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== Burlington and Lamoille Railroad ==

I've looked over Edward Lewis' book ''Vermont's Covered Bridge Road'' for mention of operations out of Cambridge Junction, but didn't find anything more than than this mention of the junction (on pages 34 & 36) and a few photos of the station at that location:
''By 1938 the passenger train was running from St. Johnsbury only as far west as Cambridge Junction where passengers could change to a Central Vermont Railroad (successor to the Burlington & Lamoille Railroad) train and continue on to Burlington.''
I'm sorry for the delayed response, but Lewis' book has no index; so I had the not unpleasant task of re-reading the text. [[User:Thewellman|Thewellman]] ([[User talk:Thewellman|talk]]) 01:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thewellman|Thewellman]] thanks for checking all the same, I really appreciate it. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 10:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

==Hello Mackensen==
I found an article about [[Anoop Trevedi]] who's article is may not meet the [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability guidlines]] of Wikipeida. You may decide what to do.[[User:Knowledgegatherer23|Knowledgegatherer23]] ([[User talk:Knowledgegatherer23|talk]]) 23:49, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

== May 17: WikiWednesday Salon + Queering Wikipedia ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2023|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Brooklyn Public Library]] by Grand Army Plaza, in the Central Library's Info Commons Lab, as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

We will also sync with the '''[[m:QW2023|Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference]]''' and [[:meta:Wiki Loves Pride/2023|Wiki Loves Pride 2023]] and have a Wikidata session on [[LGBT themes in mythology|LGBT themes for figures in religion/mythology]].

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== Is it time to close? ==

We've had six commentators on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Hank_Williams_paid_ghost-writing_claims my Hank Williams sourcing question] at the RS noticeboard. I don't know exactly how many it takes to reach a consensus, but I doubt we're gonna get any more. [[User:Tom Reedy|Tom Reedy]] ([[User talk:Tom Reedy|talk]]) 15:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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== Empire Builder crossing Lake Pend Oreille ==

[[File:Empire Builder crossing Lake Pend Oreille, June 2005.jpg|thumb|right]]
Another fun puzzle: [[:File:Empire Builder crossing Lake Pend Oreille, June 2005.jpg]]. It's unquestionably an eastbound (albeit physically headed northwest) on the [https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2601448,-116.5385459,3a,19.5y,44.18h,89.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8cd3_7jG8M8QXfhOLtWGCA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu Lake Pend Orielle bridge] near Sandpoint. But four things don't make sense:
*The photo is dated June 2005, and since it's in an entire album of a single vacation, I'm inclined to believe it. But didn't Amtrak stop running head-end cars in 2004?
*I'm not aware of Amtrak ever running TOFC, rather than roadrailers
*Four Superliners is awfully short for the ''Empire Builder''
*The ''Empire Builder'' was scheduled to hit Sandpoint [http://www.timetables.org/full.php?group=20050425&item=0091 in the dead of night]. The sun angle here suggests afternoon.
Could this be a freight that happens to be moving Superliners for some reason? [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 19:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] I agree that a non-revenue move makes the most sense. Four Superliners is plausible for the Portland section, but it's in the wrong place for that, and as you say the light is all wrong. That said, I was on a dreadfully late westbound ''Empire Builder'' in 2009 and crossed that bridge in daylight. Amtrak had roadrailers but not TOFC, not that I'm aware of. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 20:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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== June 21: WikiWednesday Salon back in Manhattan! ==

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== Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan ==

Somewhat by accident, I ended up rewriting the history of the [[Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan]]. At this point I might as well go for GA - adding a station list, RDT, route description, and map should be pretty easy. However, I'm short on sources for equipment; ''Classic American Streamliners'' doesn't have anything of note. Would you mind a quick perusal through your collection? It looks like you were the one to add the Wayner source. 

Side note: I doubt it'll be necessary for this purpose, but should you ever want them, [https://www.worldcat.org/title/4442616 this title] mentioned in [[Special:Diff/734260885|this edit]], as well as [https://www.worldcat.org/title/2568406 this title], seem to be available in person near you. Cheers, [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 23:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] looks like I added that reference when I wrote the [[Big Dome]] article; Wayner should have more on the initial equipment sets. I also own Reed's book. I have Wayner and Hough, ''Santa Fe passenger train consists, January 10, 1937'', which is too old, and ''Passenger Train Consists; 1923-1973'', which didn't sample either train. Yenne's ''Santa Fe Chiefs'' is another potential source. I can also check the ''Trains'' and ''Classic Trains'' archives. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 23:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

== The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal ==

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== EMD page comment issue ==
[[Special:Diff/1164760712|"undo removal of my comment, which you ignored anyway"]] I recall getting "edit conflict" as I was trying to put in my own comment, so the removal of your comment was not intentional. Please [[WP:GF|assume good faith]]. I noticed you removed mine too, although maybe it was under similar circumstances. Cheers, [[User:Graywalls|Graywalls]] ([[User talk:Graywalls|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Graywalls|Graywalls]] I thought it would be reasonable to let you decide if your comment was still relevant, given that I addressed part of your argument. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 23:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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== July 19 WikiWednesday + New York Botanical Garden Edit-a-thon (July 29) ==

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We are proud to announce that monthly free food has returned!

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You are also invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our [[:Category:New York Botanical Garden meetups|9th Editathon]] with the New York Botanical Gardens! Attendees familiar with editing Wikipedia can edit off of a worklist focused on the [[Environment of New York City|environment of New York City]]; as well as, a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Environment Task Force/Bronx|sub-list focused on the environment of the Bronx]]. Additionally, [[LuEsther T. Mertz Library]] will pull topical media from their collection to assist the editing. You can also learn more and RSVP on the [https://www.nybg.org/event/wikipedia-environment-of-the-bronx-edit-a-thon/ NYBG website here].

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== Tyrol S-Bahn colors ==

Hey, I was looking at the S# colors at [[Module:Adjacent stations/Tyrol S-Bahn]] and noticed that they were different than those at [[Tyrol S-Bahn]]. Which one uses the correct ones? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 06:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] the module; it's based on https://www.oebb.at/dam/jcr:dca525b7-241b-424e-be99-de42a9c3bb62/liniennetz-tirol.pdf. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 13:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Charles III requested move discussion ==
There is a [[Talk:Charles_III#Requested_move_23_July_2023|new requested move discussion]] in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 07:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

== You've got mail ==

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:Thank you for reaching out. I acknowledge your concern and I think you're reading a meaning that isn't there, though I could be wrong. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 22:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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== WikiWednesday (Aug 23) and Governors Island Wiki-Picnic (Sun Aug 27) ==

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[[File:Wiki World's Fair Island 96.JPG|thumb|right|Group photo from 2012 Governors Island Wiknic]]

Additionally, you are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|the picnic anyone can edit]]''' on [[Governors Island]], at Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house, as part of the [[Wikipedia:Wiknic|Great North American Wiknic]] celebrations (and [[wikimania:2023:Wikimania|Wikimania]] satellite events) being held across the continent.

This is the first big summer Wiknic since [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2019|the 2019 edition]] and will feature an edit-a-thon focused on Governors Island and ArtCrawl Harlem, [[Depths of Wikipedia]] (recently of [[perpetual stew]] fame), as well as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink|plenty more food topics]] drawing on the potluck ethos. All are welcome, new and experienced!

* Sunday, August 27, 2023 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''2:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (come by any time!)
*:Wiknic Discussion Groups: ''3:00 pm – 3:30 pm'' (session A); ''5:00 pm – 5:30 pm'' (session B)
*:Picnic site: [[Governors Island]], 406b Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house. Reach the island by the [https://www.govisland.com/plan-your-visit/ferry Governors Island Ferry].

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== Template:Davies-MidiPOLocoList ==

Hey, do you know if [[Template:Davies-MidiPOLocoList]] is needed? It is currently unused. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 20:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] Unused and presently unusable--I did a few searches to see if the source is used in the text. I checked on the French Wikipedia, and the only citation to any of Davies books appears to be on [[:fr:P8 ex-Prusse]], and it's not to the book in question. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 20:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll send it to TfD then. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 20:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

== Sunday: NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Gov Island ==

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You are invited to the '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic, "the picnic anyone can edit"]]''' on [[Governors Island]], at Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house, as part of the [[Wikipedia:Wiknic|Great North American Wiknic]] celebrations (and [[wikimania:2023:Wikimania|Wikimania]] satellite events) being held across the continent.

