means''. So, for example, if the translation says that A was the father of B, then citing the translation for that assertion is fine. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::I'll look forward to your comments, here or there. There are issues with translation (in the cases I examined. I found Brimo well-translated as Hecate, but another translation might leave it as Brimo and give an editor the impression that was a different goddess; likewise I'd have liked to be pointed to the translation of Tzetzes and I wonder if the editor should instead have cited the secondary source in which they found a mention of Tzetzes on Hermes) but they're not the biggest problem for me. It's the use of bad sources such as the pseudo-clementine Homilies for a claim that may not be found in most secondary sources, for good reason, or the misunderstandings and consequent synthesis on Brimo, or what might be a thorough misreading of Tzetzes. Behind that sits a process of cataloguing in Wikipedia every primary-source mention rather than relying on modern scholarship, leaving the poor reader with a mixture of "mainstream" and distinctly outré mythology. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 13:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Yes, I essentially agree with all that. If a translation of a primary source containing "Brimo", leaves it untranslated, then it would be [[WP:OR]] to cite that translation as a source for some assertion about Hecate. And many citations in Wikipedia to such things as Scholia on such and such, where no secondary source (translation or not) is cited, are coming from non [[WP:RS]] sources (e.g. other Wikipedia articles, or various web sites such as [https://www.theoi.com Theoi.com]). I will try to add some comments at [[Talk:Hermes]], when I find the time. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hello. I noticed you edited one of my more recent edits at [[Selene]], specifically the page number in Keightley from 62 to 56. As I have been informed by [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]], there are several edition of his work; the page I linked (62) is the correct page in Thomas Keightley, Second edition, 1838, though elsewhere in the article the expanded version (paper?), 1877, with Leonhard Schmitz is used (which I did not notice when I first added the link to the other edition), where the correct page is presumably 56 (as this particular edition is not searchable on Google books, so I cannot verify myself). When you edited the article, you changed the page number from 62 to 56, but not the link itself (to the edition where p. 56 is the correct one that is), so it led to a page with irrelevant information for Selene. So that's why I edited it back. Best regards, [[User:Deiadameian|Deiadameian]] ([[User talk:Deiadameian|talk]]) 11:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{yo|Deiadameian}} Hi and thanks for your note. When I changed your page numbers I didn't notice that they were referring (and linking) to a different edition than the one used elsewhere in the article (I should have checked but didn't ;-) As you note, the edition used elsewhere is the fourth edition 1877, edited by Leonhard Schmitz and published by G. Bell and Sons, 1877, and that's the edition listed in the "References" section of the article. I think we should, of course, cite (and link to) the same edition throughout which I think should be the more recent fourth edition. Google Books has versions of the [https://books.google.com/books?id=YhsYAAAAYAAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s 1877 printing], as well as a [https://books.google.com/books?id=yUvmvac6KAMC&source=gbs_navlinks_s 1902 reprinting of the fourth edition]); are you able to see the relevant pages using the Google links given above? Very best regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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== Pamprepius fr. for [[Selene]] ==

You left [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Deiadameian#Pamprepius,_fragment_3? this comment] on {{u|Deiadameian}}'s talk page regarding an alleged fragment of Pamprepius. You seem [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paul_August/Selene#Descriptions to be planning on using]: "... while, in a possible Pamprepius fragment, she is called ..."; I assume you're using the word "possible" because you can't see the book in question that lists it as a Pamprepius fragment. However, I've had a look and I apparently have a 2018 De Gruyter reprint of the 1979 Teubner edition<ref>''Pamprepii Panopolitani carmina'', edited by one Enrico Livrea. {{ISBN|978-3-110-58566-7}}.</ref> of fragments of Pamprepius. The 3rd fragment in that book (p. 16 contains the relevant passage) is the same as what is in LCL 360, pp. 566, 567. I don't know how (or if?) you'd want to cite it, but I thought I'd let you know, as with this we should at least be able to justify calling it a Pamprepius fragment. Regards, [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 08:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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:Thanks for this (please tell me you don't look at ''all'' my edits). However the reason for the "possible" is not to express doubt that this fragment has been listed somewhere as Pamprepius fr. 3 (which you apparently have confirmed, could you send me a copy of the relevant passage in the ''Pamprepii Panopolitani carmina''?), but doubt, as described on LCL 360 pp. 564&ndash;564, as to whether the fragment is actually from a poem by Pamprepius or not. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 02:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
::Ah yes, that makes sense. Regarding the book I'm looking at, there isn't really anything to send as it doesn't contain a translation or anything other than the text in Ancient Greek, which (I've checked) is all the same as what is in the Loeb volume (i.e. the relevant passage is no different to what you're looking at), meaning it should be fine to cite it as "[[Pamprepius]], fr. 3 Livrea" or however you want. (And don't worry, I wouldn't be able to keep up with all the edits you make each day, I just checked to see what you were planning on using.) [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 07:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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== Your reversion error: A groveling apology would be appropriate, but not required. ==

I noticed that you reverted a stray "</ref>" on the article [[Kouros]], restoring the "</ref>" that appears in the text. Your comment on the reversion was "not stray".

At this point, I can only see it as time for harsh words:

Your reversion was an incompetent edit. You did not look carefully before acting, and presumably did not look afterwards to see what effect your action had. If you are going to do something as drastic as reverting other editors changes, you are obliged to do so thoughtfully and carefully. The re-appearance of the un-paired "</ref>" shows that you were neither thoughtful nor careful.

Shape up: Change your mind, change your actions.

And '''''no''''': you do '''''not''''' get a "free pass" to treat anonymous editors with less consideration.
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[[Special:Contributions/71.94.235.196|71.94.235.196]] ([[User talk:71.94.235.196|talk]]) 01:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:You are absolutely correct. I was wrong, you were right, that ''was'' a stray "</ref>". I made that edit in haste. I should have been more careful, and I should have checked the result of my edit. So I'm sorry and I offer the sincerest of apologies. I respect editors who wish to edit anonymously, and although my long experience has taught me to have less confidence in the edits of "IP editors", I know that, nevertheless, such editors can and do make good contributions, and I strive to treat all edits on the merits of their content and not on what I may think about the editor. Certainly I meant no disrespect to you personally (as far as I know everyone makes mistakes, so my thinking you might have made one does not mean anything in particular). Regards [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

::Your well-thought-through apology was very well done, and kudos to you for leaving the post up. Thank you. I definitely respect preserving evidence of a personal error within your own bailiwick. Especially since it is a mild indicator of probable change in mind and action that was the goal of my scold. Reciprocal regards. [[Special:Contributions/71.94.235.196|71.94.235.196]] ([[User talk:71.94.235.196|talk]]) 10:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

== My ham-fisted edit summary... ==

...at [[Satyr]] was meant to say the direct opposite of what it actually says - I meant to justify the restoration of the Macrobius material, not its removal :(  [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:Well, yes it was a bit confusing, but nevertheless I got what you meant. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

== About your revision in the Satyr section ==

"This remark by Macrobius is historically noteworthy, if nothing else. And, of course it's an opinion, that is all we every have in such contexts."

You said this in regards to your revision. But this isn't really noteworthy, that is just in your opinion. 
You acknowledge that the Marcobius quote is just an opinion, and so is everything else in contexts apparently. But this specifically stands out as it makes the least amount of sense, because unlike every thing else being said about the race, this one doesn't add up at all. It again: is just in theory. 

Searching the words "Saturn and Satyr" on google leads you to just see that one dumb phrasing by the wiki that isn't even accurate saying something about "Saturn + Satyr = Penis". This is the only place that says this in theory. Think about it. In comparison to the other connections there, this one doesn't even matter nor really contribute to anything. Please see reason so that it isn't a thing people try to use for themselves when it comes to other media when people google this. Unlike before, as of now when you google it, you get the general information instead of the whole "Saturn + Satyr = Penis" irrelavancy: https://files.catbox.moe/2063nr.PNG

::I've left a "Welcome" message on the user's talk-page, highlighting relevant issues. [[User:Haploidavey|Haploidavey]] ([[User talk:Haploidavey|talk]]) 13:39, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:{{yo|Netero10}} Hello! That Macrobius, a 5th-century Roman poet, thought that the words "Saturn" and "Satyr" were derived from the Greek word for penis is a fact (based upon the cited source: Riggs 2014, [https://books.google.com/books?id=PHbeCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA234 p. 234]). There is no way to know for certain how ''any'' words were derived, but Macrobius's opinion on this&mdash;even if incorrect&mdash;is noteworthy (and that's not just my opinion, but also the opinion of the cited source, and now another Wikipedia editor {{u|Haploidavey}}, who has also reverted your edit). Your statement that the article is saying that "Saturn + Satyr = Penis" is simply not true!

:Wikipedia is a ''collaborative'' process, and content is achieved through consensus. Since two editors now disagree with your removal there is currently no consensus for your proposed change to the article. If you still think you are right, then you can begin a discussion about this on the article's talk page: [[Talk:Satyr]], where all editors can discuss this issue and we can try to build a consensus for any appropriate changes to the article. Please don't insist on your version of the article, by simply repeating your edit after being reverted by other editors, doing so can lead to your editing privileges being removed (See [[WP:EDITWAR]]).

:Best wishes, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:15, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


:{{yo|Paul August}} How is it noteworthy when it does not really pertain to anything? It's not even correct information, but something speculatory. Thoughts. There's no benefit from that when learning about the lore of Satyr. All of that being said, even it being in favor of Marcobius, its just hypothetical and like I said (as you may have '''ignored''') when you google Saturn and Satyr, that's exactly the impression both of you and Haploid's edit is going to give. Because there are other iterations in media. If it wasn't saying "Saturn + Satyr meant Penis" or was drawn from the word Penis vice versa, then sure I don't really mind it staying there and won't just continue to edit it. Perhaps you should just make it more specific and say that it was in theory and was just an opinion being made. This really shouldn't be something to be so attatched to. This isn't about Marcobius after all, it's about Satyr.  [[User:Netero10|Netero10]] 15:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
:*[[Wikipedia_talk:Revision_deletion#Proposal_to_remove_"attribution"_clauses_from_RD1|A RfC is open]] to change the wording of [[Wikipedia:Revision deletion|revision deletion criterion 1]] to remove the sentence relating to non-infringing contributions.
:*[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Proposal_to_ban_draftifying_articles_more_than_90_days_old_without_consensus|A RfC is open]] to discuss prohibiting draftification of articles over 90 days old.

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:*The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at [[Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project]]. ({{phab|T296645}})
:*[[Special:Nuke]] will now allow the selection of standard deletion reasons to be used when mass-deleting pages. This was a [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Admins and patrollers/Mass-delete to offer drop-down of standard reasons, or templated reasons.|Community Wishlist Survey request]] from 2022. ({{phab|T25020}})
:*The ability to undelete the talk page when undeleting a page using [[Special:Undelete]] or the API will be added soon. This change [[:m:Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/(Un)delete_associated_talk_page|was requested in the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey]]. ({{phab|T295389}})

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:*[[Special:Permalink/1070147969#Discretionary_sanctions_topic_area_changes|Several unused discretionary sanctions and article probation remedies]] have been rescinded. This follows the community feedback from the [[WP:DS2021|2021 Discretionary Sanctions review]].

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
:* The 2022 appointees for the [[:m:Ombuds commission|Ombuds commission]] are [[m:User:Érico|Érico]], [[m:User:Faendalimas|Faendalimas]], [[m:User:Galahad|Galahad]], [[m:User:Infinite0694|Infinite0694]], [[m:User:Mykola7|Mykola7]], [[m:User:Olugold|Olugold]], [[m:User:Udehb|Udehb]] and [[m:User:Zabe|Zabe]] as regular members and [[m:User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] and [[m:User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] as advisory members.
:* Following the [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2022|2022 Steward Elections]], the following editors have been appointed as stewards: [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2022/Statements/AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]], [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2022/Statements/BRPever|BRPever]], [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2022/Statements/Hasley|Hasley]], [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2022/Statements/TheresNoTime|TheresNoTime]], and [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2022/Statements/Vermont|Vermont]].
:*The 2022 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Results|Community Wishlist Survey results]] have been published alongside [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey/Updates/2022 results#leaderboard|the ranking of prioritized proposals]].
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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
*[[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Request for comment on administrator activity requirements|An RfC is open]] proposing a change to the minimum [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Procedural_removal_for_inactive_administrators|activity requirements for administrators]].