This is the first summer Wiknic since [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2019|the 2019 edition]] and will feature an edit-a-thon focused Governors Island and ArtCrawl Harlem, [[Depths of Wikipedia]] and [[perpetual stew]], as well as plenty more food. All are welcome, new and experienced!

* Sunday, August 27, 2023 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''2:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (come by any time!)
*:Wiknic Discussion Groups: ''3:00 pm – 3:30 pm'' (session A); ''5:00 pm – 5:30 pm'' (session B)
*:Picnic site: [[Governors Island]], 406b Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house. Reach the island by the [https://www.govisland.com/plan-your-visit/ferry Governors Island Ferry].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]], and don't forget your sunscreen!

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== Fixing Lua error: Coordinates must be specified on Wikidata or in |coord=. ==

Hia @[[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]], I noticed you fixed another similar error on a rail station back in May, I was wondering if you could do the same for [[Beliaghata Metro Station]] please? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 16:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Qcne|Qcne]] Done. The fix is to connect the article with the Wikidata item, where the coordinations are defined ({{Q|Q109968614}}). [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 16:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

== Always precious ==
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Ten years ago, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#{{BASEPAGENAME}}|you]] were found precious. That's what you are, always. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

== Sep 20: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023|Annual Election & Members Meeting]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. 

The Members' Meeting is similar to other WikiWednesday meetups, except that its primary function is to elect a new Board of Directors. We will elect five board seats. After being elected, those elected can potentially appoint more seats. We will also have a '''fun WikiWednesday'''!

Election info:
* To run for election or to vote, you must be a dues-paying member of Wikimedia New York City, having renewed in the past 12 months.
* Voting will be both online, via emailed ballots from the ElectionBuddy service, and in-person.
* The poll will be open for the 48 hours between 8pm EDT on September 18 and 8pm EDT on September 20.
* For additional information, please consult the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023#Election FAQ|Election FAQ]].

Meeting info:
*Wednesday, September 20 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023|Annual Election & Members Meeting]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
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== Railway guides ==

FYI, I've created [[User:Pi.1415926535/US Railway Guides]] as an index of the various guides. I'm focusing on the 1850s to 1880s for individual links, since the external indexes at the bottom are fairly comprehensive from the 1880s on. Feel free to add any others you find, especially early ones.

* {{ping|Pi.1415926535}} Awesome! I might break out the Hathi links anyway. They're less complete than I'd like; we'll want to try backfilling with Google Books. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 02:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
*[http://www.naotc.org/oldguides/ NAOTC] did some of this work already. I added the first three. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 02:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me. My interest is primarily before 1880 - after that, there's pretty good map coverage for the areas that interest me - but you're welcome to make it suit your needs as well. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 03:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

== Sun Oct 1: NYC Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023 ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023|Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!]]''', with in-person at [https://www.primeproduce.coop/guildhall Prime Produce Guild Hall] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. 

It is being held in the middle of [[National Hispanic Heritage Month (United States)|National Hispanic Heritage Month]] (Sep 15–Oct 15). 

Some past local [[edit-a-thon]]s touching on this area have included the two editions of [[Wikipedia:Meetup/WikiArte]] at MoMA in 2015-16, and the [[m:Translat-a-thon/NYC/2023|CUNY LaGuardia translat-a-thons]] held annually since 2018.

Meeting info:
*Sunday, October 1 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023|Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''1:00 pm – 5:00 pm''
*: ([https://www.primeproduce.coop/guildhall Prime Produce Guild Hall], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
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All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

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== [[Template:Winnipeg–Churchill train routemap]] ==

Hi, I recently edited this template to hide minor stops, much like what I had done with ''The Canadian''.  I still don't quite understand the markup though - the line does not quite match up at Gladstone station.  Your help is appreciated - thanks! [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 16:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] I find the collapsible markup tricky myself; I took a stab and couldn't get it to come out right. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 16:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
== "[[:Tidal railway station]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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== Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York (Oct 21–22) and Wikidata Day (Oct 29) ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki.NYC Pavilion|Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. [https://ohny.org/place/wiki-nyc-pavilion-prime-produce-guild-hall/ The event] will feature several interactive exhibits highlighting the "wiki way" for New York City

*Saturday, October 21 & Sunday, October 22 '''([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki.NYC Pavilion#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''10:00 am – 6:30 pm'' (come by any time, either or both days!)
*:[https://www.primeproduce.coop/guildhall Prime Produce Guild Hall], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]

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[[File:2023_Wikidata_Day_NYC_flyer_blue.png|thumb|right|2023 Wikidata Day NYC flyer]]

Additionally, you are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023|Wikidata Day in New York City]]''' at [[Butler Library]], [[Columbia University]], in celebration of [[Wikidata]]'s 11th birthday. This coincides with the online/global [[d:Wikidata:WikidataCon 2023|WikidataCon 2023]] and is a sequel to [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day|Wikidata Day 2022]]. The event will feature a Harlem Arts & Culture edit-a-thon, spotlight sessions, lightning talks, and cake!

* Sunday, October 29, 2023 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023|Wikidata Day in New York City]] ([https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikidata-day-nyc-2023-tickets-735689496087 RSVP required on Eventbrite] and optional [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023#Sign up|on-wiki]])'''.
*:''11:00 am – 5:15 pm''
*:[[Butler Library]] (Room 203), 535 West 114th Street, [[Morningside Heights]]
*:RSVP off-wiki is '''required'''!
*:See the event page for a tentative schedule.

At both events, all attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. 

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== Nov 15: WikiWednesday Salon + Wikimedia NYC Executive Director job ==

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All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

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== 611fan2001 ==

Just to give you a heads up, I wasn’t the one that started the issue, 611fan2001 was the one that caused it. I was only trying to follow the policy and to prevent the article from being vandalized. He’s been doing this for four years already, when ever he sees and edit he doesn’t like, he would go to their talk page and send the user a rude and nasty message very aggressively. When users try to reason with him over his aggressive behavior, he will not accept criticism. But don’t get me wrong. I know yelling at someone and attacking them on their talk page is not ok. Because he still hasn’t been warned yet abd it still baffles my mind that you guys haven’t warn him about his behavior yet, because attacking users on their talk page is not ok and it’s against Wikipedia’s policy to do so. [[Special:Contributions/199.180.167.20|199.180.167.20]] ([[User talk:199.180.167.20|talk]]) 19:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:You should explain on the article talk page why your edits are correct. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 19:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

First off, you didn’t even acknowledge what I wrote and said about 611fan2001. He’s been doing this for four years already, he still hasn’t warned yet over his aggressive behavior. He literally attacks users on their talk page and tells what to do and what not to do, as I stated, he won’t take criticism whenever users try to reason with him. Because attacking users on their talk pages is not ok. [[Special:Contributions/199.180.167.20|199.180.167.20]] ([[User talk:199.180.167.20|talk]]) 19:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:You're making assertions without [[WP:DIFF|diffs]]. There's nothing for me to respond to. For me, the important thing is you're making a change that doesn't have consensus on the talk page of the article. That's what really matters. People don't agree with your reading of the sources. That's where you should focus your efforts. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 19:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the article changes, again, it’s 611fan2001 that needs to disciplined for his aggressive behavior. This behavior of his is not ok, I don’t have a problem of him following the Wikipedia policy, that I’m fine with, it’s his aggressive behavior that needs to be changed. Because it’s not ok to talk aggressive to users on their talk pages. [[Special:Contributions/199.180.167.20|199.180.167.20]] ([[User talk:199.180.167.20|talk]]) 20:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:I've asked you for diffs in a few places; you're not willing to provide any. I've suggested that you engage on the talk page; you're reverting instead. This won't get you anywhere. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 21:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

::Thank you for standing up for me. He’s still the same self-absorbed user for not listening to a word that I just said from late 2022. 🤦‍♂️ [[User:611fan2001|611fan2001]] ([[User talk:611fan2001|talk]]) 22:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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== Wed Dec 6: Hacking Night + job listing ==

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== Thu Jan 4: Hacking Night + Wikipedia Day soon ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night January 2024|NYC Hacking Night]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. This event is a successor to our inaugural December 2023 Hacking Night. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and Wikimedia's [[mw:Code of Conduct|Technical Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
*Thursday, January 4 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night January 2024|Hacking Night @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night January 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''7:00 pm – 9:30 pm'' (Introductions + Hacking)
*:''9:30 pm – 10:00 pm'' (Showcase)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])

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In addition, you are invited to Wikipedia Day 2024, hosted at [[Columbia University]] by the [[Brown Institute for Media Innovation]] with Wikimedia NYC. [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikipedia-day-tickets-779571558517 Eventbrite RSVP is required], while RSVP on-wiki is also highly encouraged.

The special focus this year will be [[Artificial intelligence in Wikimedia projects]].

More details about the event will be shared later, but save the date for now!
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== Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night February 2024|NYC Hacking Night]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and Wikimedia's [[mw:Code of Conduct|Technical Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
*Thursday, February 8 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night February 2024|Hacking Night @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night February 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''7:00 pm – 9:30 pm'' (Introductions + Hacking)
*:''9:30 pm – 10:00 pm'' (Showcase)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])

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WikiWednesday is back this month! You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/February 2024|WikiWednesday Salon]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], with an online-based participation option also available. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! 

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

Meeting info:
*Wednesday, February 21 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/February 2024|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/February 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:Wikipedia requested images of Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority stations]]==
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A tag has been placed on [[:Category:Wikipedia requested images of Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority stations]] indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a [[:Category:Disambiguation categories|disambiguation category]], a [[:Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories|category redirect]], a [[:Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories|featured topics category]], under discussion at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]], or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under [[WP:CSD#C1|section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion]]. 

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Category:Wikipedia requested images of Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority stations|visiting the page]] and removing the speedy deletion tag. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> [[User:GunnarBonk|GunnarBonk]] ([[User talk:GunnarBonk|talk]]) 01:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

== Oskar von dem Hagen discussion ==

Why did you reopen the discussion. A concensus has been reached, so I closed the discussion. [[User:Antny08|Antny08]] ([[User talk:Antny08|talk]]) 13:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Antny08|Antny08]] Please have a look at [[WP:CLOSEAFD]]. If I were closing the discussion, I would say that a consensus had been reached to delete, not redirect. As a participant in the discussion, it wouldn't be proper for me to close it. You're both a participant and the primary author of the article, so it's not proper for you to close it either. Deletion discussions typically run for seven days. Be patient. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 14:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
::I don’t want to lose my edits though, because if they get deleted then they don’t account when applying for administratorship. [[User:Antny08|Antny08]] ([[User talk:Antny08|talk]]) 14:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

== Fandom ==

Hey do you do editing on Fandom as well because if you do I want you to make a few edits for me since I can’t do it anymore. I’ve been permanently blocked [[User:Max the Media Fan|Max the Media Fan]] ([[User talk:Max the Media Fan|talk]]) 17:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

== Tue March 5: Wiki Gala NYC ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community and visitors from the global [[Wikimedia Foundation]] for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki Gala 2024|Wiki Gala]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. All are welcome!

This is a sequel to the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/March 2023|March 2023 Grand Central Salon]] and the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Brunch|March 2022 Wiki-Tent Brunch]].

The event will feature lightning talks and a Wiki-fashion show, for which you are encouraged to dress in your finest [[commons:Category:Wikimedia_clothing|Wikimedia clothing]] and accessories (bags, buttons, even books), or clothing connected to the topics you edit on wiki projects. 

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

Meeting info:
*Tuesday, March 5 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki Gala 2024|Wiki Gala @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki Gala 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 10:00 pm''
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
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== WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Pi Day Hacking Night|Pi Day Hacking Night]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well, and pies will be served in celebration of [[Pi Day]]!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and Wikimedia's [[mw:Code of Conduct|Technical Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
*Thursday, March 14 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Pi Day Hacking Night|Hacking Night @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Pi Day Hacking Night#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''7:00 pm – 9:30 pm'' (Introductions + Hacking + Pie)
*:''9:30 pm – 10:00 pm'' (Showcase)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
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You are also invited to the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Queens Name Explorer]] edit-a-thon at the [[Queens Public Library]] Tech Lab in [[Long Island City]], which will be hosted in collaboration [https://openstreetmap.us/ OpenStreetMap US], [https://www.urbanarchive.nyc/ Urban Archive] and the [https://queensmemory.org/ Queens Memory Project]. This is an opportunity for the tech savvy to learn about Queens history and for the history savvy to hone their open data skills – plus, there will be refreshments and prizes for everyone! 

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

Meeting info:
*Saturday, March 16 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Queens Name Explorer|Queens Name Explorer @ QPL Tech Lab]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Queens Name Explorer#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''11:00 am – 1:00 pm'' (Morning edit-a-thon, focusing on Wikidata)
*:''1:00 pm – 4:00 pm'' (Afternoon edit-a-thon, focusing on OpenStreetMap)
*: (Tech Lab, [[Queens Public Library]] at [[Queensbridge Houses|Queensbridge]], [[Long Island City]])
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== Self-outing advice ==

Hi Mackensen, I came over here because you're already interacting with an individual who's been trying to contact Amanda duPont - they're using the accounts [[User:Sikobuhle]] and [[User:Mavela buhle]] as well as [[Special:Contributions/197.90.73.17|an IP]]. At one point, they added their name [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Amanda_Du-Pont&oldid=1213369621#relationship]. Since Canterbury Tail had a theory they could be a minor I did a quick Google and although they are an adult, it appears they may have some intellectual difficulties. To me it feels like the self-outing should probably be revdel'd if this is the case; I didn't want to post on AN/I because of how visible it is, hence this comment. If this isn't revdel-worthy, sorry for taking up your time! [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 04:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] I think you make a good case, and I've referred it to the Oversight team. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 10:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you Mackensen, I appreciate it. [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 02:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

== RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I ==

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review]] is now '''no longer accepting new proposals'''. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship|RfA]]'s structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 2: Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA|Proposal 2]]''', initiated by {{noping|HouseBlaster}}, provides for the addition of a text box at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]] reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3: Add three days of discussion before voting (trial)|Proposals 3]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3b: Make the first two days discussion-only (trial)|3b]]''', initiated by {{noping|Barkeep49}} and {{noping|Usedtobecool}}, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 4: Prohibit threaded discussion (trial)|Proposal 5]]''', initiated by {{noping|SilkTork}}, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal 6c: Provisional adminship via sortition (admin nomination)|Proposals 6c]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal 6d: Provisional adminship via sortition (criteria to be determined)|6d]]''', initiated by {{noping|BilledMammal}}, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 7: Threaded General Comments|Proposal 7]]''', initiated by {{noping|Lee Vilenski}}, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 9b: Require links for claims of specific policy violations|Proposal 9b]]''', initiated by {{noping|Reaper Eternal}}, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 12c: Lower the high end of the bureaucrats' discretionary zone from 75% to 70%|Proposals 12c]]''', '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 21: Reduce threshold of consensus at RfA|21]]''', and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 21b: Slightly reduce threshold of consensus at RfA|21b]]''', initiated by {{noping|City of Silver}}, {{u|Ritchie333}}, and {{u|HouseBlaster}}, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 13: Admin elections|Proposal 13]]''', initiated by {{noping|Novem Lingaue}}, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 14: Suffrage requirements|Proposal 14]]''', initiated by {{noping|Kusma}}, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16: Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs|Proposals 16]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16c: Community recall process based on dewiki|16c]]''', initiated by {{noping|Thebiguglyalien}} and {{noping|Soni}}, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|administrators' noticeboard]]; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16e: Allow the community to initiate recall RfBs|Proposal 16e]]''', initiated by {{noping|BilledMammal}}, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 17: Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions|Proposal 17]]''', initiated by {{noping|SchroCat}}, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 18: Normalize the RfB consensus requirements|Proposal 18]]''', initiated by {{noping|theleekycauldron}}, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 24: Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process|Proposal 24]]''', initiated by {{noping|SportingFlyer}}, provides for a more robust alternate version of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll|optional candidate poll]].
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 25: Require nominees to be extended confirmed|Proposal 25]]''', initiated by {{noping|Femke}}, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 27: Introduce training/periodic retraining for admins|Proposal 27]]''', initiated by {{noping|WereSpielChequers}}, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
* '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 28: limiting multi-part questions|Proposal 28]]''', initiated by {{noping|HouseBlaster}}, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals]]. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her), via:

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== Icons in |zone= parameter of Infobox station ==

Hey, should icons be used in the {{para|zone}} parameter of {{tl|Infobox station}} like in [[Mammendorf station]] or regular links? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] I don't think there's consensus one way or the other. I haven't seen icons used very often for fare zones, though we likely have them for Central European tariff associations. Certainly they should be smaller. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 12:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

== Glencoe station diagram ==

Hello, I noticed your deletion of the station diagram for [[Glencoe station]] today, and while I noticed some errors with the diagram and your reasoning was justified, I do not fully agree with it but was wondering if a proposition was possible.