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* Access to [[Special:RevisionDelete]] has been expanded to include users who have the <code>deletelogentry</code> and <code>deletedhistory</code> rights. This means that those in the [[Special:ListUsers/researcher|Researcher]] user group and [[Special:ListUsers/checkuser|Checkusers]] who are not administrators can now access [[Special:RevisionDelete]]. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. ({{phab|T301928}})
* When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on [[Special:Undelete]] a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. ({{phab|T284114}})

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
*{{section link|Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Opening_of_proceedings}} has been updated to reflect current practice following a [[Special:Permalink/1079905119#Opening_of_proceedings_amendment|motion]].
*A arbitration case regarding [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Skepticism and coordinated editing|Skepticism and coordinated editing]] has been closed.
*A arbitration case regarding [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/WikiProject Tropical Cyclones|WikiProject Tropical Cyclones]] has been opened.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
*Voting for the [[meta:Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting|Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines]] has closed, and the [[:meta:Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_guidelines/Voting/Results|results]] were that 56.98% of voters supported the guidelines. The results of this vote mean the [https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/ Wikimedia Foundation Board] will now review the guidelines.
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== Help with Admin 3RR noticeboard ==

Sorry to trouble you, but I've just had a report at the 3RR noticeboard booted back for insufficient formatting. I'm helplessly untechy and went next to their specimen report and made an even greater hash of that, which I haven't dared post. I wonder if you could guide me thru my failed attempt -
'''Page:''' {{la|A. E. Housman}} <br />
'''User being reported:''' {{U|Galileeblack }}

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A._E._Housman&oldid=1080627520

'''Previous version reverted to:'''
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A._E._Housman&oldid=1081189093]
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A._E._Housman&oldid=1081189093]
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A._E._Housman&oldid=1081298738]
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A._E._Housman&oldid=1081302486]

'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Galileeblack&oldid=1081347814 

'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:'''  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:A._E._Housman&oldid=1081246595 

'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Galileeblack&oldid=1081586065]

I'd be very grateful for your guidance. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 20:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

:Am a bit busy right now irl. I will look into this when I get a change. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

::Thanks. Could you perhaps put the reply on my Talk Page? [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 20:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Sweetpool50}} Hi Sweetpool50, sorry I'm only just now able to look at this. Is this still current? It looks to me like you tried to "roll your own" report rather than clicking on the button "Click here to create a new report" at the top of that page ([[WP:AN3]]). Consequently your report was declined by {{u|Bbb23}} as "malformed". If you still want to pursue this you should try clicking on the button and:
:::1. Replace "<nowiki><!-- Place the name of the user you are reporting here --></nowiki>"  with "Galileeblack" (there are two instances of this).
:::2. Replace "<nowiki><!-- Place name of article here --></nowiki>" with "A. E. Housman".
:::3. Replace the various instances of "[diff]" and "[link]" by the appropriate diffs and links.
:::4. Add any comments after the "Comments" section, and sign your name.
:::Note: I'm replying here (with a ping) to keep the discussion all in one place (I'll also put a pointer to this reply on your talk page). [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::No, it was immediately declined again by the same editor - I don't know what I did wrong this time! [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 16:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{yo|Sweetpool50}} No what? Your second attempt still had several errors. In particular the field "'''User being reported:'''", also no link in the field "'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:'''" You could see this by comparing your report with, for example, the one right above it. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 02:51, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

== Your recent reversions of my spam removal ==

Hello Paul August,
 
I noticed you reverting my removal of links to demonax.info. demonax.info links to copyrighted material per [[WP:LINKVIO]]. Please unrevert my edits. [[User:Carchasm|&#32;- car chasm]] ([[User talk:Carchasm|talk]]) 22:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

*I noticed you're linking to demonax on your own user page as well - maybe you want to remove that? [[User:Carchasm|&#32;- car chasm]] ([[User talk:Carchasm|talk]]) 22:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::Your Edit summaries mentioned [[WP:lINKSPAM]] not [[WP:LINKVIO]]. Did you check to see if the links to the works removed are under copyright? I doubt that they all are. If you did check then you can go ahead an remove them. As for links to demonax home page, since there are no copyrighted texts on that page, there would be no violation of copyright. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 23:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:::The main ones I noticed were links to Demosthenes' Speeches and a few fragment collections that were published after 1927 from [[Loeb Classical Library]]. I think they are in that ambiguous zone for copyright, but I think we generally err on the side of caution there (?) while a lot of sites don't. Also my main motivation for removing the links is that they were all added by one user, [[User:Fredmond4]] back in 2013, which made me very suspicious about the purpose of adding them - it looked very promotional.
:::It seems to me that if the website stores copyrighted material though, we probably shouldn't link to it at all? I'm not sure what the official policy there is, but given it appears to be somebody's personal web page I figured linking to it wasn't the best either way. [[User:Carchasm|&#32;- car chasm]] ([[User talk:Carchasm|talk]]) 23:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Specifically, the policy on [[WP:LINKSPAM]] that I was following was "Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam. Although the specific links may be allowed under some circumstances, repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed." [[User:Carchasm|&#32;- car chasm]] ([[User talk:Carchasm|talk]]) 23:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I believe many of the works you've removed links to are in the public domain, so OK to link to. (I think that it probably true for most of the works on Demonax). Not linking to any website which might contain copyrighted somewhere on it, would mean not linking ''any'' websites, including Wikipedia. As for spam regardless of the motives of the original linker, these links are not spam, they are extremely valuable links. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 23:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::: Hmmm - I see your point on the copyright there that we would be too exclusive there. I wonder about the value in ''every'' case: it looks like it's just linking to plain text versions of the texts? I suppose that ''is'' valuable if we don't have any links to wikisource, etc. though. Before I considered the copyright angle I did think also that they'd get added back (by someone other than the [[WP:SPA]]) if they were needed - I went directly from that user's contribution to find demonax links so any that were added by someone else weren't touched. But if you want to revert any of the others that don't link to copyrighted material, I don't have any concerns anymore now that we've discussed it. I'll also stop removing them entirely. :). [[User:Carchasm|&#32;- car chasm]] ([[User talk:Carchasm|talk]]) 23:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::::{{yo|Carchasm}} I'm reviewing these link removals, and restoring any that I presume to be in the Public Domain. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:26, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== New administrator activity requirement ==

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* Following an [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Request for comment on administrator activity requirements|RfC]], a change has been made to the [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Procedural removal for inactive administrators|administrators inactivity policy]]. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
* Following a [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 47#Request for comment on Bureaucrat activity requirements|discussion]] on the [[WP:BN|bureaucrat's noticeboard]], a change has been made to the [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Inactive bureaucrat accounts|bureaucrats inactivity policy]].

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* The ability to undelete the associated talk page when undeleting a page has been added. This was the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Admins and patrollers/(Un)delete associated talk page|11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey]].
* A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/St_Christopher#Single-purpose_accounts_restrained|Remedy 2]] of the ''St Christopher'' case has been rescinded following a [[Special:Permalink/1084812241#St Christopher|motion]]. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article [[St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine]] or related pages from those pages.

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== Happy Adminship Anniversary! ==

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::OK, OK. Thanks all! [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 02:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – June 2022 ==

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* Several areas of improvement collated from [[:m:Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting/Results|community member votes]] have been identified in the [[:m:Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines|Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines]]. The areas of improvement have been sent back for review and you are [[:m:Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Revision discussions/Announcement|invited to provide input]] on these areas.

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* Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access [[Special:Block]] directly from user pages. ({{phab|T307341}})
* The [[:m:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/IP Info feature|IP Info feature]] has been [[:m:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/IP Info feature#May 24, 2022|deployed]] to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under {{myprefs|Beta features}}. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
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== GA reassessment for First Macedonian War ==

[[First Macedonian War]] has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Talk:First Macedonian War/GA1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 15:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== Lucius Artorius Castus talk page ==

Thanks Paul for your contribution. I undid your edits on the archived talk page because we can have the history. I restore your edits in the original talk page after the reverting of Gwinn. [[User:Emryswledig|Emryswledig]] ([[User talk:Emryswledig|talk]]) 11:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
:{{yo|Emryswledig}} A given discussion should occur only once, either on the talk page itself, or in the archives, not both at once. Since I had copied the archived discussions from the archive to the talk page, I deleted them from the archive. But since my edits were reverted I don't intend to take further action there. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 20:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::I am sorry that our new information on Castus is frowned upon by some users. I think our theory is worth being mentioned. Thanks. [[User:Emryswledig|Emryswledig]] ([[User talk:Emryswledig|talk]]) 10:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
:::''"I think our theory is worth being mentioned"'' - That's not up to you to unilaterally decide! This is not how Wikipedia is supposed to work - otherwise we would have complete chaos here. Linda Malcor's books and papers have received many scholarly reviews, almost universally negative; a smattering of the more notable ones have been posted to the [[Lucius Artorius Castus]] Talk page and are available to view in the [[Talk:Lucius Artorius Castus/Archive 1#Edit War instigated by Linda Malcor and her co-authors|Archive]]. Your co-authored paper with Linda, "Missing Pieces...", thus far has received only one scholarly review (by Bradley Skeen, Journal of Indo-European Studies, 48, 2020, p. 61ff.) and it is devastating. The fact is, you and Linda are fringe authors pushing fringe theories on Wikipedia, which is not allowed, per WP's policies on [[Wikipedia:Fringe theories|FRINGE THEORIES]] and [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources and undue weight|UNDUE WEIGHT]]. [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:CF40:2EDB:FD0A:F611:3ED1:3529|2603:8000:CF40:2EDB:FD0A:F611:3ED1:3529]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:CF40:2EDB:FD0A:F611:3ED1:3529|talk]]) 14:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

My talk page is ''not'' the place to have this discussions, that is what article talk pages are for! Please take this there. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

:You're right Paul. I'm sorry for this insane anonymous user who doesn't want to log in. Please delete this section. Thanks again. [[User:Emryswledig|Emryswledig]] ([[User talk:Emryswledig|talk]]) 21:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
:Paul, user Emryswledig is using the talk page of the Lucius Artorius Castus article for nothing more than ad hominem rants against other user - it's hardly acceptable to allow that content to remain on the page, especially in light of [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|WP's policy against ad hominem attacks, personal attacks, aspersions, et al]]. [[User:M.Aurelius.Viator|M.Aurelius.Viator]] ([[User talk:M.Aurelius.Viator|talk]]) 22:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
::I'm using LAC talk page in a correct way.
::User from LA (Viator), you can't remove other user's comments or revert edits of the administrator.
::@[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] said that this isn't the place to have this discussion. No personal attacks.
::Please stop. Use LAC talk page without removing any comments or spamming the same messages everywhere. Thanks. [[User:Emryswledig|Emryswledig]] ([[User talk:Emryswledig|talk]]) 12:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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== Echidna ==

In the article [[Echidna (mythology)]] I took off the picture named "Echidna - Furia alata" because is not an Echidna but a Fury, the name of the picture is wrong, it's only correct the "Furia alata", not the "Echidna". The Echidna in Parco dei Mostri, in Bomarzo (Italy), is near a group of lions, it's for that I changed it. [[User:Enric|Enric]] ([[User talk:Enric|talk]]) 17:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
:{{yo|Enric}} Ah ... I see. If you are sure that photo captioned "Echidna - Furia alata" is not Echidna then you should remove it (giving an edit summary saying so) But I don't think the photograph you replaced it with is needed in the article since a better photo of the Echidna, from the Parco dei Mostri, already exists there, and we don't need two. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 20:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
::OK! I removed it. Since there are no more images of Echidna in the commons category but the one in Parco dei Mostri, I think it's the better option. Best wishes! --[[User:Enric|Enric]] ([[User talk:Enric|talk]]) 21:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Lucius Artorius Castus]] ==
It appears that the archiving edit war on that talk page has, despite your efforts, continued. I came across it while doing RCP and noticed what seems to be several blatant instances of [[WP:OUTING]] being thrown from all sides? I would start an ANI thread but I am currently in no state to try and to process the sheer chaos being strewn across that talk. [[User:Padgriffin|<span style="color: gray">Padgriffin</span>]] [[User Talk:Padgriffin|<sup><span style='color: Orange'>Griffin's Nest</span></sup>]] 16:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
::{{yo|Padgriffin}} Yes that situation needs dealing with, but I hate taking things to [[WP:ANI]]. The [[WP:OUTING]], the edit war, the deleting of other editor's comments, are all serious concerns, not to mention the non-consensual editing and edit warring on the article itself. I am reluctant to administer editorial sanctions myself, for several reasons, but if this keeps up I likely will take ''some'' action, or, of course, some other administrator may decide to   intervene in the mean time. Hopefully, before then, some editorial consensus will emerge (e.g. see just below). [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:Hi, I have made a proposal on the talk page that I hope might resolve the issue. I think the proponents of Malcor's theory just want to have their paper and up coming book referenced. Allowing it in the 'Identification with King Arthur' section may placate them. Keeping the main body of the article for mainstream academic opinion and consensus should placate the other posters. 
:Thus I've suggested their paper followed by Skeen's rebuttal is placed in that section.
:Any reference to their up-coming book, or mine, could follow that. 
:I've tried to simplify the issues in a previous talk section and the proposed new paragraph is concise and avoids long winded explanations.
:I hope this helps
:regards [[User:TonySullivanBooks|TonySullivanBooks]] ([[User talk:TonySullivanBooks|talk]]) 07:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::{{yo|TonySullivanBooks}} Thanks for attempting to resolve things there. It is to be hoped that this, or something like it, will succeed. Otherwise (see just above) some administrative action will probably be required. I would really like to avoid that! [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

== Delete my account ==

Hi Paul,
How can I delete my account on wikipedia or make it inactive?
The user 2603:8000:cf40:2edb:1cf5:d166:9aae:6c70 aka {{redacted}} (blocked) is stalking on my user talk page and he 'spams' everywhere.
Please delete my account since I'm not interested in editing Wikipedia since it is controlled by this user and his friends. Thanks. [[User:Artoriusfadianus|Artoriusfadianus]] ([[User talk:Artoriusfadianus|talk]]) 06:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
:{{yo|Artoriusfadianus}} I'm very sorry that you want to stop contributing to Wikipedia. Perhaps there would be a way to resolve the problems you've been having instead. If you think another editor is harassing you, there are ways of dealing with that, see [[WP:HARASS]]. And please note: no editor (or group of editors) "controls" a Wikipedia article, see [[WP:OWN]]. If you think any editors are violating this Wikipedia policy, then there are ways of dealing with that too. However it is not possible to delete an account, see [[WP:UNC]]. Your account ''could'' be blocked so that it could no longer be used, see [[WP:BLOCK]]. But I don't see the need for that, since you can simply stop using it. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – August 2022 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (July 2022).

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* [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_190#RfC%3A_Showing_Editnotices_to_mobile_editors|An RfC]] has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
* [[Special:Permalink/1099239489#Notability_of_train_stations|An RfC]] has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

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* The [[:wikimania:Hackathon|Wikimania 2022 Hackathon]] will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
* Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. ([[phab:T308570|T308570]])

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* The arbitration case request ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Geschichte|Geschichte]]'' has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

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* You can vote for candidates in the [[:meta:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022|2022 Board of Trustees elections]] from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
* [[:wikimania:Wikimania|Wikimania 2022]] is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed [[:wikimania:Program/Schedule|here]]. There are also a number of [[:wikimania:In-person_events|in-person events]] associated with Wikimania around the world.
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== [[Jan Strnad]] ==

The above-named person states his birth-year is wrong in the article.  I realize that is not a reason to change it, but it's also unsorted, so ''shouldn't be removed.

I'm banned from editing user-facing pages in Wikipedia for, IMO, refusing not to note that I was being bullied.  I'm pretty sure this post is not in violation of my ban.

Think you could do something about it?  — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]]  [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
:{{yo|Arthur Rubin}} Hi Arthur. I'm a bit confused. Where does Jan Strnad say this? Also did you mean to say that the birth-year in our article is ''unsourced'', so ''should'' be removed? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry about the delay.  Someone ''claiming'' to be Jan reported, on a Facebook thread related to a Wikipedia article, that his birth year was reported incorrectly on Wikipedia, and he was (he said) unable to correct it.  Obviously, he might not be able to verify it was him, but I rechecked the guidelines, and [[WP:BLP]] (I can't find the specific NOTFAMOUS link) suggests that personal information about a non-famous living person should not be listed unless he gives permission. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]]  [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 03:41, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Arthur Rubin}} Well, meanwhile, someone did change the birth-year to 1950, trying apparently, to link to the Facebook thread you refer to, but the link given does not work, and I am not certain this would be considered to be a reliable source anyway, so I've removed the date altogether. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:48, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

That seems best. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]]  [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 23:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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* [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Defining_a_process_for_the_discussion_of_making_Vector_2022_the_new_default|A discussion]] is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
* [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_Fox_News_(news):_politics_&_science|An RfC]] is open to gain consensus on whether [[Fox News]] is [[WP:RS|reliable]] for science and politics.

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* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/IP Editing Restriction Study/Farsi Wikipedia|The impact report]] on the effects of disabling IP editing on the Persian (Farsi) Wikipedia has been released.
* The WMF is looking into making a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Private Incident Reporting System|Private Incident Reporting System (PIRS)]] system to improve the reporting of harmful incidents through easier and safer reporting. You can leave comments on the talk page by answering the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Private Incident Reporting System#Phase 1|questions provided]]. Users who have faced harmful situations are also invited to join a PIRS interview to share the experience. To sign up [[m:Special:EmailUser/MAna_(WMF)|please email]] [[m:User:MAna (WMF)|Madalina Ana]].

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* An arbitration case regarding [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing|Conduct in deletion-related editing]] has been closed. The Arbitration Committee [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#Request_for_Comment|passed a remedy]] as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
* The arbitration case request ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jonathunder|Jonathunder]]'' has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

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* The new pages patrol (NPP) team has prepared an appeal to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) for assistance with addressing Page Curation bugs and requested features. You are encouraged to read the [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/2022 WMF letter|open letter]] before it is sent, and if you support it, consider signing it. It is not a discussion, just a signature will suffice.
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== Rape of Endymion by Selene ==
Hi. By "editorial consensus" do you mean it's rape if the majority say it is, and not rape if the majority say it isn't? People don't know what rape is anymore to the point that we have to be at the mercy of the internet court to say if a person sexually assaulted without their consent because they were unconscious was raped or not? --[[User:FábioScorpio|FábioScorpio]] ([[User talk:FábioScorpio|talk]]) 18:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

:Please see [[WP:CONSENSUS]] and [[WP:RGW]]. [[User:JayBeeEll|JBL]] ([[User_talk:JayBeeEll|talk]]) 18:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:Please read the links provided by {{u|JayBeeEll}} above. Editorial consensus does not determine if something is true or not, rather it is used on Wikipedia as the best way to determine whether the weight of expert opinion has determined that something is true or not. In this case the weight of expert opinion does not seem to support describing Selene as having raped anyone. So even if a majority of Wikipedia's editors thought that Selene ''ought'' to be called a rapist, without a supporting expert consensus, we are not allowed to assert such a thing in any article. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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* [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_385#RFC%3A_Fox_News_(news)%3A_politics_%26_science|Following an RfC]], consensus has been found that, in the context of politics and science, the reliability of [[FoxNews.com]] is unclear and that additional considerations apply to its use.
* Community comment on [[:meta:Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines|the revised Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines]] is requested until 8 October. 

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* The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script|Articles for creation helper script]] now automatically recognises administrator accounts which means your name does not need to be listed at [[WP:AFCP]] to help out. If you wish to help out at AFC, enable AFCH by navigating to {{myprefs|Gadgets}} and checking the "Yet Another AfC Helper Script" box.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad_images#Discretionary_sanctions|Remedy 8.1]] of the ''Muhammad images'' case will be rescinded 1 November following a [[Special:Permalink/1107517787#Sunset of Muhammed images|motion]].
* [[Special:Permalink/1111557733#Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing_RfC|A modification]] to the deletion RfC remedy in the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing|Conduct in deletion-related editing]] case has been made to reaffirm the independence of the RfC and allow the moderators to split the RfC in two.
* The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2021-22 review/Phase II consultation|second phase]] of the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2021-22 review|2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review]] closes 3 October.

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* An administrator's account was recently compromised. Administrators are encouraged to check that their [[Wikipedia:User_account_security#In_general|passwords are secure]], and reminded that ArbCom [[WP:RETURN|reserves the right to not restore adminship]] in cases of poor account security. You can also use [[Help:Two-factor_authentication|two-factor authentication]] (2FA) to provide an extra level of security.
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* You are invited to comment on candidates in the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/CheckUser and Oversight/2022 CUOS appointments|2022 CUOS appointments process]].
* An [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Deployment_of_Vector_(2022)|RfC is open]] to discuss whether to make Vector 2022 the default skin on desktop.
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== Zagreus etymology ==

I don't see how it misrepresents the source: the gloss is tentative at best given our modern understanding of PIE, and Kerenyi assumes it's Ionian too. Hesychius isn't infallible. [[User:Zagreus99|Zagreus99]] ([[User talk:Zagreus99|talk]]) 03:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

:There's no way Zagreus has a Hellenic origin based on our now very precise understanding of IE phonology. I won't comment that without a source, however it is still the case that Kerenyi is simply interpreting the gloss as Ionian Greek. [[User:Zagreus99|Zagreus99]] ([[User talk:Zagreus99|talk]]) 03:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

::{{Yo|Zagreus99}} I'm sorry I haven't had the time to reply to this sooner. I still have some questions about how you've represented what Kerenyi is saying. I will (when I get a chance) open a discussion about this on the talk page. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

==Hermes==
Hermes was also and originally a nature deity and in a few sources he was associated with winter like Boreas and Demeter  [[User:Akaora|Akaora]] ([[User talk:Akaora|talk]]) 14:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
:{{Yo|Akaora}} Ok, but what is your source which says this? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

A book I just purchased.But it is wrtitten in greek.Please I tell you the truth  [[User:Akaora|Akaora]] ([[User talk:Akaora|talk]]) 19:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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* The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Requests for comment/Article creation at scale|article creation at scale]] RfC opened on 3 October and will be open until at least 2 November.
* An [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#RfC:_should_RfAs_be_put_on_hold_automatically?|RfC is open]] to discuss having open [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship|requests for adminship]] automatically placed on hold after the seven-day period has elapsed, pending closure or other action by a [[WP:CRAT|bureaucrat]].

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* The [[WP:ARBCOM|arbitration]] case request titled ''Athaenara'' has been resolved by [[Special:Permalink/1116499056#Motion: Athaenara|motion]].
* The [[WP:ARBCOM|arbitration]] case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block|Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block]]'' has entered the proposed decision stage.
* {{noping|AmandaNP}}, {{noping|Mz7}} and {{noping|Cyberpower678}} have been appointed to the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022/Electoral Commission|Electoral Commission]] for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022|2022 Arbitration Committee Elections]]. {{noping|Xaosflux}} and {{noping|Dr vulpes}} are reserve commissioners.

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* [[Special:Permalink/1120243306#RfC:_should_RfAs_be_put_on_hold_automatically?|Consensus has been found in an RfC]] to automatically place RfAs on hold after one week.
* The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Requests for comment/Article creation at scale|article creation at scale]] RfC has [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Requests for comment/Article creation at scale/Closing statement|been closed]].
* [[Special:Permalink/1123894088#RfC on the banners for the December 2022 fundraising campaign|An RfC]] on the banners for the December 2022 fundraising campaign has been closed.

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* A new preference named "Enable limited width mode" has been added to the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|Vector 2022 skin]]. The preference is also shown as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. When disabled it removes the whitespace added by Vector 2022 on the left and right of the page content. Disabling this preference has the same effect as enabling the [[MediaWiki:Gadget-wide-vector-2022.css|wide-vector-2022]] gadget. ({{phab|T319449}})

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022#Election%20timeline|Eligible users]] are invited to [[Special:SecurePoll/vote/804|vote on candidates]] for the Arbitration Committee until 23:59 December 12, 2022 (UTC).  Candidate statements can be seen [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022/Candidates|here]].
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2021-22 review/Proposed decision|The proposed decision]] for the [[WP:DS2022|2021-22 review of the discretionary sanctions system]] is open.
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block|Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block]]'' has been closed.
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Stephen|Stephen]]'' has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 1 December 2022.
* A [[Special:Permalink/1122681777#Level 2 contacting admins|motion]] has modified the procedures for contacting an admin facing [[WP:LEVEL2|Level 2 desysop]].

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* '''Tech tip''': A single IPv6 connection usually has access to a "subnet" of 18 quintillion IPs. Add <code>/64</code> to the end of an IP in [[Special:Contributions]] to see all of a subnet's edits, and [[WP:/64|consider blocking the whole subnet]] rather than an IP that may change within a minute.
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== ''The Signpost'': 1 January 2023 ==

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== Administrators' newsletter – January 2023 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (December 2022).

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*[[WP:CSD|Speedy deletion criterion]] [[WP:A5|A5]] (transwikied articles) has been repealed following an [[Special:Permalink/1130280550#A5. Transwikied articles - Wiktionary|unopposed proposal]].

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* Following the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022#Results|2022 Arbitration Committee elections]], the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: {{Noping|Barkeep49}}, {{Noping|CaptainEek}}, {{Noping|GeneralNotability}}, {{Noping|Guerillero}}, {{Noping|L235}}, {{Noping|Moneytrees}}, {{Noping|Primefac}}, {{Noping|SilkTork}}.
* The [[WP:CT2022|2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review]] has [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Contentious_topics_procedure_adopted|concluded]] with many changes to the [[WP:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] procedure including a change of the name to "contentious topics". The changes are being implemented over the coming month.
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Stephen|Stephen]]'' has been closed.

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* Voting for the [[:commons:Commons:Sound Logo Vote|Sound Logo]] has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023. 
* '''Tech tip''': You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using [https://bullseye.toolforge.org/ bullseye] which won the Newcomer award in the recent [[:m:Coolest Tool Award|Coolest Tool Awards]].
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== On reverts of rollback use ==

Hi Paul, it looks like you undid a set of my rollbacks about 25 times with the edit summary "Why did you revert this apparently good edit?" The answer is that these were all done under [[WP:ROLLBACKUSE]] #4, "To revert edits by banned or blocked users in defiance of their block or ban", related to a range block that is visible in my action log. I did leave edit summaries under the first few uses in this set, but the total number was prohibitive to do manually. In general, many of the block-evading edits have been/continue to be simple examples of fixing [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] links while ignoring all efforts to be dissuaded from doing so, which was also what resulted in the original block that's being evaded here, in which case these are not actually good edits either. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uranus_(mythology)&diff=1132199340&oldid=1132171115 This example] of your reversion, for example, simply consisted of changing wikilcnks from [[Titan (mythology)]] to [[Titans]] and [[Gaia (mythology)]] to [[Gaia]]; [[Gaia (mythology)]] and [[Titan (mythology)]] already redirect to the right article, and I think we can also imagine a case in which the mythological figures are not considered the primary topics of the terms, in which case the link would have to be fixed again in the future. If you have a chance to reinstate the rollbacks, I would appreciate it. Best, [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 01:14, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
:Why do you want to change, for example, "<nowiki>[[Gaia]]</nowiki>" to "<nowiki>[[Gaia (mythology)|Gaia]]</nowiki>"? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 01:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
::I don't want to make the change, but rather to restore the page to its original form; the intention is to prevent an indefinitely blocked user from systematically evading the indefinite block to continue to institute changes like "<nowiki>[[Gaia (mythology)|Gaia]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Gaia]]</nowiki>" across a large range of articles. The reverted edits are generally in violation of [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] (and have the potential to create additional links to disambiguation pages in the future). [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 03:24, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Fine, but since having "<nowiki>[[Gaia]]</nowiki>" is clearly better than having "<nowiki>[[Gaia (mythology)|Gaia]]</nowiki>", I don't want to make the change either, and so I don't intend to. Regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 16 January 2023 ==

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*Following [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_178#Removing_blocks_made_with_the_summary_"Appeal_is_only_to_the_Arbitration_Committee"_from_the_Admin_Policy|an RfC]], the [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Special situations|administrator policy]] now requires that prior written consent be gained from the [[WP:AC|Arbitration Committee]] to mark a block as only appealable to the committee.
*Following [[Special:Permalink/1131222469#Massive_off-wiki_campaign_aimed_at_disrupting_Wikipedia|a community discussion]], consensus has been found to impose the [[WP:ARBECR|extended-confirmed restriction]] over the topic areas of [[Wikipedia:General sanctions/Armenia and Azerbaijan|Armenia and Azerbaijan]] and [[Wikipedia:General sanctions/Kurds and Kurdistan|Kurds and Kurdistan]].