I understand that Wikipedia is not a guide, but the intention was to show a top-down layout of the station and immediate surrounding area, similar to the photograph(s) shown on many other station pages. The diagram and others like it are not intended to provide wayfinding.

Additionally, you had a valid point in that a station with two tracks does not need such detail, but one notable caveat with this line is that it is left-hand running, and may be a notable quirk for those that visit the page.

Finally, when I looked at the most recent version of the diagram prior to deletion, I noticed some problems with what got published. There are no excuses for that and I will have to polish it up, but the main question is… considering the points I made, and if I ironed out its errors and made it collapsed by default, could I restore it to the page?

I suppose I am making a mountain out of a molehill, but I wanted to give my side of the problem and hear yours before adding it back, or conceding and not adding it back.

Thank you for your time, sorry for the long read at a late hour, and I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you. [[User:Hotdog with ketchup|Hotdog with ketchup]] ([[User talk:Hotdog with ketchup|talk]]) 04:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Hotdog with ketchup|Hotdog with ketchup]] thank you for your kind and detailed note. I'm guided by the 2020 RfC on station layouts, which was skeptical about diagrams in certain cases: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC]]. I wasn't concerned about potential errors in the diagram--I don't know the area well and wouldn't have spotted them--but simply that a two-tracked station doesn't need an explanatory diagram. I agree that left-hand running is a notable quirk of the ex-CNW lines, and can and should be explained in text, but I don't know that a diagram is necessary to convey that information. Whether that takes us into trivial territory is another matter. I don't think it does, because that ''is'' unusual in the US.
:I don't feel strongly on the question of including the diagram; if you would like to restore it I won't revert. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 09:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

== Thank you ... ==

... for using language like "impassioned rhetoric" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1216695985 here] rather than language like "hysterical histrionics" which 2-3 contributors to that discussion seem to want to keep repeating to no end! Sincetely, [[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 13:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:You're welcome, and I hope you'll consider my advice. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 13:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
::Definitely! Your wording did the trick. You noticed, I hope, that further up I had apologized sincerely for the text formatting? --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 13:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

== WikiWednesday (April 10) and City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (April 11) ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/April 2024|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. 

Among the topics, we'll be covering the [[m:Movement Charter#Current drafts|newly-released drafts of the Movement Charter]] for Wikimedia global governance.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

*Wednesday, April 10 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/April 2024|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/April 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
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Additionally, you are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/City Tech Library 2024|City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon]]''' at the [[New York City College of Technology]] Library in Downtown Brooklyn! Join us in person on April 11th to learn about these great new materials at City Tech Library; to learn about editing Wikipedia; and to help increase representation of LGBTQIA individuals and issues online. All are welcome, new and experienced!

Interested in attending, but not a CUNY student or faculty? Please get in touch; we'll help you navigate City Tech building security. Email Jen: jennifer.hoyer18 (at) citytech.cuny.edu.

* Thursday, April 11 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/City Tech Library 2024|City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/City Tech Library 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''12:30 pm – 3:30 pm'' (come by any time!)
*:''4:00 pm – 5:00 pm'' (reception to celebrate the library's LGBTQIA collection)
*:City Tech Library Multimedia Screening and Meeting Space, 300 Jay Street, Brooklyn NY

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

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== Thu April 25: WikiNYC Hacking Night ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night April 2024|NYC Hacking Night]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and Wikimedia's [[mw:Code of Conduct|Technical Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
*Thursday, April 25 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night April 2024|Hacking Night @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night April 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''7:00 pm – 9:30 pm'' (Introductions + Hacking)
*:''9:30 pm – 10:00 pm'' (Showcase)
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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your outstanding work converting [[Beloit and Madison Railroad]] from a stub into a proper article, saving it at AfD. [[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] ([[User talk:Trainsandotherthings|talk]]) 01:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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:Thank you! [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 01:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C ==

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Dear Wikimedian,

You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process.

This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024|voting page on Meta-wiki]] to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please [[m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Charter|review the U4C Charter]].

Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.

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== User page libraries ==

Hi, I noticed a while ago that you had a subpage for the books that you can help reference, so I shamelessly did the same. I was just made aware of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Shared Resources]] and just wanted to let you know of it as well if you weren't aware. Cheers, [[User:Fork99|Fork99]] ([[User talk:Fork99|talk]]) 02:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

== RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins ==

Hi there! Phase I of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review]] has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

* '''Proposals 2 and 9b'''  ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Reminder of civility norms at RfA|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 2: Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA|Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 9b: Require links for claims of specific policy violations|Require links for claims of specific policy violations]]
* '''Proposal 3b''' (in trial): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3b: Make the first two days discussion-only (trial)|Make the first two days discussion-only]]
* '''Proposal 13''' (in trial): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 13: Admin elections|Admin elections]]
* '''Proposal 14''' (implemented): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 14: Suffrage requirements|Suffrage requirements]]
* '''Proposals 16 and 16c''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator recall|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 16: Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs|Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16c%3A_Community_recall_process_based_on_dewiki|Community recall process based on dewiki]]
* '''Proposal 17''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Designated RfA monitors|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 17: Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions|Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions]]
* '''Proposal 24''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Mentoring process|phase II discussion]]'''): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 24: Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process|Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process]]
* '''Proposal 25''' (implemented): [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 25: Require nominees to be extended confirmed|Require nominees to be extended confirmed]]
See the [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review|project page]] for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[user talk:theleekycauldron|talk]]), via [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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== May 8: WikiWednesday Salon with new Executive Director ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2024|monthly WikiWednesday Salon]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], with an online-based participation option also available. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! 

This special WikiWednesday will feature a welcome session and beginning of a listening tour by the newly appointed [[executive director]] of Wikimedia NYC, the first staff member leading our local non-profit.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. 
Meeting info:
*Wednesday, May 8 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2024|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]
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== [[Chicago, Madison and Northern Railroad]] ==

I just created this article and I see that you have access to offline sources, so I think those should be added. [[User:CyberTheTiger|Cyber the tiger]] ([[User talk:CyberTheTiger|talk]]) 14:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:CyberTheTiger|CyberTheTiger]] I've started a discussion at [[Draft talk:Chicago, Madison and Northern Railroad (1886–1903)]]. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 01:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

== A fox for you! ==

[[File:Vulpes vulpes laying in snow.jpg|left|150px]]
Your contributions are just amazing!
Thank you for all of the information!!! :)

[[User:Iceypurple|Iceypurple]] ([[User talk:Iceypurple|talk]]) 06:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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== [[Oregon (town), Wisconsin]] ==

i just added content to this article and know you have access to offline sources. [[User:CyberTheTiger|Cyber the tiger]] ([[User talk:CyberTheTiger|talk]]) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:CyberTheTiger|CyberTheTiger]] There are plenty of decent online sources as well; especially for modern railroads. I believe the line in Oregon is actually owned by the city and isn't abandoned. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 21:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

== Trans-Siberian Railway ==

Hello, I noticed that you reverted my edit on [[Template:Trans-Siberian Railway]]. Your revert was justified and I will only be going back to fix one particular row, but I will add that collapsible sections within diagrams are very finicky, and almost never line up, especially between browsers and/or devices. Both before and after my edit, the end station was about half a space off when viewing the template, and a full space in the article (using Safari on an iPhone.)

I will leave the spacing as-is, but I encourage you to look at the same diagram with a different device, as it may look completely different. It is why I avoid working with collapsible diagrams.

Thank you for your hard work, cheers. [[User:Hotdog with ketchup|Hotdog with ketchup]] ([[User talk:Hotdog with ketchup|talk]]) 12:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Hotdog with ketchup|Hotdog with ketchup]] I agree completely regarding collapsible sections. I'm not a fan of them in general and never use them with diagrams that I've started. The Trans-Siberian, admittedly, is a special case. My involvement there was limited to migrating it to the routemap style, and IIRC I had a hell of a time getting the spacing to line up as well as it does now. Cheers, [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 13:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

== June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic) ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Sunday|Hacking Sunday]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well! The event runs for the whole day, though you are welcome to come by for as little or as long as you'd like.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and Wikimedia's [[mw:Code of Conduct|Technical Code of Conduct]].