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* The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
*The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3|Armenia-Azerbaijan 3]]'' has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 24 February 2023.
*In December, the [[WP:CTOP|contentious topics procedure]] was adopted which replaces the [[WP:OLDDS|former discretionary sanctions system]]. The contentious topics procedure is now in effect following an initial [[WP:CT2022/I|implementation period]]. There is [[WP:DSVSCT|a detailed summary]] of the changes and [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Administrator instructions|administrator instructions]] for the new procedure. The arbitration clerk team are taking suggestions, concerns, and unresolved questions about this new system at [[WT:AC/C|their noticeboard]].
[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
*Voting in the [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2023|2023 Steward elections]] will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The [[:meta:Stewards/Confirm/2023|confirmation process]] of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically [https://meta.toolforge.org/accounteligibility/67 check your eligibility] to vote.
* Voting in the [[:meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2023|2023 Community Wishlist Survey]] will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
*'''Tech tip''': [[m:Community Tech/Wikitext editor syntax highlighting|Syntax highlighting]] is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.

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== ''The Signpost'': 4 February 2023 ==

<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-02-04}} </div><!--Volume 19, Issue 3--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2023-02-04|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 21:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script ([[User:Evad37/SPS]]) --></div></div>
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== Polyphemus categorisation ==

Hi, {{u|Paul August}}, a dispute has arisen about the categorisation of [[Polyphemus]] on its talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Polyphemus#Category], about which I wondered whether you had any comments. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 15:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:Sorry, but I can't think of anything useful to contribute to that discussion. Why do you think that category doesn't apply? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
::Because it limits apprehension of a figure who is very obviously sighted in the Galatea narrative. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 17:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes he ''was'' sighted but ''became'' blind, so why wouldn't that category apply? Just like Oedipus no? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 20 February 2023 ==

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*Following a [[Special:Permalink/1138889978#RfC: Removing F10. Useless non-media files|request for comment]], [[WP:CSD#F10|F10]] (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
*Following a [[Special:Permalink/1140739661#RfC: Should P1 and P2 be repealed as CSDs?|request for comment]], the Portal CSD criteria ([[WP:CSD#P1|P1]] (portal subject to CSD as an article) and [[WP:CSD#P2|P2]] (underpopulated portal)) have been deprecated.
*A [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Make_Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions_a_guideline|request for comment]] is open to discuss making the [[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions|closing instructions]] for the [[WP:RM|requested moves]] process a guideline.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* The results of the [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023|2023 Community Wishlist Survey]] have been [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results|posted]].

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#Request_for_Comment|Remedy 11 ("Request for Comment")]] of the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing|Conduct in deletion-related editing case]] has [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Arbitration_motion_regarding_Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing|been rescinded]].
* The proposed decision for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3|Armenia-Azerbaijan 3]] case is expected 7 March 2023.
* A case related to the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Holocaust_in_Poland|Holocaust in Poland]] is expected to be opened soon.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* The 2023 appointees for the [[:m:Ombuds commission|Ombuds commission]] are [[m:User:AGK|AGK]], [[m:User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]], [[m:User:Bennylin|Bennylin]], [[m:User:Daniuu|Daniuu]], [[m:User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]], [[m:User:Faendalimas|Faendalimas]], [[m:User:JJMC89|JJMC89]], [[m:User:MdsShakil|MdsShakil]], [[m:User:Minorax|Minorax]] and [[m:User:Renvoy|Renvoy]] as regular members and [[m:User:Zabe|Zabe]] as advisory members.
* Following the [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2023|2023 Steward Elections]], the following editors have been appointed as stewards: [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2023/Statements/Mykola7|Mykola7]], [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2023/Statements/Superpes15|Superpes15]], and [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2023/Statements/Xaosflux|Xaosflux]].
* The [[:m:Wikimedia Foundation Legal department/2023 ToU updates|Terms of Use update cycle]] has started, which [[:m:Wikimedia Foundation Legal department/2023 ToU updates/Office hours/Announcement|includes]] a {{tq|[p]roposal for better addressing undisclosed paid editing}}. Feedback is being accepted until 24 April 2023.

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* A [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Moving_forward:_Deferring_GENSEX_cases_to_AE|community RfC]] is open to discuss whether reports primarily involving [[WP:GENSEX|gender-related disputes or controversies]] should be referred to the [[WP:AE|Arbitration enforcement noticeboard]].

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* Some older [[web browser]]s will not be able to use [[JavaScript]] on Wikimedia wikis starting this week. This mainly affects users of [[Internet Explorer 11]]. ({{phab|T178356}})
* The [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rollback of Vector 2022|rollback of Vector 2022 RfC]] has found no consensus to rollback to Vector legacy, but has found rough consensus to disable "limited width" mode by default.
* A link to the user's [[{{#special:CentralAuth}}]] page will now appear in the subtitle links shown on [[{{#special:Contributions}}]]. This was voted #17 in the [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results|Community Wishlist Survey 2023]].

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* The ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3|Armenia-Azerbaijan 3]]'' case has been closed.
* A case about [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland|World War II and the history of Jews in Poland]] has been opened, with the first evidence phase closing 6 April 2023.

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* A [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC on a procedural community desysop|request for comment]] about removing administrative privileges in specified situations is open for feedback.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* Progress has started on the [[Wikipedia:Page Curation/2023 Moderator Tools project|Page Triage improvement project]]. This is to address the concerns raised by the community in their [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/2022 WMF letter|2022 WMF letter]] that requested improvements be made to the tool.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* The proposed decision in the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland|World War II and the history of Jews in Poland]] case is expected 11 May 2023.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2023-2024|The Wikimedia Foundation annual plan 2023-2024 draft is open for comment and input]] through May 19. The final plan will be published in July 2023.

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* Following [[Special:Permalink/1155694672#RfC on a procedural community desysop|an RfC]], editors indefinitely site-banned by [[WP:CBAN|community consensus]] will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
* As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's [[m:IP Masking|IP Masking]] project, a [[foundation:Policy:Access to temporary account IP addresses|new policy has been created]] that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An [[m:Access to temporary account IP addresses FAQ|associated FAQ]] has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

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* Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of [[m:IP masking|IP masking]]. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until ''at least'' October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024. 

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland|World War II and the history of Jews in Poland]]'' has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* Following [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy/Proposed amendment (May 2023)|a community referendum]], the [[WP:ARBPOL|arbitration policy]] has been modified to remove the ability for users to appeal remedies to {{noping|Jimbo Wales}}.

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== Ker ==

Are you somehow under the impression that the article for [[Keres]] does anything at all to cover the topic of Ker, in addition to covering the distinct personifications known as the Keres?  And if so, how did you come to that conclusion? - [[User:Burner89751654|Burner89751654]] ([[User talk:Burner89751654|talk]]) 22:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
:Yes. As far as I'm aware there isn't really that much to cover concerning Ker, and that article covers all of it. What more do you think could be said? And if there really is a ''lot'' more to say, then feel free to create a separate article. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 00:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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== I think ... ==

... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nyx&diff=prev&oldid=1160903231 this] may have been an accident. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 12:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:Yup, thanks. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

== ''AlisonW'' case request accepted ==

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by June 30, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes.'''  For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee,  [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 23:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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== Proposed decision posted for the ''AlisonW'' case ==

The [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW/Proposed decision|proposed decision for the AlisonW case]] has been posted. Statements regarding the proposed decision are welcome at [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW/Proposed decision|the talk page]]. Please note that comments must be made in your own section. For the Arbitration Committee, [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 15:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Labours ==
Do you think the changes I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Labours_of_Hercules&curid=1418970&diff=1165266669&oldid=1165265048 here] were problematic? I'm happy to discuss any of them of course, if you disagree. Perhaps it was an accident? I can't quite tell. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 02:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:Yes, sorry, it was an accident. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 02:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
::All good, I thought so. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 03:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

== BHG block ==

I'm sorry, what now? Do you really think it's helpful or in the best interests of the project to impose a block on {{u|BrownHairedGirl}} when a) there's an AN/I ongoing for several days now, which involves her, and sanctions due to behaviour have been requested for other users in that dispute, which you're aware of; b) the AN/I case has been referred [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case|to ArbCom]]; and c) you have not bothered to inform the AN/I thread, or the blocked user? It's not like there aren't any admins well aware of what BHG (and the other involved parties) have written over the last week. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 13:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
:'''+1'''  [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">SN54129</span>]] 13:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
::Didn't then. do now. [[User:Deepfriedokra|--  Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 15:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

== WP:ANI ==

[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--><!--Template:ANI-notice-->. The section is [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#BrownHairedGirl_blocked]]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW]] closed ==

The arbitration case [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW]] has been closed, and the final decision is viewable at the case page. The following remedy has been enacted:

* For failure to meet the conduct standards expected of an administrator, AlisonW's administrative user rights are removed. She may regain them at any time via a successful request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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I was clearly wrong about the need for that block. Clearly. [[User:Deepfriedokra|--  Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 15:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
:OK thanks, and of course apology accepted. Out of curiosity, why do you say this?  I didn't think you said anything which needed to be apologized for. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

== Mentioned as a potential party to an ArbCom case ==

You have been mentioned as a potential party in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#BrownHairedGirl at CFD]] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration guide|guide to arbitration]] and the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Arbitration proceedings|Arbitration Committee's procedures]] may be of use. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 15:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

== ''SmallCat dispute'' case opened ==

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by August 4, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Workshop]]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee,  [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 13:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Macedonia (Greece) ==

In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Macedonia_(Greece)&diff=next&oldid=1168541459 this revert], you ''restored'' the word "Greek" (from {{tq|Macedonia incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon}} to {{tq|'''Greek''' Macedonia incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon}} (emphasis added), but your edit summary stated ''The topic of this article is about the geographic region of Greece, so "Greek" here is redundant and misleading''. I'm confused. Do you believe the word "Greek" should be in this sentence or not? (For the record, I believe it ''should'' be there, at least in this first instance, to differentiate from [[North Macedonia]]. [[User:WikiDan61|<span style="color: green;">WikiDan61</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]]</sub> 11:52, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::{{yo|WikiDan61}} Sorry yes, I (lacking sufficient coffee) misunderstood the edit I was trying to revert! And yes that edit summary did reflect my ''then'' view. But after I read the article more carefully and thought about it some more I realized that "Greek' was probably better there. So I've restored the original version. Sorry for the confusion. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:59, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::: '''''NEVER''''' edit without sufficient coffee first!! :)<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WikiDan61|WikiDan61]] ([[User talk:WikiDan61#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|contribs]]) 12:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)</small>
::: {{ec}} Have one on me! [[File:A small cup of coffee.JPG|200px]] [[User:WikiDan61|<span style="color: green;">WikiDan61</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]]</sub> 12:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::{{yo|WikiDan61}} '''''ALWAYS''''' sign your posts!! ;-) [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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== Chaos (mythology) ==
Paul, would you happen to be aware of what it is that happened to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chaos_(mythology)&oldid=828587466 our article] on Chaos? You seem to have been the main author of that page, though it is now a redirect to [[Chaos (cosmogony)]], where that article's information is accompanied by some other (in certain cases, perhaps questionably related) examples of "Chaos". I was somewhat [[Talk:Chaos (cosmogony)#Chaos (mythology)|confused]] by this recently, but I thought asking you directly might be a good idea, as I think the Greek Chaos is deserving of its own page. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 12:58, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
:Well as you can see from the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chaos_(mythology)&action=history revision history of that article], that article was merged into [[Chaos (cosmogony)]] by {{u|Dbachmann}}. I don't think there was any discussion about this (at least I don't remember any). I did (and do) think that that the Greek Chaos is deserving of its own page, but for whatever reason I chose to go along with the merge. But if you want to recreate a separate article, go ahead, I would support that. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
::I see, I had mostly been confused that no one (particularly yourself) had opposed the merge. As a separate article seems the sensible course of action, I will hopefully create one soon. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 14:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – August 2023 ==

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* Following [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Automatically_semi-protect_Today's_Featured_Article|an RfC]], [[WP:TFA|TFAs]] will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
* [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_183#Revision_deletion_and_oversight_for_deadnames|A discussion]] at [[WP:VPP]] about revision deletion and oversight for [[dead names]] found that {{tq|[s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment}}.

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== Kratos article edit revert ==

You reverted a minor edit that I did for Zelus (Zeal), while you changed it to Zelus (Glory). What is the reason for that change? Zelus or Ζήλος, in greek means literally zeal while Kleos or Κλέος means glory. Please do not change it again. [[User:Alkiviadis|Alkiviadis]] ([[User talk:Alkiviadis|talk]]) 07:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{yo|Alkiviadis}} In ancient Greek ζῆλος, in addition to meaning fervor or zeal, can ''also'' mean pride, honor, or glory (see [[LSJ]]). In particular, as the corresponding note in the text explains, the translations being use there are Gantz's. Gantz's translation are perfectly fine and there is no need to change them. But even if we were going to use a different set of translations, they would need to be sourced, and we would also have to change what the note says about whose translations we are using. I'm changing it back. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
::I do not need a translation to speek my native language. If you need a reference, you can always check the article for Zelus on wikipedia. Glory was represented in the greek pantheon by Aglaia, one of the Charites, Clio the muse and also by Eucleia, of the younger Charites. I will move this chat to the article talk, so that we reveive another opinion. [[User:Alkiviadis|Alkiviadis]] ([[User talk:Alkiviadis|talk]]) 12:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Alkiviadis}} You, of course, may not need a translation to read ancient Greek, but most of our readers do. And, by policy, when we provide a translation we need to also supply our readers with a reliable published source; our own private knowledge is not enough (see [[WP:VERIFY]]). [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:31, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
::::So zeal does not give any hint that is directly connected to Zelus. The word for both in greek is Zelos or Zelus if you will. Also I do reference the article from wikipedia. Please check it, [[Zelus]]. The word for glory in ancient greek is cleos or kleos. As a reference to cleos, you can take in mind all the names of ancient or modern greeks finishing with -cles, like Heracles, Pericles, Androcles etc. It is a reference to cleos or glory. [[User:Alkiviadis|Alkiviadis]] ([[User talk:Alkiviadis|talk]]) 12:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::As I wrote above ζῆλος does mean zeal, that is not in dispute. Nevertheless, any translation given ''must'' be sourced! Please read [[WP:VERIFY]]. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[Timothy Gantz]] is a well regarded scholar, and his book is a quality source. If he thinks that "glory" is the appropriate translation to give in this context, then there is no problem with us presenting things in the same manner; I don't see that there is any reason to not follow Gantz here. Checking another source, I notice Robin Hard's ''Routledge Handbook of Greek Mythology'' gives "Emulation or Glory". &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 13:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::English and Greek words don't correspond one-to-one, words often have many meanings, more than one word in one language can be appropriately translated as the same word in another, and words often have meanings in modern Greek that they didn't in ancient Greek. The new [[Cambridge Greek Lexicon]] shows some of the variety and shifts in the meaning of ζῆλος and associated words, beginning with ζῆλος as "1. competitive feeling of '''jealousy''', '''jealousy''', envy" followed by "2. spirit of emulation, '''admiration''', '''emulation'''... (personif., son of Styx, brother of Victory, Power Strength) '''Emulation''' Hes." and three other meanings ('''bold '''emphasis per lexicon). Later of course we had Simon the Zealot as an '''eager servant''', epitomising a shift which eventually gave us English's "zeal" but which we should not read back into Hesiod. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 13:21, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Removal of merge tag on [[Astra Planeta]] ==

You seem like you should be an experienced enough editor to know that it is improper to remove a merge tag that has just been added to an article. If you object, use your words on the talk page. Thanks. [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 12:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

You also reverted my improvements to the see also section. I've reverted all of your changes due to: [[WP:REVERT|wholesale reversion]] of all my edits with a [[WP:EDITSUMMARY|misleading edit summary]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Astra_Planeta&diff=1177604288&oldid=1177588138]). An admin should know better.  [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 13:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

:{{yo|Skyerise}} Yes I do know better! Sorry that edit was unintentional, see my last edit for my intensions, I must have been editing an old version, sorry again! [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

::I should have realized it was made in error. Sorry. That whole thing needs work! [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 15:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:::No problem! [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Hindu–Arabic numerals ==

Hi Paul. I wonder if you would (or if you know anyone else who would) be interested sometime in the foreseeable future on collaborating on making a better article about the Hindu–Arabic numerals and their history. There are a few editors who have diligently worked over the past few years to minimize or eliminate any mention of India from [[Arabic numerals]], usually in a series of salami-slice edits spread out over time. I'm not quite sure what the motivation is, maybe ideological? Here's a subset of them so you can see what I mean:

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A while back I started a complaint about this at [[talk:Arabic numerals]] but after getting a couple of links inserted I stopped pressing for more significant changes.

Anyway, after thinking about this, my personal preference is that [[Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] should be merged into [[Arabic numerals]] and moved to [[Hindu–Arabic numerals]], maybe also with [[History of the Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] moved to [[History of Hindu–Arabic numerals]], and should discuss both the structure of the numeral system and the specific glyph shapes, as well as their influence and some comparison with other numeral systems.

The current article at [[Arabic numerals]] gets more than twice as many page views as [[Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] because it is more commonly wikilinked and gets more traffic from search engines. Cf. this [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=1&start=2020-01&end=2023-09&pages=Arabic_numerals|Decimal|Arithmetic|Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system||Numerical_digit|History_of_ancient_numeral_systems|History_of_the_Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system|Positional_number_system page view comparison] of {[[Arabic numerals]] (50k monthly views), [[Decimal]] (25k), [[Arithmetic]] (25k), [[Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] (23k), [[Numerical digit]] (11k), [[History of ancient numeral systems]] (3.7k), [[History of the Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] (1.8k), [[History of arithmetic]] (0.6k), [[Positional number system]] (0.06k)}. Based on this, as a project Wikipedia should ideally focus on getting [[Arabic numerals]] up to at least "B class" quality, with a reasonably self-contained and comprehensive discussion of the numeral system, not just one form of the glyphs.

However, the current article at [[Arabic numerals]] does not do a very good job serving a broad audience of readers, because it has been artificially constrained to a very narrow scope of only discussing the development of the numeral glyphs in N. Africa and Europe from the 10th–17th century (that part of the content is okay), and eschewing any broader context, broader historical analysis/comparison, or description of how the numerals are practically used. The anti-Indian editors for a long time prevented the page from even linking to [[Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] or [[History of the Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] (because of "Hindu" in the name??), and any time someone tries to add material about how the number system works (arithmetic, etc.), jump in with weird wikilawyering about how that is out of scope for the title "Arabic numerals" because it isn't about numerals per se.

Anyway, I think before trying to actually make some kind of broader community appeal about this, it would probably be a good idea to write up a draft proposal for a merged article so there is something concrete to compare, which means actually doing the research/writing. But I don't feel like I have the expertise or bandwidth to tackle it as a project by myself (and have a bunch of other Wikipedia articles I'd also like to work on). Maybe with a few editors we could come up with some kind of outline, list of high quality sources, and start at filling in the details, then solicit broader help filling out a more complete draft, making diagrams, etc., before finally taking the matter to the broader Wikipedia community for discussion.

Thoughts? –[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 19:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:{{yo|jacobolus}}Hi. As I have no particular expertise on this topic, and my current interests lie elsewhere, I'm afraid I not going to be of much help here. Here's one thought. Even though I'm sure that many people use the term "Arabic numerals" to refer to the "Hindu–Arabic numeral system", they are really two different things and probably warrant two different articles. I think the navigational issue can probably be effectively ameliorated by appropriate linking between the two articles (e.g. see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arabic_numerals&diff=prev&oldid=1181039254 this edit]), and rewriting both articles a bit, to make them more appropriately aware of each other.
:I will continue to follow edits and discussions related to these topics, and try to give some more thought about the issues you've raised here, and at [[Talk:Hindu–Arabic numeral system]]  and [[Talk:Arabic numerals]].
:[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I don't have significant expertise either, I just think it's worth Wikipedia covering thoroughly and not politicizing. –[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 09:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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== Attalus I ==
I've been swamped elsewhere and haven't kept up well enough at FAR.  [[Attalus I]] needs a [[WP:FASA|Featured Article Save Award]] nomination, and because I didn't follow closely enough, I'm unsure who to nominate, and don't want to leave someone out.  The original writers/FAC nominators are not eligible for FASA; I'm not sure how to handle this in your case, as the article's FAC was in the days when the original writer usually wasn't the nominator, although it was done on your behalf.  So I could squeak in a FASA for you if that seems the right thing to do, even though you're basically the original writer.  But more importantly, who helped bring it over the line?  Was there anyone whose work was crucial in saving the star other than SnowFire, who I should add to the FASA nomination?  Best regards, [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]])  20:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
:I think SnowFire deserves all the credit, I did virtually nothing. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 21:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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* The WMF is working on making it possible for administrators to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community_configuration_2.0|edit MediaWiki configuration directly]]. This is similar to previous work on Special:EditGrowthConfig. A [[phab:T349757|technical RfC is running]] until November 08, where you can provide feedback.
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* Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023|in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections]].
* {{noping|Xaosflux}}, {{noping|RoySmith}} and {{noping|Cyberpower678}} have been appointed to the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023/Electoral Commission|Electoral Commission]] for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023|2023 Arbitration Committee Elections]]. {{noping|BusterD}} is the reserve commissioner.
* Following [[Special:PermanentLink/1179537633#Arbitration motion regarding the Prem Rawat case|a motion]], the contentious topic designation of ''Prem Rawat'' has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
* Following [[Special:PermanentLink/1180835750#Arbitration motion regarding Unused Contentious Topics|several motions]], multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the ''Editor conduct in e-cigs articles'', ''Liancourt Rocks'', ''Longevity'', ''Medicine'', ''September 11 conspiracy theories'', and ''Shakespeare authorship question'' cases.
* Following [[Special:PermanentLink/1180835750#Arbitration motion regarding Unused Contentious Topics|a motion]], remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the ''Macedonia 2'' case have been rescinded.
* Following [[Special:PermanentLink/1180835750#Arbitration motion regarding Unused Contentious Topics|a motion]], remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the ''The Troubles'' case has been amended.
* An arbitration case named ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Industrial agriculture|Industrial agriculture]]'' has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

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As an administrator active at [[WT:SPOILER]], I wanted to ask your input on a matter.  Please forgive me if I'm out of line.

{{user|CNNsOneViewer}} has been editing ''[[Drop the Dead Donkey]]'' explicitly to remove spoilers ({{talk quote inline|I've removed the appalling spoilers for the character endings, which have stood here for too long|q=yes}}; {{talk quote inline|Last spoiler removal|q=yes}}).  {{user|Adakiko}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drop_the_Dead_Donkey&diff=prev&oldid=1186185606 reverted the first bout of edits], citing [[WP:NOTCENSORED]].  CNNsOneViewer replied by edit-warring and alleging Adakiko of {{talk quote inline|bully[ing] me because I'm a so-called 'newbie'.. so stop|q=yes}}; a "newbie" whose very first edit was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:CNNsOneViewer/common.js&action=history editing their common.js].  Seemingly an SPA and experienced editor, I wonder if they're evading a ban, sock-puppeting, and/or just disruptively editing.  Unaccustomed with such, I didn't want to overreact and begin any of the formal processes, but though I'd check with somebody whose mop might signify experience with something similar.  Thanks for your time!  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 03:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u| Fourthords}}. Their first edit is a bit unusual, but not much yet to be too concerned about. The edit-warring and other things can be dealt with in the usual way. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:11, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:: Given they're explicitly editing to remove spoilers, and if I'm unfamiliar with the subject, should they just be reverted again?  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 05:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Whether something is or is not a "spoiler" is irrelevant. So no, I wouldn't revert them on that account. The only relevant question is whether their edits have, in your editorial opinion, make the article better or worse. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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* Following a [[Special:Permalink/1183144832#Are admins required to have notifications enabled?|talk page discussion]], the [[WP:ADMINACCT|Administrators' accountability policy]] has been updated to note that while it is considered best practice for administrators to have [[help:Notifications|notifications]] (pings) enabled, this is not mandatory. Administrators who do not use notifications are now strongly encouraged to indicate this on their user page.

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* Following [[Special:PermanentLink/1184642656#Arbitration motion regarding the extended confirmed restriction|a motion]], the [[WP:ECR|Extended Confirmed Restriction]] has been amended, removing the allowance for non-extended-confirmed editors to post constructive comments on the "Talk:" namespace. Now, non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace solely to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided that their actions are not disruptive.
* The Arbitration Committee has [[Special:PermanentLink/1184772491#Call for Checkusers and Oversighters|announced]] a call for Checkusers and Oversighters, stating that it will currently be accepting applications for CheckUser and/or Oversight permissions at any point in the year.
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023#Election timeline|Eligible users]] are invited to '''[[Special:SecurePoll/vote/806|vote on candidates]]''' for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee|Arbitration Committee]] until ''23:59 December 11, 2023 (UTC)''.  Candidate statements can be seen [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023/Candidates|here]].

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== ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2023 ==

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:{{yo|P Aculeius}} Thankyou! Happy Holidays to you too! [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 13:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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== Administrators' newsletter – January 2024 ==

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* Following the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023#Results|2023 Arbitration Committee elections]], the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: {{Noping|Aoidh}}, {{Noping|Cabayi}}, {{Noping|Firefly}}, {{Noping|HJ Mitchell}}, {{Noping|Maxim}}, {{Noping|Sdrqaz}}, {{Noping|ToBeFree}}, {{Noping|Z1720}}.
* Following a [[Special:Permalink/1187982425#Arbitration motion regarding Ireland article names - required location of move discussions rescinded|motion]], the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were [[Special:Diff/296047880#Request to amend prior case: Ireland article names|enacted in June 2009]].
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Industrial agriculture|Industrial agriculture]]'' has been closed.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* The [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/January 2024|'''New Pages Patrol backlog drive''']] is happening in January 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles in the [[Special:NewPagesFeed|new pages feed]]. Currently, there is a backlog of over 13,000 unreviewed articles awaiting review. [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/January 2024/Participants|'''Sign up here to participate!''']]
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* An [[Wikipedia talk:Interface administrators#RFC: Increase inactivity requirement|RfC]] about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. ({{phab|T326065}})

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* Following a [[Special:Permalink/1193639157#Motion: Reliable source consensus-required restriction|motion]], the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
* Community feedback is [[Special:Permalink/1200584793#Feedback requested for AE's "Information for administrators" section|requested]] for a draft to replace the "Information for administrators processing requests" section at [[WP:AE]].

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* Voting in the [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024|2024 Steward elections]] will begin on 06 February 2024, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 27 February 2024, 14:00 (UTC). The [[:meta:Stewards/Confirm/2024|confirmation process]] of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically [https://meta.toolforge.org/accounteligibility/70 check your eligibility] to vote.
* A vote to '''ratify the charter for the [[:m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)]]''' is open till 2 February 2024, 23:59:59 (UTC) via [[:m:Special:SecurePoll/vote/395|Secure Poll]]. All eligible voters within the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to either support or oppose the adoption of the U4C Charter and share their reasons. The details of the voting process and voter eligibility can be found [[:m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Charter/Voter information|here]].
* Community Tech has made some preliminary decisions about the future of the [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey|Community Wishlist Survey]]. In summary, they aim to develop a new, continuous intake system for community technical requests that improves prioritization, resource allocation, and communication regarding wishes. [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey#January 4, 2024: Shaping the Future of the Community Wishlist Survey|Read more]]
* The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024|Unreferenced articles backlog drive]] is happening in February 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{tl|Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024|'''Sign up to participate!''']]