A documentary filmmaker will be in attendance, working on ''Rabbit Hole'', which aims to document Wikipedia's community to showcase how our network tackles important questions about how history is recorded. They will be in attendance to film snippets of this gathering for the documentary. It is completely optional to be a part of the film and there will be protocols in place if you wish to not be filmed. If there are any questions about the filming please reach out to the filmmaker, Meg Vatterott (meg.vatterott@gmail.com). 

Meeting info:
*Suunday, June 2 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Sunday|Hacking Sunday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Sunday#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''9:00 am – 8:00 pm''
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])

<big>P.S. Next up will be '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024|Sat June 8 Wiknic on Governors Island]]!'''</big>
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== [[Chicago, St. Paul and Fond du Lac Railroad]] ==

I'm starting this article. [[User:CyberTheTiger|Cyber the tiger]] ([[User talk:CyberTheTiger|talk]]) 20:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
==[[:Category:Rome Braves players]] has been nominated for renaming==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>[[:Category:Rome Braves players]] has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categorization]] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 29#Category:Rome Braves players|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. [[User:BullDawg2021|BullDawg2021]] ([[User talk:BullDawg2021|talk]]) 21:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

== Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic ==

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You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024|the picnic anyone can edit]]''' on [[Governors Island]], at 403 Colonels Row by the [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house. 

This is a sequel event to [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|the 2023 Governors Island Wiknic]] and will feature a workshop led by [[AfroCrowd]] at the ArtCrawl Harlem house. We'll also encourage collaboration for wiki-coverage of ArtCrawl Harlem's current exhibition at Governors Island. 
All are welcome, new and experienced!

Bring a picnic blanket and some [[potluck]], as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide sandwiches for everyone, and maybe some NYC pizza too, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink|food cultural topics]] you would like to improve on Wikipedia. 

We'll also [[New York–Dublin Portal|do a portal thing]] for a bit with West Coast friends at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Wiknic2024]].

'''Saturday, June 8, 2024 [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024|NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''
* '''Time:''' 12:30–7:00 pm ''(come by any time!)''
* '''Demystifying AI for Creatives: A Wiki and Media Workshop:''' 2:30–5:00 pm (indoor presentation led by [[AfroCrowd]] and [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]])
* '''Location:''' [[Governors Island]] (picnic site: 403 Colonels Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house). Reach the island by the [https://www.govisland.com/plan-your-visit/ferry Governors Island Ferry].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

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==  [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Henri Gouraud (disambiguation)]] ==
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The article [[:Henri Gouraud (disambiguation)]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32;because of the following concern:
<blockquote>'''Disambiguation page not required ([[WP:ONEOTHER]]). Primary topic article has a hatnote to the only other use.'''</blockquote>

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be [[WP:DEL#REASON|deleted for any of several reasons]].

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]] or on [[Talk:Henri Gouraud (disambiguation)|the article's talk page]].

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion process]], but other [[Wikipedia:deletion process|deletion process]]es exist. In particular, the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] process can result in deletion without discussion, and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|articles for deletion]] allows discussion to reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
== Nomination for deletion of [[:Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad]] ==
[[File:Ambox warning blue.svg|30px|link=]][[:Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad]] has been [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|nominated for deletion]]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 16#Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad|'''the entry on the Templates for discussion page''']].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> [[User:DB1729|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;color:#4B0082;">'''''DB'''''</span><span style="color:DeepSkyBlue"><small>'''''1729'''''</small></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:DB1729|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''''talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 23:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

== TfD for [[Template:Warsaw central stations]] ==

Any thoughts about the use of {{tl|enlarge}} there and in other RDTs? ([[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 19#Template:Warsaw central stations]].) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 04:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] I think Gonnym has a point. It seems unlikely that a reader would follow such a small symbol to view the more detailed template. If by chance they do so, they're no longer in the article space and might have some difficult getting back, and the template page itself doesn't have all the article context. In paper maps, you'd indicate a inset with a bounding box and such, but that's not really feasible here. An RfC may well be called for; I don't think there's ever been a broad discussion about this pattern. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 09:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

== EMD SD9E ==

You may have noticed that the disruptive PROD on this article references the Australian Railroad IP. The IP address geolocates to Melbourne, one of the two Australian cities this editor frequents. This is pretty clearly that editor evading their block yet again and telling on themselves in the process. [[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] ([[User talk:Trainsandotherthings|talk]]) 13:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] yep. I'm suspicious of the sourcing on EMD SD9E; I have an ILL request open for the ''Diesel Era'' article. We'll probably wind up redirecting it. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 16:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

== June 26: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024|Online-Only WikiWednesday Salon]]''' on Zoom. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! 

This special online-only WikiWednesday will be dedicated to the [[m:Movement Charter|Wikimedia Movement Charter]] referendum, and also to exploring future options of other online-centric events for our Wikimedia NYC chapter.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. 
Meeting info:
*Wednesday, June 26 ''' [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024|ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''7:00 pm – 8:30 pm''
*: '''Not in-person this month'''
*: Online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]
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== Fri July 19: Wikicurious in NYC, Editing Wikipedia for Beginners ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for the inaugural event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series at [[Civic Hall at Union Square|Civic Hall]]! All are welcome, and newcomers and aspiring editors are especially encouraged to attend.

'''Registration via [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-wikipedia-for-beginners-tickets-929793225567 Eventbrite] is required''' for building entry, and is also encouraged on [[meta:Event:Wikicurious WikiNYC Civic Hall|the event page on Meta]].

The Wikicurious series at Civic Hall is supported by [[Craig_Newmark#Philanthropy|Craig Newmark Philanthropies]]. Wikimedia NYC is an official affiliate and supported by the [[meta:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
* '''Date:''' Friday, July 19, 2024
* '''Time:''' 3:00–8:00 p.m.
* '''Location:''' [[w:Civic Hall at Union Square|Civic Hall]] 124 East 14th Street, Floor [''TBD''], New York, NY 
* '''Equipment:''' Please bring your own computer. We are not yet able to provide loaner laptops.
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== Ambiguous rail links ==

Apologies for forgetting that you fix [[User:Certes/Reports/Ambiguous rail links|Ambiguous rail links]] when I turned off automated reports in my retirement tidy-up. The simplistic query throws up a few false positives.  Links from portals are often in an automated "new pages of interest" section aimed at editors and will go away after a while.  A few genuine but non-rail targets like [[Fashion line]] appear.  [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/Guide#Railway stations]] has some hints on fixing the problems; you probably knew everything in there but may be able to improve it.  Thanks for continuing the good work, [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 23:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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==Disambiguation link notification for August 3 ==

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== Anonymous user mass reverting your edits ==

Hi. I've wanted to let you know that I've noticed an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:18C:8B82:9E0:445B:D755:3F28:857B anonnymous IP user is mass reverting a lot of your edits without giving any proper rationale.] It seems as if this particular IP is targeting you specifically, and I'm not sure why this is the case, but it is clear to me that it is a vandalism-only account. I noticed this while I was editing some articles on the [[VTA light rail]] in particular, some of their reverts have restored station layout diagrams with [[Wikipedia:Red link|red links]] due to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_31#Template:VTA_Platform_Layout_Blue_Line/next deletion of these templates]. [[User:OrdinaryScarlett|OrdinaryScarlett]] ([[User talk:OrdinaryScarlett|talk]]) 07:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:I was wondering why I had 67 notifications this morning. Thanks for the heads-up. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 10:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

== Sat August 24: Roosevelt Island Wiknic ==

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You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024|the picnic anyone can edit]]''' on [[Roosevelt Island]], at Southpoint Park. 

Following up on [[wikimania:2024:Wikimania|this month's Wikimania in Poland]], this Wiknic will have as guest of honor [[User:DerHexer]], the [[Wikimedian of the Year#Wikimedia Laureate (formerly 20th Year Honouree)|2024 Wikimedia Laureate of the Year]], marking his triumphant North American tour! 

Bring a picnic blanket and some [[potluck]], as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide a little something for everyone, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink|food cultural topics]] you would like to improve on Wikipedia. 