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== [[Attalus I]] ==

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as [[WP:TFA|today's featured article]] for 18 March 2024. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 2024]], or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at [[Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/March 2024]]. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by [[user:dying]], who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors]] from two days before the article appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work!—[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 22:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 13 February 2024 ==

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I|Phase I]] of the 2024 [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|RfA review]] is now open for participation. Editors are invited to review, comment on, and propose improvements to the [[WP:RFA|requests for adminship process]].
* Following [[Special:Permalink/1210946192#RFC: Increase inactivity requirement|an RfC]], the inactivity requirement for the removal of the [[Wikipedia:Interface administrators|interface administrator]] right increased from 6 months to 12 months.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. ({{phab|T353388}})

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* The 2024 appointees for the [[:m:Ombuds commission|Ombuds commission]] are [[m:User:だ＊ぜ|だ＊ぜ]], [[m:User:AGK|AGK]], [[m:User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]], [[m:User:Bennylin|Bennylin]], [[m:User:Daniuu|Daniuu]], [[m:User:Doǵu|Doǵu]], [[m:User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]], [[m:User:Faendalimas|Faendalimas]], [[m:User:MdsShakil|MdsShakil]], [[m:User:Minorax|Minorax]], [[m:User:Nehaoua|Nehaoua]], [[m:User:Renvoy|Renvoy]] and [[m:User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] as members, with [[m:User:Vermont|Vermont]] serving as steward-observer.
* Following the [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2024|2024 Steward Elections]], the following editors have been appointed as stewards: [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]], [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/Albertoleoncio|Albertoleoncio]], [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/EPIC|EPIC]], [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/JJMC89|JJMC89]], [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/Johannnes89|Johannnes89]], [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/Melos|Melos]] and [[:meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/Yahya|Yahya]].

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== ''The Signpost'': 2 March 2024 ==

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== Citation needed explanation ==

Did you bother to read my edit comment? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 02:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

:Of course I "bothered". What do you me take me for? However your edit summary didn't help me understand why you think that statement needs a source. Each of the sources given in the note 2: Jost, [https://oxfordre-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/classics/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-6108?rskey=8uhQ9j&result=1 s.v. Styx]; Antoni, [https://referenceworks-brillonline-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/entries/brill-s-new-pauly/styx-e1124740?s.num=0&s.f.s2_parent=s.f.book.brill-s-new-pauly&s.q=Styx s.v. Styx]; Grimal, s.v. Styx; Tripp, s.v. Styx; Parada, s.v. Styx; Smith, [https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0104%3Aalphabetic+letter%3DS%3Aentry+group%3D28%3Aentry%3Dstyx-bio-1 s.v. Styx], says that the mythological Styx is both a river and a goddess. Do you dispute this? If you agree that "River Styx" is a name for the river (and I've been assuming you do, am I wrong?), then you must agree that River Styx is also a name for the goddess. I'm really trying to understand your position here. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 11:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 29 March 2024 ==

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== Administrators' newsletter – April 2024 ==

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* An [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Converting all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure|RfC]] is open to convert all current and future [[WP:OLDDS|community discretionary sanctions]] to (community designated) [[WP:CTOP|contentious topics procedure]].
[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. ({{Phab|T313405}})
[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
*An [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management|arbitration case has been opened]] to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".
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* Editors are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:The Core Contest/Entries|sign up]]''' for [[WP:The Core Contest|The Core Contest]], an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve [[Wikipedia:Vital articles|vital]] and other core articles on Wikipedia.
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== Cyclopes ==

I suspect a sock has intervened with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyclopes&diff=prev&oldid=1218903727|this edit]]. Can that be investigated? [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 16:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
:Using multiple IP addresses is not socking. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 17:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
::According to [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry]] it may well be. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 18:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Socking is pretending to be two different people by using two different ''accounts''. Using two different IP addresses is not socking. Depending on how one connects, you might have a different IP every time you log on. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 02:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

== ''The Signpost'': 25 April 2024 ==

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== Administrators' newsletter – May 2024 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (April 2024).

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|[[Special:Permalink/1218467362#Handing in my mop|MelanieN]]
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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* Phase I of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|2024 requests for adminship review]] has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3b: Make the first two days discussion-only (trial)|creating a discussion-only period]] (3b) and [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 13: Admin elections|administrator elections]] (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as  [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 2: Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA|creating a reminder of civility norms]] (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I|full report]].

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. [[phab:T280531|T280531]]

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management|Conflict of interest management]]'' has been closed.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* This may be a good time to reach out to potential nominees to ask if they would consider an RfA.
* A [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2024|'''New Pages Patrol backlog drive''']] is happening in May 2024 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles in the [[Special:NewPagesFeed|new pages feed]]. Currently, there is a backlog of over 15,000 articles awaiting review. [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2024/Participants|'''Sign up here to participate!''']]
* Voting for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)]] election is open until 9 May 2024. Read the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024#Voting|voting page on Meta-Wiki]] and '''[[m:Special:SecurePoll/vote/396|cast your vote here!]]'''

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== ''The Signpost'': 16 May 2024 ==

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== Medusa ==

Can you help me with the section you erased? I can give you the links to the sources but I can't format because I lost my WP password, so I can't edit on my desktop.

The difference between Golding and Ovid is esencial to understand half the article. [[User:T-man|T-man]] ([[User talk:T-man|talk]]) 01:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

:Sure I'd be glad to help, give me the links. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 10:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – June 2024 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (May 2024).

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II|Phase II]] of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|2024 RfA review]] has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I|Phase I]].

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Nuke]] feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [[Phab:T43351|T43351]]

[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Venezuelan politics|Venezuelan politics]]'' has been closed.
* The Committee is [[Special:Permalink/1225426349#Conflict of interest VRT queue and call for volunteers|seeking volunteers for various roles]], including access to the [[WP:COIVRT|conflict of interest VRT queue]].

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== Winterberg, Friedwardt ==

He passed away October 12, 2022. I’m his only child, Astrid. I have his death certificate and ashes. And I have a my birth certificate proving this. [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C4E:187F:AAF9:C58F:CF7A:1CB3:AF51|2600:6C4E:187F:AAF9:C58F:CF7A:1CB3:AF51]] ([[User talk:2600:6C4E:187F:AAF9:C58F:CF7A:1CB3:AF51|talk]]) 14:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello Astrid, I'm sorry for your loss. I'm assuming this is about adding a death date to [[Friedwardt Winterberg]]. According to Wikipedia policy, we can add this information '''if''' we can find a published source for this, please see [[WP:VERIFY]]:
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:Can you provide such a source? An obituary in a newspaper for example? Or perhaps some mention in an academic publication? [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Doubt ==

''Flat Earth, Appolo Moon landing denials, Young Earth Creationism etc'' are well known Fringe theories and are also categorised as Fringe theories in Wikipedia. What are the procedures in English Wikipedia to categorically deem a claim as Fringe theory if a new claim is raised as science in the future? 
I am not familiar with all the platforms that are available in Wikipedia, so I am unsure where to raise this discussion. [[User:അദ്വൈതൻ|അദ്വൈതൻ]] ([[User talk:അദ്വൈതൻ|talk]]) 18:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:I'm not sure exactly what you are asking here, but before doing anything I recommend reading [[Wikipedia:Fringe theories]]. If you are talking about a specific "claim", and that claim has a talk page, I would start a discussion there, or possibly on [[Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard]]. If you are talking about fringe claims in general, then starting a discussion on [[Wikipedia talk:Fringe theories]] might be appropriate. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== Wikiproject ==

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to [[Mnemosyne]], would you be interested in a taskforce on [[oral tradition]]? [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 09:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for asking, but that's a bit outside my area of interest and expertise. Good luck with your Taskforce. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 12:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

== The Minotaur ==

Hello Paul, I have been going around splitting my time with other projects and have notices that some articles that I have been watching like [[Hecatoncheires]], you have significantly expanded. I am curious if you plan on expanding the article on the [[Minotaur]]. I am starting to create a separate userspace for edits, so if you are you can always add them to that. If not, that is fine. [[User:Paleface Jack|Paleface Jack]] ([[User talk:Paleface Jack|talk]]) 16:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Jack. No I have no immediate plans to add anything to [[Minotaur]]. I hope you liked my work on [[Hecatoncheires]], but it has been five years since I've added much there, It could probably use a going over. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Sounds good. Your skills in Greek myth is currently unmatched so I thought I would ask about the Minotaur. I will look at Hecatoncheires and see what is needed. [[User:Paleface Jack|Paleface Jack]] ([[User talk:Paleface Jack|talk]]) 17:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
If you want to collab and expand the article on the Minotaur, I feel you are better skilled at adding and writing those older sources and texts that I. Not yet sure I am gonna try that.--[[User:Paleface Jack|Paleface Jack]] ([[User talk:Paleface Jack|talk]]) 18:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

== A Question on sources ==

Hello Paul, sorry to bother you. I have started a separate revision draft for the Minotaur and have come across a minor problem. I am currently citing sources through sfn format so as to make things less messy for me and other editors out there. I am not sure how I would do sfn for the ancient greek texts that I shall be citing and also am confused as to why they cite page numbers in decimals on other pages. [[User:Paleface Jack|Paleface Jack]] ([[User talk:Paleface Jack|talk]]) 15:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Jack. Ancient Greek texts are not divided into "pages". For example  [[Homer]]'s ''[[Iliad]]'' is divided into "books" and lines numbers, so for example "''Iliad'' 4.233" means the 233rd line of book 4. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 14:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Paul August}} Ah, that makes sense. How exactly could I put that in a works cited using cite book template? [[User:Paleface Jack|Paleface Jack]] ([[User talk:Paleface Jack|talk]]) 18:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I don't know. I don't use that template for such citations.

== Problematic IP ==

Hello. There is a problematic IP that is 24.54.16.215 they have their edits reversed and in edit summaries they are not assuming good faith by calling reverts made to their edits as vandalism. I have gave them a final warning for vandalism. But after that, I read the problematic edit summaries. I wanted to bring this to your attention. Thanks, [[User:Felicia777|Felicia]] [[User Talk:Felicia777|(talk)]] 13:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{yo|Felicia777}} All the recent editing to [[Sine qua non]] is an edit war, and ''all'' of the editors making those edits are [[WP:edit warring]]. So all of these editors ''could'' be subject to sanctions for that. However none of the edits, including the IP's, qualify as [[WP:vandalism]]. What this is is a typical editorial dispute about article content. Such disputes should be resolved through discussion '''not by edit warring'''. Please read [[WP:RCD]], on how to resolve such disputes. Such resolution will require that editors listen to each other, and try to see the other editor's point of view. Being willing to try to find a suitable compromise. Usually when another editor feels strongly that something is wrong with an article, then the article almost certainly could be improved. For example in this case, perhaps a better exemplar of the use of ''sine qua non'' could be found. I hope this helps. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you, I understand. [[User:Felicia777|Felicia]] [[User Talk:Felicia777|(talk)]] 18:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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== Unauthorised bot gone whack? ==

Hi Paul. ‘Recently active admins’ says you’re up and at ‘em? What do you make of [[Special:Contributions/Riya5455|this edit history]]? Reads like a horribly coded bot to me.

Thanks. [[User:Matticusmadness|MM]] [[User talk:Matticusmadness|<span style="color: brown">(Give me info.)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Matticusmadness|<sup style="color: Orange">(Victories)</sup>]] 16:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Athena ==

The person who reverted edits have removed sourced content, the user who deleted the sourced content needs to discuss which points of disagreement with parts of the content in the talk page without removing the entire addition. I am not certain why you reverted edits after you have noticed verifiable sourced content being removed which is a violation of wikipedia terms.

Do you agree with the removal of the content to be deleted?  [[User:Potymkin|Potymkin]] ([[User talk:Potymkin|talk]]) 17:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

:{{yo| Potymkin }}. Hi. You are a new editor and may not understand how things work here. That something is true does not mean it should be in an article. The content of an article is decided by the consensus of its editors (please see [[WP:consensus]]). Right now there is no consensus for the inclusion of your content. It's fine to make changes to an article, but when another editor reverts your changes you shouldn't just reinsert them, instead you should discuss your proposed changes with the other editor as well as any other interested editors (please see [[WP:BRD]]). What you've been doing, by repeatedly adding your proposed changes, is called "edit warring" please see [[WP:editwar]]. '''Your editing privileges can be removed if you continue to do this''', see [[WP:block]]. What you should do is make the case for the inclusion of your edits on that article's talk page, and see what other editors have to say. I'm going to revert your additions again. Please don't add them again without an editorial consensus. Thanks, and best regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 18:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
::Duely noted, thank you for highlighting this. the user who reversed edit has removed several sources from 3 greek historians as well as a modern archeology source. are you able to highlight such wrong doing in the talk page under my comment [[Talk:Athena/Archive 4#Removal of sourced content]] ? [[User:Potymkin|Potymkin]] ([[User talk:Potymkin|talk]]) 22:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
::Sadly, Potymkin has continued by reinstating without consensus their edits of [[Hyperborea]] (that "The Greeks proceeded to write of Hyperborea as a place that existed in ancient Libya")[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hyperborea&diff=prev&oldid=1246276288] and [[Atlas (mythology)]] ("Atlas is a Libyan god")[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atlas_(mythology)&diff=prev&oldid=1246271251], now asserting in edit summaries that reverting their edits to the prior stable version is "attemping  [[WP:ADVOCACY]]". [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 08:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Atlas is a Libyan god and a Titan in Greek mythology, this statement is supported by modern scholars and is verifiable <ref name=":1">[[Maximus of Tyre]], ibid: "It is at the same time the sanctuary, the god, the bond of oaths and the idol of the Libyans."</ref>[https://journals.openedition.org/encyclopedieberbere/1213?lang=en] Atlas endures punishment in North africa in Greek mythology is also a common belief among greeks and is verifiable ([[Hesiod]], ''[[Theogony]]'' [http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0020.tlg001.perseus-eng1:507-544 517–520]) he is also commonly known locally as the first ruler of Mauretania in north africa <ref name=":12">[[Maximus of Tyre]], ibid: "It is at the same time the sanctuary, the god, the bond of oaths and the idol of the Libyans."</ref> as the lead states:
:::<code>he is commonly identified as the local god of [[Atlas Mountains]] in northwest Africa  and was said to be the first King of [[Mauretania]] (modern-day [[Morocco]] and [[Algeria]], not to be confused with the modern-day country of [[Mauritania]])</code>
:::your [[WP:ADVOCACY]] to remove Greek sources relating parts of their mythology to north africa. as per [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] removal of verifiable material is a serious break of Wikipedia terms. [[User:Potymkin|Potymkin]] ([[User talk:Potymkin|talk]]) 09:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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A happy end of year to you, Paul! A merry Christmas, a happy New Year, and a rowdy [[Rural Dionysia]]... Here's a very pretty Apulian lekane depicting Persephone's abduction to keep you company over the holidays. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 22:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Ceto, mother of the Gorgons ==
I don't know if you know, but [[Ceto]] (the mother of the [[Gorgons]]) is a goddess, not a monster (this one called [[Cetus (mythology)|Cetus]]), no matter what "typically" explanation you gave. I searched and found no ancient source calling her a "sea monster", only a "mother of monsters". --[[User:Fábio Aquiles|Fábio Aquiles]] ([[User talk:Fábio Aquiles|talk]]) 15:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Ceto ''is'' not usually referred to as a "goddess" (can you cite any [[WP:RS|WP reliable]] secondary sources who do this?). In my experience, when she is described at all it is as a sea-monster (or creature). For example ''Crowell's Handbook of Classical Mythology'' by Edward Tripp, p. 158, has:
{{blockquote|'''Ceto.''' The sea-monster daughter of Pontus and Ge. Ceto, whose name means any large denizen of the sea, was ...}}
:As for {{tq|no ancient source calling her a "sea monster"}}, since her name means "sea-monster" you wouldn't expect any Ancient Greek source to say explicitly that Ceto ''is'' a sea-monster, it would be like saying "Sea-Monster is a sea-monster" ;-)

:So I'm going to undo your change again. If you would like to further dispute this, please do so on that article's talk page where other interested editors can join the discussion. Thanks, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 19:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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== I wondered... ==
:'''''This discussion was moved to [[Talk:List of Greek deities#Structure of list]], and continued there'''''
... if you had any thoughts on our article [[List of Greek mythological figures]], and its current organisation and scope. It's apparently one of our most viewed articles on Greek mythology (no. 66 at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome/Popular pages|WP:CGR/Popular pages]]), and could probably be reworked into a more helpful resource without too much trouble. Per [[WP:SPLITLIST]], I think it might make sense to split the "Mortals" part of the article into its own list article ("List of mortals in Greek mythology", perhaps?), and rename the page to "List of Greek deities", given the vast number of names which a comprehensive list of "figures" would need to include; it's worth noting that we also have [[List of Greek mythological creatures]] and [[List of minor Greek mythological figures]] (both of which are fairly neglected). (If we were to restrict the page to deities, then the figures in the "Giants" section would probably need to be incorporated into [[List of Greek mythological creatures]], though perhaps a [[List of Giants in Greek mythology]] article might also be justified, for the [[Giants (Greek mythology)|"Giants" of the Gigantomachy]] specifically?) It's possibly worth referring to [[List of Mesopotamian deities]], which is a [[WP:FL]]; perhaps images and descriptive summaries could be included a bit more widely through the article. I considered leaving a message at [[Talk:List of Greek mythological figures]], though I figured you would be the editor most likely to respond. This is a slightly jumbled set of ideas, ;) so don't feel obliged to respond to everything, but any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 12:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Yo|Michael Aurel}} My thoughts:
:* {{tq| List of Greek mythological figures ... could probably be reworked into a more helpful resource}}: Indeed.
:* {{tq|without too much trouble}}: Hmmm ...
:* {{tq|Per WP:SPLITLIST, I think it might make sense to split the "Mortals" part of the article into its own list article ("List of mortals in Greek mythology", perhaps?), and rename the page to "List of Greek deities"}}: Seems reasonable.
:* {{tq|it's worth noting that we also have List of Greek mythological creatures and List of minor Greek mythological figures (both of which are fairly neglected)}}: Thinking globally about all these lists together is a good thing, and is probably something which hasn't been much done. One thought I had is that an article [[List of lists of Greek mythological figures]] might be a good thing.
:* {{tq|(If we were to restrict the page to deities, then the figures in the "Giants" section would probably need to be incorporated into List of Greek mythological creatures, though perhaps a List of Giants in Greek mythology article might also be justified, for the "Giants" of the Gigantomachy specifically?)}}: Either seems reasonable. In any case the lists of Giants given in [[List of Greek mythological figures]] should be harmonized with the list of Giants in [[List of Greek mythological creatures]]. Also note the section [[Giants (Greek mythology)#Named Giants]] of [[Gigantes]].
:* {{tq|It's possibly worth referring to List of Mesopotamian deities, which is a WP:FL; perhaps images and descriptive summaries could be included a bit more widely through the article}}: Yes.
:Global organization (lists, categories, templates, etc.) is both very important and something I've not given much thought to. I'm more the bottom-up type.<ref>Top-down seems harder to me to get right, with more negative consequences if gotten wrong. One of the issues with autodidacticism is one not knowing what you don't know. An under appreciated value of formal education is that it provides a curated overview of what is known and important in a field, and gives one the comprehensive knowledge required for doing top-down right. By contrast, detailed knowledge about a specific narrow topic, required for bottom-up is relatively easy to acquire safely on one's own.</ref> In any case I see no good reason for ''you'' not to [[WP:Be Bold]], so I encourage you to jump right in! [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for all of this. I think I'm more the top-down type of person, with the "structure first, fill in the gaps later" sort of attitude. On the point of global organisation, most of our templates (I'm thinking here of the sidebars, in particular) were created around 20 years ago, and probably need to be overhauled. A restructured [[List of Greek deities]] page, however, could serve as a good guide there, and perhaps a discussion at [[WT:CGR]] could sort out such an overhaul.
::A "list of lists" would certainly be a good idea, as would approaching the three (or four) separate lists in an integrated manner. Regarding the Giants, my thought would be that they aren't really "gods" in the strict sense, and so would be better listed at [[List of Greek mythological creatures]] rather than [[List of Greek deities]]? (As an aside, this makes me think we should have a page on [[Divinity in ancient Greece]]; see, eg., [https://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN9781910589519] [https://academic.oup.com/edinburgh-scholarship-online/book/28923/chapter-abstract/240994868?redirectedFrom=fulltext].) Also, in your view, is the list at {{section link|Giants (Greek mythology)|Named Giants}} relatively comprehensive? {{tq|Vian and Moore provide a list with over seventy entries}} led me to think it wasn't, though now I'm considering that the figures listed at {{section link|Giants (Greek mythology)|Named Giants}} (of which there are around forty) may be the only ones really ''worth'' listing, if the others are little more than scholarly attempts to decipher inscriptions, or something of the sort. Anyway, I'll leave the usefulness (or lack thereof) of a stand-alone list of Giants to your judgement.
::One thought on [[List of Greek mythological figures]] is that it seems a shame that gods with important cults such as [[Pan (god)|Pan]] or [[Hecate]] are given the same prominence as fairly inconsequential figures such as, for example, [[Hecaterus]] or [[Acratopotes]]. Maybe there should, behind the list of the Twelve Olympians (and, currently, Hades and Persephone), be a longer list of deities of significance in Greek religion, with images and longer descriptions, similar to, for example, the list at {{section link|List of Mesopotamian deities|Major deities}}. This would allow important deities to be given a place of prominence, while still allowing them to be found sorted according to their domain (eg., "Sky", "Sea", etc., in the current article). &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 02:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::* {{tq|On the point of global organisation, most of our templates (I'm thinking here of the sidebars, in particular) were created around 20 years ago, and probably need to be overhauled. A restructured List of Greek deities page, however, could serve as a good guide there, and perhaps a discussion at WT:CGR could sort out such an overhaul}}: Sure.
::* {{tq|approaching the three (or four) separate lists in an integrated manner}}: Or five, or six, or ...?
::* {{tq|Regarding the Giants, my thought would be that they aren't really "gods" in the strict sense}}: Well that's an inherent issue with {{tq|structure first}} isn't it? Edge cases. Is Heracles mortal or divine? Are the descendants of the Titans Titans? Are the The Gigantes god's or creatures, or can they be both? I have informed opinions on all this ... but, I don't know that I could find adequate sources supporting them.
::* {{tq|we should have a page on Divinity in ancient Greece}} Yes, please read those two books (and a few others I can think of, and several I can't) and write one. Ambitious much ;-)
::* {{tq|is the list at Giants (Greek mythology) § Named Giants relatively comprehensive?}}: Well it was meant to be, in the sense that I tried to list every name for which I could find adequate sourcing, beyond just being named by Vian and Moore. I suppose this amounts to the same thing as me thinking they are {{tq|the only ones really ''worth'' listing}}.
::* {{tq|Maybe there should, behind the list of the Twelve Olympians (and, currently, Hades and Persephone), be a longer list of deities of significance in Greek religion, with images and longer descriptions}} Maybe. But I come back to the issue of sourcing. My main demur in all this is sourcing. Frankly, none of our current attempts at presenting a classification scheme are, in my opinion, adequately sourced. And maybe not even sourceable.  Various classification schemes are given by various sources, for example Burkert's ''Greek Religion'' pp. 119&ndash;182 presents one. So we could adopt Burkert's, and source it. But there are other such presentations all different from one another. There is no canonical taxonomy. So ...?  Nevertheless, we ''have'' all these lists and attempting to improve them, however we can, is a good thing.
:::[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::::As you say, [[Prometheus|foresight]] is going to be required for a page like this, lest we [[Pandora's box|unleash future problems for ourselves]]... (The difficult part about the "structure first" mentality is that you have to get that structure ''right'', otherwise everything from there doesn't work too well.)
::::I share your concerns around sourcing here &ndash; as you probably realised (or suspected), the structure of the current list is derived mainly from Theoi.com (from [https://www.theoi.com/greek-mythology/greek-gods.html here] in particular, I would guess). I like your suggestion to use Burkert here; of course, as his main concern is with deities who played some role in Greek religion, there are some gods who won't easily fit into his classification scheme (eg., a number of abstract personifications, cosmogonic deities, etc.). Given this, we could perhaps use Burkert as the basis for one section of the article (ie., a section which lists the gods who played a substantial role in Greek religion); that part of his book could determine the section's structure, and (quite crucially) could determine which deities would be included in such a section (rather than determining that ourselves).
::::''If'' we were to do the above (and perhaps that's a very big "if"), my instinct would be to follow the first sections of Gantz, Hard, and Kerenyi for the structure of another part of (or the rest of?) the article (that structure being, roughly speaking: cosmogonic deities, then the Titans, then their descendants/other pre-Olympian gods). As to the rest of the deities on the page, I'm very much unsure; they are currently organised by domain/association/type ("Sky", "Chthonic", "Agricultural", etc.), a structure for which I can't really find a reliable source (the closest I can see is [[List of deities by classification|this]]). We also have the list of personifications, most of which are minor, though I think they probably ought to be kept listed separately, as I'm not sure how easily they could be spread across various other sections. All of this of course raises the question of whether it's ok to list the same deity in more than one section (eg., Helios had a relatively significant cult, and is of course an immediate descendant of the Titans as well); I think I would lean towards the answer "yes", though possibly that opens a can of worms...
::::And, by the way, thanks very much for your helpful and reasoned commentary here! Probably I should put a bit of this into action, lest I give an even ''longer'' response than this one... &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 12:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I agree with all of the above. You know I'm sure all these lists are for the most part substantially "correct". And they have considerable value. But they need to based upon sources. Trying to use the structure used by Burkert, Gantz, Hard and Kerenyi, would be a good start. Also Carlos Parada's classification scheme in his ''Genealogical Guide to Greek Mythology'' might be extremely useful. He gives a list of "Divinities" (pp. 187&ndash;188), with the following sub-lists: 1. Abstract personifications, 2. Sidereal and natural personifications, 3. Major divinities, 4. Waters and landscapes,  5. Monsters, demons and other creatures with unusual attributes, 6. Other deities, and 7. Immortals. There is much more structure here which we ''could'' adopt, for example, in addition to having entries for individual figures, in his "Genealogical Guide" proper (pp. 1&ndash;186), he has many entries for "groups" of figures. His list of such group entries (p. xiv) has more than 100 entries  e.g.: "Abstractions, Achaean leaders, ... Bestiary, ... Cabiroi, ... Centaurs, ...  Giants, ... , Nymphs, ... Servants, ... Winegrowers, ...Zeus' Nurses, Zeus' offspring".  Plus other lists (pp. 189&ndash;225: "Personifications", "Constellations & Stars", "Objects", "Conditions to take Troy", "Greek-Latin correspondences", "Places and Peoples", "Authors and Works"), many fold-out genealogical tables, and two fold-out maps. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 16:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Interesting, all of that indeed looks very helpful &ndash; I had wondered about Parada, but I unfortunately haven't ever been able to find a copy of his book (and so haven't seen more than Google Books snippets). I'm quite curious: where in those seven sections does he place the Titans, and the early figures from the ''Theogony'' (Gaia, Chaos, Tartarus, etc.)? From the above, his book looks as though it would be especially helpful for sorting personifications and other minor figures, which is valuable, as those are probably going to be the figures left over if we organise our first sections after Burkert, and Gantz, Hard, and Kerenyi.
::::::Also, I'd be interested to hear your view on the edge case of the Gigantes being either gods or creatures; I would incline towards the latter (implying their exclusion from [[List of Greek deities]]), though you're of course much more familiar with them than anyone else. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 14:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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* {{tq|find a copy of his book}}: See  [https://www.abebooks.com/9789170810626/Genealogical-Guide-Greek-Mythology-Studies-9170810621/plp expensive]; and [https://search.worldcat.org/title/1024525919 free]. See also: [https://www.amazon.com/Genealogical-Guide-Greek-Mythology-Digital-ebook/dp/B007FVSPMM Kindle version of just "Genealogical Guide" proper (pp. 1&ndash;186)]; [https://www.maicar.com/GML/021Editions/000Editions.html The '''Greek Mythology Link''].
* {{tq|where in those seven sections does he place the Titans}}: In 3. Major divinities.
* {{tq|the early figures from the ''Theogony'' (Gaia, Chaos, Tartarus, etc.)?}}: Gaia (with Nyx, Pontus, and Uranus) in "Sidereal and natural personifications"; Chaos (with Erebus and Eos) in "Abstract personifications"; Tartarus in "Major divinities". So he doesn't make use of a "primordial" category, and, as far as I can tell, does not use the term. Which should give us pause about our using the term.
* {{tq|Gigantes}}: Creatures (but I' not a reliable source). However Parada includes them in his "Monsters, demons and other creatures with unusual attributes" category.
[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