We'll also [[New York–Dublin Portal|do a portal thing]] for a bit with West Coast friends at the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Manhattan Beach Edit-a-thon|WikiLA ocean life edit-a-thon]].

All are welcome, new and experienced!

'''Saturday, August 24, 2024 [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024|NYC Wiknic @ Roosevelt Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''
* '''Time:''' 2:00 - 7:00 pm ''(come by any time!)''
*'''[[Salon (gathering)|Salon-style]] Discussions:''' 3:00 pm - 3:30 pm (session A) 5:00 pm - 5:30 pm (session B)
* '''Location:''' [[Roosevelt Island]] (Southpoint Park, look for our Wikipedia/Wikimedia NYC banner).

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

*See also upcoming events in September and October at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC]].
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== Policy for RDTs ==

Has there ever been a discussion that clearly established that having RDTs in template space is acceptable? There's [[Template:Minute Man|yet another RDT]] at TfD with the usual single-use argument. At some point, it's probably necessary to have [[WP:TG]] explicitly allow RDTs. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 18:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

:I'm not aware of any actual discussion; it's just convention and the outcome of previous TfDs. RDTs as implemented cut against existing guidelines: hiding content from users, storing article content in the template namespace. Divorcing that content from the article itself creates situations where the two diverge, and also the phenomenon of RDTs that don't have associated articles. I don't know, I'm coming around to the idea that maybe RDTs ''should'' move back into their articles. What are the arguments against? [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 18:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
::The main thing is editability - it's much easier to edit (and debug) the RDT on a separate page than when surrounded by the rest of the wikitext, and vastly easier to edit an article without dozens of lines of code that's very different from any other kind of wikitext. It also decreases the chance that a careless search-and-replace or Visual Editor bug messes up the RDT. RDTs (even those not as templates) don't tend to be edited much by newer editors simply because of their complex nature, so I doubt it actually discourages anyone who would otherwise make constructive edits to RDTs. I consider it akin to hosting images (even those highly unlikely to be used anywhere except a single article) on Commons, with the information and image file stored separately from any articles it's used in.
::I don't know if it's any less likely for RDTs to diverge if they're directly in the article. It's not going to be any less tricky for newer editors to figure out the RDT code if it's in the article, while experienced editors tend to be aware that RDTs need updated.
::At this point, there is also an argument simply from inertia: what tangible benefit would it make to subst all 6,000+ RDTs? Aside from the attribution issues you brought up, there doesn't seem to be any major benefit to editors or readers that would justify the work. Compare to conversion to routemap which greater improved RDT display, or to adjacent stations which greatly simplified the backend. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 19:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!) ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024|Annual Election & Members Meeting]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. 

The Members' Meeting is similar to other WikiWednesday meetups, except that its primary function is to elect a new Board of Directors. We will elect three board seats, half of the elected seats on the board. After being elected, those elected can potentially appoint more seats.

We will also focus on the Wikimedia NYC Strategic Plan, our Financial Report, and Annual and Monthly event teams for the coming year.

Election info:
* To run for election or to vote, you must be a dues-paying member of Wikimedia New York City, having renewed in the past 12 months.
* Voting will be both online, via emailed ballots from the ElectionBuddy service, and in-person.
* The poll will be open for the 48 hours between 8pm EDT on September 23 and 8pm EDT on September 25.
* For additional information, please consult the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024#Election FAQ|Election FAQ]].

Meeting info:
*Wednesday, September 25 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024|Annual Election & Members Meeting]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

<big>P.S. Also upcoming just before our annual meeting is the Latin music edit-a-thon, [[m:Event:Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat|Wikicurious: Editing to the Beat]] ([https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-to-the-beat-tickets-1009115641047 RSVP at Eventbrite]), on Saturday September 21!
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== Sep 21: Wikicurious for Latin Music: Editing to the Beat ♫ ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for the "Editing to the Beat" event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series at [[Lehman College]]. This is the second event of the series, following the [[meta:Event:Wikicurious WikiNYC Civic Hall|inaugural event]] at Civic Hall in July. Led by a '''9-person live band demonstrating Caribbean and Latin musical genres''', we'll engage with efforts such as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin music|WikiProject Latin Music]], and will encourage editing on both English and Spanish Wikipedia. All are welcome, and newcomers and aspiring editors are especially encouraged to attend. Registration via [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-to-the-beat-tickets-1009115641047 Eventbrite] is '''required''' for building entry, and is also encouraged on '''[[meta:Event:Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat|the event page on Meta]]'''.

The Wikicurious series is supported by [[Craig_Newmark#Philanthropy|Craig Newmark Philanthropies]]. Wikimedia NYC is an official affiliate and supported by the [[meta:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]]. Also supporting this event are Equis, The Celia Cruz Foundation, and the International Museum of Salsa. In association with WikiCari and AfroCrowd.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
* '''Date:''' Saturday, September 21, 2024
* '''Time:''' 1:00–7:00 p.m.
* '''Location:''' [[Lehman College]] (CUNY) 250 Bedford Park Blvd W, Bronx, NY
* '''Equipment:''' Please bring your own computer. We are not yet able to provide loaner laptops.
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<big>P.S. Upcoming WikiNYC meetups:</big>
*Wed Sep 25: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024|Wikimedia NYC Annual Election/Members Meeting 2024]]!
*Sat Oct 26: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2024|Wikidata Day 2024]]!

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== Asking for feedback ==

Given your experience on Wikipedia and the areas around it, I'd like to hear you out, because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here and I must be missing something. If you or I were to leave someone a message in good faith, and they were to reply that you suffer from delusion, you're mindless, you're an inexperienced, overconfident, careless editor, you're turning articles to shit, and you're incompetent (among other things), surely letting that go on is a liability for the project? In my mind, if it chases away a single potentially productive editor, failing to address it makes us just as responsible for losing the thousands of contributions that productive editor would have otherwise made. And I think it would be naive to say that tolerance of a toxic environment has only chased away one potential editor. For what it's worth, I agree with your stance on civility restrictions; I intended it as a [[WP:ROPE]] for him and a compromise for those hesitant about indeffs. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 01:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thebiguglyalien|Thebiguglyalien]] No, you're not taking crazy pills. It's hard problem and there aren't good solutions. I agree with all you say about the problems of toxicity and editor retention and I've made that point myself in the past. There were a few things about this situation in particular that guided my response:
:# Keystone18 isn't a new editor. They have ~120K edits since 2018. They and EEng have interacted before. This isn't a case of a senior editor being over-the-top rude to a new editor.
:# It's arguable that it was in good faith. The two have been involved in some back-and-forth on articles, and one comes to the other's talk page to explain to them how they ought to edit. That does not justify EEng's tone.
:# The discussion on EEng's talk page included multiple editors who thought that Keystone18 was the last person to be lecturing EEng about how to edit. This was reinforced on the ANI discussion, with at least one other uninvolved editor bringing up Keystone18's use of edit summaries.
:# The discussion on EEng's talk page hadn't broken down to the point that admin intervention was useful. As I said, I don't think civility restrictions work. An interaction ban would have felt premature, especially since neither party was asking for one.
:Enforcing civility shouldn't depend on which editor is "right" on the merits, but if often does and would in this case. I wish I had a useful suggestion because I agree that the problem you've identified exists and we as a project aren't doing a good job addressing it. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 02:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. While I believe there are a few good solutions, the community doesn't seem to agree, so what you're saying is entirely reasonable. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 02:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
*More than anything else, competence consists in knowing one's own limitations. Some editors have extensive skills, others limited, but they're all equally competent ''so long as each recognizes in what areas he or she lacks skill, and steers clear of those areas''. Keystone, despite the efforts of many editors, stubbornly refuses to restrict themself to doing things they have the skills to do, and they are therefore incompetent. The result is the inevitable result when a self-confident incompetent is left unchecked: they destroy stuff.{{pb}}Your sweetness-and-light talk of {{tq|losing the thousands of contributions that productive editor would have otherwise made}} is belied by the facts. I can't speak for what Keystone does to articles off my watchlist, but of articles ''on'' my watchlist, there's not a single one that they touched that they didn't turn into complete, unreadable crap strewn with gibberish "sentences", reversals of meaning in the course of pointless "copyediting", and utterly screwed-up formatting. For the sake of the articles themselves, instead of simply mass-reverting I went through every one of Keystone's edits looking for anything that might be useful; out of 500+ edits by Keystone, I found maybe five that were helpful, mostly addition of links. Everything else they did was, literally, at best useless and usually destructive. So save the tears. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:(Realized in the shower that I forgot this point ...) And, Mackensen, you're mistaken that Keystone and I {{tq|have been involved in some back-and-forth on articles}}. For ten days Keystone ''completely ignored'' all attempts at communication (including reversion edit summaries, talk-page messages, and pings) ''and then'' had the temerity to suddenly appear on my talk page to lecture me with delusional (yes, that's the word, given that other editors had several times tried to set him straight) ideas such as that images must all be on the right, and all the same size, and that hidden comments aren't allowed, ''and then'' topped it off by telling me to {{tq|Open yourself to collaboration with other editors, and consider their input}}. So, no "back and forth", just one editor wandering around the landscape fucking things up and spouting hypocritical platitudes, while others with better things to do clean up his messes. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::I wasn't meaning to imply that Keystone18 had been responsive; I know that they weren't. My point was simply that Keystone18 wasn't a well-meaning uninvolved editor swinging by to offer disinterested advice. I leave open the question of what kind of reception such a hypothetical editor might expect. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 19:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I understand. And now we know [[User:Thebiguglyalien|Mr. alien]] understands too. I'm sick and tired of them sticking their bigugly defender-of-the-indefensible nose into things that don't concern them. "I intended it as a WP:ROPE for him" indeed -- that'll be the day. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=1245976568#Subsection_on_how_this_thread_began]. Meanwhile, the loose cannon at the root of all this has a super-bad case of ANI flu [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Keystone18]. ''There's'' someone who needs some goddam rope. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color:red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color:blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:Tram stops in Cenon]]==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:Tram stops in Le Bouscat]]==
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== Floridian train ==