:Ah, I'd forgotten about the Greek Mythology Link &ndash; it seems (looking at Google Books snippets) to contain a very similar structure, and the same lists of deities. I think Parada's distinction between "abstract" and "sidereal and natural" personifications is good, and worth using. I too have issues with how we use the term "primordial gods"; the way it's used on Wikipedia is as though they're some group with specific members (probably membership badges, newsletter subscriptions, and all...). (I've noticed that we also tend to use "chthonic deities" in somewhat the same way.) It's fine to talk about the "early deities" or "primal elements" in the ''Theogony'', but matters become a little more problematic when figures from Orphic cosmogony, or, worse, the genealogy from the ''Fabulae'', are mixed in.
:Given our above discussion, and the sources which have been brought up, here's a draft of a structure I think ''could'' work, with the sources we would follow (or roughly follow) in each case:
:* Major deities in Greek religion (Burkert)
:** Twelve Olympians
:** Lesser deities
:** Nature deities
:** Foreign deities worshipped in Greece
:* Early deities (Mostly Gantz, also Hard & Kerenyi)
:** Primal elements
:** Descendants of Gaia and Uranus
:** Descendants of Gaia and Pontus
:** The Titans and their descendants
:* Groups of minor divinities and nature spirits (Gantz, Hard, also Parada)
:* Personifications (Parada)
:** Abstract personifications
:** Astronomical and natural personifications
:* Other deities
:We're avoiding the domain/assocation organisation, which means we don't have to decide upon what constitutes, for example, a "rustic" deity, or a "sky" deity. We obviously aren't without edge cases, though &ndash; for example, do the children of Nyx go in the "Primal elements" section, or in the "Abstract personifications" section? On one edge case you raised earlier, I think we would probably include Heracles (and a few similar figures, such as Aristaeus, Glaucus, Palaemon, etc.), but I'm not sure that we necessarily need to include all immortals, at least not all the figures listed by Parada (eg., stellified mortals, underworld judges, etc.). One other point is that I don't know that we need to, as we currently are, list all of the various members of groups such as the Charites or Muses, lest we give the reader the idea that there are fourteen canonical Charites! (these lists would be better off at the respective pages, probably as prose). "Other deities" may also need splitting up, or we may need further sections. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 02:39, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
::I like this, it finesses many of the potential problems we've discussed. Some questions:
::# Where will you put Hestia? Burkert includes her as the first god he mentions in his "3.1 Lesser Gods".
::# Where are you putting gods mentioned in Burkert's "3.2 Societies of gods" (pp. 173-174), and  "3.5 Daimon" (pp. 179-181)?
::# Are you planning to source "Major deities in Greek religion" to just Burkert? 
::# For the parts being sourced to multiple authors, have you thought about how you will deal with any disagreements?
::# I assume "Groups of minor divinities and nature spirits" corresponds to Hard's "Chapter 6: Lesser deities and nature-spirits", Gantz's "Minor Divinities" (pp. 135-151) correct? But where exactly is the correspondence in Parada?
::Other responses:
::*{{tq|We're avoiding the domain/assocation organisation, which means we don't have to decide upon what constitutes, for example, a "rustic" deity, or a "sky" deity.}}: Yes. Good.
::*{{tq|do the children of Nyx go in the "Primal elements" section, or in the "Abstract personifications" section?}}: Good question ;-) Do they collectively have to go in the same place? Can they individually be in more than one place? (I seem to be resorting to the Socratic method here and above) Ok, fine. For Parada, the answer to the first question is no, for example he puts Aether in "Sidereal and natural personifications", and Moros in "Abstract personifications", and for Parada, since he's trying to partition his set of "Divinities" his sub-lists are disjoint, so the answer to the second question is also no. But I don't think we need (or want?) to do this (there I've given an opinion!)
::*{{tq|I think we would probably include Heracles}}: Fine, where?
::*{{tq|I don't know that we need to ... list all of the various members of groups}}: Fine. But some clarifying prose might also work.
::*{{tq|"Other deities" may also need splitting up, or we may need further sections.}}: Possibly, if sourceable!
::[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|&#9742;]] 15:27, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Great! We're on the right track, then. Addressing these questions:
:::# In the Twelve Olympians section, I think, doing something similar to [[Twelve Olympians#List]]. This is technically a departure from Burkert, though it's a fairly minor one, and I think it's worth using the "Twelve Olympians" grouping ("Individuals gods" is a little vague).
:::# Good question. From Burkert, I think the three groups of gods worth mentioning ({{tq|Others enjoy important cults...}}) would be the Muses, Charites, and Cabeiroi, and the only figure worth mentioning from the "''Daimon''" section would be Agathos Daimon. I think we should also include the figures from his "Figures who cross the Chthonic&ndash;Olympian Boundary" section (ie., Heracles, the Dioscuri, and Asclepius). Where to put these is a little tricky, but splitting these seven figures across three different sections would probably be clunky, so perhaps we just have some sort of "other" section (within "Major deities in Greek religion") for these.
:::# Probably, as doing so gives a fairly clear criterion for inclusion. That said, we ''could'' also look here to Larson's ''Ancient Greek Cults'', which is structured not too differently to Burkert's discussion. In particular, after sections on (most of) the Twelve Olympians, she has "11. Dear to the people: Hermes, Pan, and nature deities", "12. Divine specialists: other Panhellenic deities", "13. Strangers and indigenes: latecomer and regional deities", and "14. Anomalous immortals: hero-gods and heroine-goddesses". The deities listed are relatively similar, with those not mentioned by Burkert being the Erinyes, [[Bendis]], Britomartis, Dictynna, [[Aphaea]], Themis, Nemesis, [[Damia]], and [[Auxesia]]. So using Larson would allow us to list these deities, at the expense of being entirely faithful to Burkert (and we would need to decide where we would put them in our/Burkert's structure). We would also, at that point, not really be talking about "''Major'' deities in Greek religion", though probably that title is a tad problematic to begin with.
:::# For the "Early deities" section, I think it would be best to simply follow Gantz, as his section looks comprehensive (at least as far as the ''Theogony'' is concerned, which is the basis for his structure). (I'll address the "Groups of minor divinities and nature spirits" section in answer 5.)
:::I have thoughts on the other points, but it turns out I have a ''lot'' of thoughts here, ;) so I'll give responses to these ones first. &ndash; [[User:Michael Aurel|Michael Aurel]] ([[User talk:Michael Aurel|talk]]) 10:04, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
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It's not doing any real harm when it's just a link in that section. And in response to how you characterize Wikipedia as not being about this kind of humor, [[WP:IGNORE|ignore all rules]] - if it is a tangible improvement. And I firmly believe that it can be helpful to a small extent: it has the effect of showing via demonstration, rather than just describing via text, how recursion can work. It's beneficial, while not being a big deal, so I don't get why you're adamant about the killjoy attitude towards this.

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:Re: {{Tq| insistent ... hellbent ... adamant ... killjoy}}; these descriptors seem to me to be inappropriately and unnecessarily pejorative on your part, and more importantly inaccurate. I'm not and haven't been insisting on anything. I've just been consistently expressing my personal editorial opinion.
:Re: {{tq|[no] real harm ... can be helpful to a small extent}}; so I read this as saying, that while yes there might be some harm there might be some benefit. Which I agree with. But you also seem to be asserting (without saying why) that the likely benefit outweighs the likely harm.  Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and perhaps you are right. But I happen to disagree. (We could discuss reasons why either harm or benefit might outweigh the other if you like, but you can read my reasons on that talk page.)
:Re: {{tq|it is entirely possible that people may be in favor of adding a recursion link within the article}}; I agree.
:Re: {{tq|if ... the consensus does seem to be in favor of having such a link, would you still be opposed and unilaterally remove such links anyway?}}; No, of course not.
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:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:PermaLink/1282326635#Change to the Oversight team, March 2025|Moneytrees]]

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* '''[[Wikipedia:The Core Contest/Entries|Sign up]]''' for [[Wikipedia:The Core Contest|The Core Contest]], a competition running from 15 April to 31 May to improve [[Wikipedia:Vital articles|vital articles]].
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== ''The Signpost'': 9 April 2025 ==

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== ''The Signpost'': 1 May 2025 ==

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== Administrators' newsletter – May 2025 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (April 2025).

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[[File:Wikipedia Administrator.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rusalkii|Rusalkii]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard/Archive_50#Resysop_Request_(NaomiAmethyst)|NaomiAmethyst]] <small>(overlooked last month)</small>
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|[[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 50#desysop request (Master Jay) April 16, 2025|Master Jay]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1288269060#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2025#April 2025|Orderinchaos]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1287993760#Remove the bit please (Roger Davies)|Roger Davies]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1286257659#Desysop request (Tinucherian)|Tinucherian]]
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[[File:Wikipedia Interface administrator.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Interface administrator changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:Permalink/1288501842#Inactive interface administrators 2025-04-28|Galobtter]]

[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* Following [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase III/Administrator elections|an RfC]], [[WP:AELECT|administrator elections]] were permanently authorized on a five-month schedule. The next election will be scheduled soon; see [[Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections]] for more information. This is an alternate process to the [[WP:RfA|RfA process]] and does not replace the latter.
*[[Wikipedia talk:User pages#RfC: allowing editors to opt-out of seeing floating decorative elements|An RfC]] was closed with consensus to allow editors to opt-out of seeing "sticky decorative elements". Such elements should now be wrapped in {{t|sticky decoration wrapper}}. Editors who wish to opt out can follow the instructions at [[WP:STICKYDECO]].
* [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/AI_images|An RfC]] has resulted in [[WP:AIGI|a broad prohibition]] on the use of AI-generated images in articles. A few common-sense exceptions are recognized.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* A [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2025|'''New Pages Patrol backlog drive''']] is happening in May 2025 to reduce the backlog of articles in the [[Special:NewPagesFeed|new pages feed]]. [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/May 2025/Participants|'''Sign up here to participate!''']]
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== ''The Signpost'': 14 May 2025 ==

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Wishing <b>[[User:Paul August|Paul August]]</b> a very [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&page=User%3APaul_August '''happy adminship anniversary'''] on behalf of the '''[[WP:BDC|Wikipedia Birthday Committee]]'''!

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== Administrators' newsletter – June 2025 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (May 2025).

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[[File:Wikipedia Administrator.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] {{hlist|class=inline
|[[Special:Permalink/1288999861#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2025#May 2025|DDima]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1292067592#Desysop request (Gimmetrow)|Gimmetrow]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1288999861#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2025#May 2025|Huon]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1288999861#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2025#May 2025|Johan Elisson]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1288999861#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2025#May 2025|Spangineer]]
|[[Special:Permalink/1288961984#Please remove my admin tools (The Land)|The Land]]
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[[File:Wikipedia Administrator.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Interface administrator changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Special:Permalink/1292143268#Intadmin for 0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]]

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[[File:Checkuser Logo.svg|20px|alt=]] '''CheckUser changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/1290542988#Change to the functionaries team, May 2025|L235]]

[[File:Oversight logo.png|20px|alt=]] '''Oversight changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg|20px|alt=readded|Readded]] [[Special:Permalink/1290542988#Change to the functionaries team, May 2025|L235]]

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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
* [[Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)#RfC: Adopting a community position on WMF AI development|An RfC]] is open to determine whether the English Wikipedia community should adopt a position on AI development by the [[Wikimedia Foundation|WMF]] and its affiliates.

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
* A new feature called '''[[metawiki:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]]''' will be deployed on English Wikipedia on the week of June 2. See [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20250515103500-Deployment_of_Multiblocks_on_this_wiki_on_June_2-4|the relevant announcement on the administrators' noticeboard]].
*[[WP:HISTMERGE|History merges]] performed using the [[Special:Mergehistory|mergehistory special page]] are now logged at both the source and destination, rather than just the source as previously, after [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 216#RfC: Log the use of the HistMerge tool at both the merge target and merge source|this RFC]] and the resolution of [[phab:T118132|T118132]].
[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
* An arbitration case named ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Indian military history|Indian military history]]'' has been opened. Evidence submissions for this case close on 8 June.

[[File:Info Simple bw.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Miscellaneous'''
* Voting for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)]] election is open until 17 June 2025. Read the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025#Voting|voting page on Meta-Wiki]] and '''[[m:Special:SecurePoll/vote/403|cast your vote here!]]'''
* An [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/June 2025 Backlog Drive|'''Articles for Creation backlog drive''']] is happening in June 2025, with over 1,600 drafts awaiting review from the past two months. In addition to AfC participants, all administrators and new page patrollers can help review using the Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|Gadgets settings]]. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/June 2025 Backlog Drive/Participants|'''Sign up here to participate!''']]
* The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/June 2025|Unreferenced articles backlog drive]] is happening in June 2025 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{tl|Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/June 2025|'''Sign up to participate!''']]
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