Hey quick question should the new Floridian train be under "Floridian (Amtrak train)" or "Floridian (train)" as the title? Thanks. [[User:Traintrak|Traintrak]] ([[User talk:Traintrak|talk]]) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Traintrak|Traintrak]] I think using the existing name makes sense. There aren't any non-Amtrak trains. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 19:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
::Alright got it [[User:Traintrak|Traintrak]] ([[User talk:Traintrak|talk]]) 19:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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You got 2 wrong, should be [[Warrnambool line]] NOT [[Warrnambool line (service)]] and [[Gippsland line]] NOT [[Gippsland line (service)]] -- <b><span style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color: rgb(0, 35, 102); text-align: center; text-decoration: underline #FFD700;">[[User:ThylacineHunter|ThylacineHunter]]</span></b> ([[User talk:ThylacineHunter#top|talk]]) 03:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:ThylacineHunter|ThylacineHunter]] no, that's deliberate. In both cases they'd be ambiguous with the physical railway line of the same name. This discussion is better had at the move discussion itself, where I explained my rationale. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 03:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
::I have been informed multiple time when trying to remove this type of ambiguity in the past that [[WP:COMMONNAME]] is more important than confusing article names. -- <b><span style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color: rgb(0, 35, 102); text-align: center; text-decoration: underline #FFD700;">[[User:ThylacineHunter|ThylacineHunter]]</span></b> ([[User talk:ThylacineHunter#top|talk]]) 04:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::That doesn't match my experience with how article titles and disambiguation are handled. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 04:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm also not 100% sure whether or not the common name of the physical line has been confused with the service name on these (and also the [[Serviceton railway line|Serviceton/Ararat railway line]]. -- <b><span style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color: rgb(0, 35, 102); text-align: center; text-decoration: underline #FFD700;">[[User:ThylacineHunter|ThylacineHunter]]</span></b> ([[User talk:ThylacineHunter#top|talk]]) 04:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. I’m currently trying to rewrite and expand the history section of the [[New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway]] page, since for some reason, quite a few important parts of the company’s history were omitted from it. So far, I just completed [[New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway#Erie Railroad control|this section]]. Since you you have a lot of experience in Wikipedia, I’d like to ask, do you have any advice for me in this regard? I just don’t want to accidentally make it fall under the same trap as the [[Chesapeake and Ohio Railway]] page did with copyright issues. [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 17:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:Well, one thing happened is that a user substantially rewrote the history section about a decade ago, and that in turn had to be entirely removed (by me) as a massive copyright violation in 2015: [[Talk:New_York,_Susquehanna_and_Western_Railway#Copyright_problem_removed]]. That's never healthy for an article.
:I find it helpful to nail down the corporate history and be clear about which company built what, and when. The ICC valuation reports are invaluable (see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/ICC valuations/New York, Susquehanna and Western Railroad]]) for pre-1930 history, which captures most construction and subsequent changes pre-abandonment. You can still keep everything in one article, but it's good to identify precursors. A separate section identifying the main line and branches can be usefully separated out from the history section. If there's a good modern history that can guide structure, but as you say you don't want to follow it ''too'' closely. Mohowski's book published by JHU seems like a good candidate, though I haven't read it.
:Organization is tough. One-sentence paragraphs aren't great; ten-sentence paragraphs aren't great either. I did a rewrite on [[Chicago and Tomah Railroad]] this May that I'm pretty happy with. Admittedly the topic is much narrower in scope. The longest paragraph is about 130 words; if the History section had a fourth paragraph I would have considered sub-headings. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 00:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for that. I hadn’t actually looked at the Susquehanna talk page, so I should probably give it a full read to find out what not to do. I am primarily using a Morning Sun Books source by Paul Tupaczewski, but I am trying to find other sources from [https://www.newspapers.com/ Newspapers.com] as well, and for when I reach the Delaware Otsego section, I also have some magazine articles to use. 
::I am normally used to rewriting pages about individual steam locomotives, so fleshing out company history is sort of new territory for me. I have added some sourced information to company pages before, like the [[Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad|Chicago, Burlington and Quincy]], but I think the Susquehanna page is my first time fixing the '''majority''' of a company page, if you get what I’m saying. [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 02:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:::{{tps}} That book looks somewhat helpful, but it also seems more focused on photography. There's a book out there from 2003 [https://search.worldcat.org/title/The-New-York-Susquehanna-and-Western-Railroad/oclc/50731001] which seems more focused on the railroad's history and is likely the most comprehensive source out there. In my research on various railroads, I've found a lot of useful sources on Google books, such as old reports by state railroad commissions or old trade publications (examples [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Railway_News_Finance_and_Joint_stock_Com/thM1AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=new+york+susquehanna+and+western+railway&pg=PA255&printsec=frontcover], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Commercial_Financial_Chronicle_and_H/2jx_R67QzqIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=new+york+susquehanna+and+western+railway&pg=PA205&printsec=frontcover], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Abstracts_of_Reports_of_Corporations/wdFFAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=new+york+susquehanna+and+western+railway&pg=RA2-PA17&printsec=frontcover]). Google books will also have newspaper articles such as [https://books.google.com/books?id=z9FKAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA19&dq=new+york+susquehanna+and+western+railway&article_id=3910,1726364&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-6ajipJGJAxUdhIkEHTVGPEIQ6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=new%20york%20susquehanna%20and%20western%20railway&f=false]. 
:::The most comprehensive articles I've written on railroads are my FAs, particularly [[Wood River Branch Railroad]] and [[Providence and Worcester Railroad]]. Hopefully those give you an idea of the sources out there, a mix of books, magazine articles, and newspaper archives primarily. Finding books dedicated to the subject has been key for me in getting articles fully fleshed out, you can see how heavily Wood River Branch Railroad relies on a book published on its history, and a similar story at [[Narragansett Pier Railroad]] which unfortunately was unsuccessful at FAC this year. [[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] ([[User talk:Trainsandotherthings|talk]]) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I have been thinking about getting a physical copy of Robert Mohowski’s book, but it is pretty expensive, so I might wait until my next paycheck comes in. And yes, Tupaczewski’s book does mostly focus on photography, but a lot of its pages contain information that I couldn’t find anywhere else. I have also already ordered a copy of that 1991 book by Ed Crist and John Krause. Plus, there’s the Susquehanna Reflector magazine run by the Susquehanna Technical and Historical Society, which can be accessed for free [https://nyswths.wildapricot.org/reflectors.htm here], and I think that’s fair play.
::::I will also give those pages you provided a read tomorrow, just to take notes. Thank you for the tips [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 02:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] Hello again. I have an update about that NYS&W page; I’ve completely expanded a significant portion the history section, with a lot of it being sourced by newspaper and book sources. I haven’t started working on the Delaware Otsego section yet, but before I do, would you like to look it over and tell me what you think of what I’ve done so far? [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 01:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] first thing I'd suggest is citation standardization and cleanup; there are multiple styles in use right now. My personal preference is {{t1|sfnp}}, which is one of those present. I find it easier to work with since you can dispense with the ref tags when referencing books. Do you have a preference? [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 02:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]]<nowiki> Everytime I reference a book or a magazine in a page, I always use the {{</nowiki>[[Template:Harvard citation year brackets|harvp]]<nowiki>}} template. Any other templates used to reference a book in that page may have already been there when I started fixing it. I never actually thought there has been more than one way of doing this.</nowiki> [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] Any other suggestions that come to mind? [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 16:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm continuing to work on citations. I notice that a lot of the newspapers.com citations don't have linked clippings. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 00:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::The newspapers.com sources I added don’t have links, because I really don’t know how to add links to article clips on that website [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 02:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are pretty good instructions at [[Wikipedia:Newspapers.com#Using the "Clipping" function]]. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 11:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, I never noticed that before. Thank you. [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 15:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] @[[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] Another update on the [[New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway]] page, I’ve completed almost the entirety of the history section, as well as the excursions section. If you two would like to examine the page’s grammar and let me know if you think anything else major needs to be done, I would appreciate that. If you’re both too busy right now, though, I understand. I’m a patient guy. [[User:Someone who likes train writing|Someone who likes train writing]] ([[User talk:Someone who likes train writing|talk]]) 00:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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I just created an article today on the incentive per diem boxcar craze that I thought might be of interest to you. Right now it pretty heavily relies on one source. [[User:Trainsandotherthings|Trainsandotherthings]] ([[User talk:Trainsandotherthings|talk]]) 22:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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== [[Coaster (rail service)|Coaster train service]] operates on only one line ==

Your two edits that said you reverted mine on the [[Coaster (rail service)|Coaster train service]] page are very misunderstanding. The edit that I made is to change "service" to "line" since only one line is used in the system. The reason why I had to do this is so that people can know that it operates on one line only. For one edit, you said that it is not the distinction being made on the page. For the other edit, you said to look at [[WP:BRD]] and discuss on the article's talk page. These edits are very misunderstanding to me. Please add additional information of why my two edits were reverted. [[User:Hikingboii|Hikingboii]] ([[User talk:Hikingboii|talk]]) 17:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Hikingboii|Hikingboii]] in this context, a line means physical infrastructure, while a service uses that physical infrastructure. Transit operators often use line when talking about a service, which can be confusing. Wikipedia does not draw the distinction the way you suggest; calling a service a line when it is the only service operated by within that system. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 17:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::So I tried editing the [[Caltrain]] article and changed "line" to "service" because you said that using "line" may be confusing. I tried editing it to commuter rail "service", but it turns out it got reverted by some user named Coolcaesar. See the [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caltrain&action=history revision history] to look at the reverted edit and see what you can do about it. [[User:Hikingboii|Hikingboii]] ([[User talk:Hikingboii|talk]]) 19:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, I'd suggest posting on [[Talk:Caltrain]]. Not the same article, not necessarily the same situation. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 19:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} Caltrain is double tricky because while there's a single linear route, there are multiple overlapping services on one part and a shuttle service on the other. I think a discussion at [[Talk:Caltrain]] would be worthwhile. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 21:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed that the collapsible former service section when uncollapsed here displays the new text underneath the words "former service" such that Glen Gardner is unreadable. I tried fixing it myself but to no avail - I have no idea how the routemap template works. Are you able to fix this? Many thanks, [[User:Microwave Anarchist|Microwave Anarchist]] ([[User talk:Microwave Anarchist|talk]]) 01:47, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
:Just changed my display settings - I was using the vector legacy skin and changed it back to the default to check and it displays fine in that skin, so it is an issue with how the template displays in the old skin rather than how it is used here. Sorry to bother you about it. [[User:Microwave Anarchist|Microwave Anarchist]] ([[User talk:Microwave Anarchist|talk]]) 01:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Microwave Anarchist|Microwave Anarchist]] No worries. The collapsible option in that style of template is finicky; I find it hard to maintain myself! [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 02:26, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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== Trenitalia ==

I started to convert templates to [[Module:Adjacent stations/Trenitalia]] when I saw the template deletion discussion linked to one of the old s-line templates. Do you want me to revert to the last edit before I started, or can my additions be easily verified? '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 21:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:Articles like [[Madignano railway station]], created last year, already have dead links for services citations. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 22:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Cards84664|Cards84664]] which discussion in particular are you referencing? [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 22:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_25#Frecciabianca_s-line_templates this one]. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 22:13, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It probably would be better if I reverted the six articles in which I just copied the information from the old s-line templates. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 22:24, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Right, I remember that now. Yes, I would consider any s-line templates on Italian articles outdated. The network has changed a good deal in the last fifteen years. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 22:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Looking over the table map in the [https://www.trenitalia.com/content/dam/trenitalia/allegati/info/orario-digitale/In_Treno_Orario_TuttItalia.pdf Italian timetable book], I'm wondering if, in addition to listing the high speed trains by their table number, I think we could do the same for local services, listing regional branches by their table number in the Module, similar to how former routes are handled in the US. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 17:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::For example, invoking "R 181" would display the regional line Colico–Chiavenna. Basically I think we should just cite the national book's table numbers to save us all a headache, similar to how [[Module:Adjacent stations/Canadian National Railway]] was organized.'''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 17:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I am now noticing that Trenord uses route numbers, while the rest of the system does not. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 17:50, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Trenord is a separate operator; I wouldn't necessarily expect their services to be listed with Trenitalia's. I think your idea is workable. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 17:54, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::They are listed, the Trenord-only lines are in the 400s range in the timetable book. Trenord shows route numbers on their maps and Google/Apple Maps, but they are simply "R" in the timetables. I'll note the operator, but that's about the only difference from Trenitalia. I'll test the idea on [[Milano Centrale railway station]] sometime today. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 18:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(It took me a while to find, the Trenord table map is on page '''3213'''). '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 18:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(Okay I think I understand it when comparing the [https://www.trenord.it/fileadmin/contenuti/TRENORD/2-Linee_e_orari/Linee_regionali/Regionale_2024_A4.pdf?_gl=1*nm6kq9*_up*MQ..*_ga*MjU5NDM3NDQwLjE3NDUzNDY2OTE.*_ga_CFQRRL9CP6*MTc0NTM0NjY5MC4xLjAuMTc0NTM0NjY5MC4wLjAuMA.. map] to the table, as an example: Table 402 in the national book is Trenord's R16 service) '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 18:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:Here's a [https://web.archive.org/web/20250304221835/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milano_Centrale_railway_station  before] and [[Milano Centrale railway station|after]]. '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 20:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

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== NYC: May 7 WikiWed + May 10 WikiCurious ==

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== Paradeplatz tram stop ==

Hi there. Was wondering if you'd be able to work your magic on the infobox in the [[Paradeplatz tram stop|above article]]. I tried adding the preceding and following stops for the eight lines, but it's beyond my ability apparently. [[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 20:56, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] Sure! The issue is that [[Module:Adjacent stations/Trams in Zürich]] doesn't define termini for most of the tram routes. I can fix that. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 00:48, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 01:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::One other, if I might be so bold. And, of course, no rush. Looking at add [[Trolleybuses_in_Zurich#Lines|trolleybus line 31]] to the transit infobox at [[Bahnhofplatz, Zurich]]. I got the trams in there, but not the sole trolleybus passage. [[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 22:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] Trolleybuses usually don't get listed in that way since so few of their stops will have articles. It would probably be better to just list it as a connection. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 00:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== June 11: Virtual NYC WikiWednesday ==

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== GO Transit ==
Seeing as the renaming proposal got shot down again, do you think we should focus on changing "Station" to "station" for now? '''<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:3px;">[[User:Cards84664|<span style="color:white">Cards</span>]]</span><span style="background:#FFFFFF;padding:2px;border:solid 1px blue">[[User talk:Cards84664|<span style="color:blue">84664</span>]]</span>''' 17:49, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, but not so soon after such a contentious (and prolonged debate). I think that's a much easier case to make. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 22:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with Mackensen - worth doing, but wait. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 19:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)