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==Changes to Wikipedia==
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Hello. I appreciate your attention to General Goodwin's profile, but after discussing with her personally, she wants these changes as they are the truth and read better for the end user. Can you tell me what the issue is please? And why you keep changing it? Thank you in advance. [[User:Pagecd|Pagecd]] ([[User talk:Pagecd|talk]]) 13:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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==Fallout: New Vegas / FNV==
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Help me out here, because this sure seems like a case of [[WP:IAR|rules preventing the improvement of Wikipedia]]. It's eminently verifiable that ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]'' is commonly abbreviated as FNV. Looking back in the page history, I can see I'm not the first to add it. Using a Firefox private window, the game was in multiple first-page results in a search for the letters on Google, DuckDuckGo, and Bing. (There was also a company we have an article on but was not previously listed. I added it, so that's something!) I could follow the advice of [[WP:DABABBREV]] and add it to the article, but... is that helpful, or just clutter? To be totally honest, I'd only be doing it to support the entry on the disambiguation page.

If you can consider all this and decide yes, the status quo is really in the best interests of readers, I'll leave it alone. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 14:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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==CS1 error on [[Musgrave Park Hospital bombing]]==
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Thanks, <!-- User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform -->[[User:Qwerfjkl (bot)|Qwerfjkl (bot)]] ([[User talk:Qwerfjkl (bot)|talk]]) 20:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
: Yarp, but that isn't my source: I don't have any more than the {{para|work}} and {{para|date}} info that was already there.  Hopefully the error will spur somebody who does have access to the original source to both verify it and update the {{template link|cite news}}.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:08, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

==Disambiguation link notification for August 18==
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([[User:DPL bot|Opt-out instructions]].) --[[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 06:09, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
: Yeah, I  expected that might be the case.   In this instance, not only is the original source still not my own, but I couldn't even load the target page due to technical hurdles I'm suffering.  Again, though, when an editor has access to the actual original sources and is spurred to fully kit out those sources, hopefully the ambiguation will slso be specified.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 11:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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([[User:DPL bot|Opt-out instructions]].) --[[User:DPL bot|DPL bot]] ([[User talk:DPL bot|talk]]) 06:04, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
: I'll be damned, you're right.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_J._O%27Neill&diff=1172559750&oldid=1172388911 This] should've fixed it.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

==Removing sources?==
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I appreciate the expansion, but the [[Special:Diff/1181140444|source removal]] confuses me -- it went from fourteen to eight? [https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/11/election-night-pizza-takeout-delivery.html This one], for example; sure, it's a passing mention, but passing mentions aren't bad. They don't confer notability, of course, but they don't detract from it or anything. '''[[User:JPxG|jp]]'''×'''[[User talk:JPxG|g]]''' 05:27, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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==proof of life==
Just verifying for {{user|Sin Shadow Fox}} that I'm the same editor they're speaking with off-wiki.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 01:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

==Updating date tags on maintenance templates==
Hey, small question, but when you update the date parameter on a maintenance template like {{tl|use mdy dates}} (eg here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bawls&diff=cur&oldid=prev]), what is the purpose of that date change? <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">—&nbsp;<span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 22:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
: I just go ahead and update it for the same reasons the bots do, to indicate the most-recent date that the specific-fomatting conventions were checked.  If I'm already in an article's edit, I might as well update the formatting template, which'll save somebody else time and effort down the line when checking articles which haven't had their templates updated in ages.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 00:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. I guess I’m really asking though why the template would need to be “checked”? Like, it’s not like MDY or DMY date formats would change for an article over time. <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">—&nbsp;<span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 04:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::: As I see it, the template serves two purposes: (1) formatting citation-template dates so that {{para|access-date|2022-04-01}} gets automatically rendered in the article as "April 1, 2023" or "1 April 2023"; and (2) to serve as a notice to editors, alerting them to which format they should use.{{paragraph break}}It's not the template that needs to be "checked", but articles need to be checked periodically to make sure they're using the correct date format.  Say you live in the US where the typical date format is MDY, and you often edit US-related topics, where MDY dates are usually appropriate, so you never even need to think about other date formats.  However, [[WP:MILDATE]] says that articles about the US military should be using DMY dates, but if you don't realize that, and if you don't see the template, you might accidentally use the wrong&mdash;MDY&mdash;date format in the article while working on it.  If I later go to edit [[USS Dingleberry]] or [[Flibbertigibbet Air Force Base]], and notice that the {{template link|use dmy dates}} hasn't been updated since 2019, I'll take an extra minute or two to double-check the article's dates, find where you accidentally used the wrong format, and I can quickly fix it while I'm there.  Does that make sense?  I'm just telling other editors, "Hey, this article's prose was checked for correctly-formatted dates really recently, so you needn't bother."  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 22:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thaaaat makes a lot more sense. Thanks so much for explaining it, honestly. I was going around so confused that it would ever need changing—or even thinking that the older date maybe should have been more important—but setting the date to indicate that {{em|the article conforms}} makes so much sense. <span style="font-family:Avenir, sans-serif">—&nbsp;<span style="border-radius:5px;padding:.1em .4em;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 20:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::: Hey, I'm glad (and more than a little surprised) I could help!  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 05:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

==ANI==
[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.&nbsp;The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Dispute in Falling from Grace (film) article|Dispute in Falling from Grace (film) article]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--><!--Template:ANI-notice--> [[User:QuasyBoy|QuasyBoy]] ([[User talk:QuasyBoy|talk]]) 01:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
: Hey, more power to ya!  Do you need me to read and provide input there, or've you and the preexisting discussion got it covered?  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 05:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Just waiting for an administrator to respond to my request. I hope you will participate. [[User:QuasyBoy|QuasyBoy]] ([[User talk:QuasyBoy|talk]]) 07:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::: If you need me to, I certainly don't mind [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1186458444  stopping by and saying "hi!"].  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 07:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

==Oh fuck me.==
It looks like I unwatched my own user/talk page back in November when replying to the above.  I will now reply to the messages below.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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===Violet Keene===
In reference to this conversation, you and I last spoke in September 2023 at: [[Talk:Violet Keene]].

To whom this may concern:

Miss Keene ([[Violet Keene]]) is my great-grandmother; you'd told me in September, to get her English birth certificate.

I have it; her mother, [[Minna Keene]] is listed as the informant, and Violet's birthdate is, in fact, the 8 August 1893.

I can send a photograph as verification, if you'd like to see it. [[User:LucilleBall|LucilleBall]] ([[User talk:LucilleBall|talk]]) 06:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
: In September I referred you to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|the reliable-sources guideline]], saying that materials needed to be reputably published for us to use them.  I have, also, seen you message at that talk page and replied there as well.  So sorry for the delay!  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

===Slavica Ecclestone===
Would you be so kind to review Slavica Ecclestone's article because there is a very disruptive, irrational contributor  [[User:Denle1|Denle1]] with a political agenda. Thanks. [[User:Dekker2|Dekker2]] ([[User talk:Dekker2|talk]]) 12:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
: After these many months, I'm not sure to what you're referring.  Does that article still need review?  So sorry for the delay here!  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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===Talk:Coagula===
Hi there!  I see you've reverted my bot twice on [[Talk:Coagula]].  The B-class parameters were recently {{diff2|1193582963|removed}} from {{tl|WikiProject Comics}} (as a result of [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#Determining the future of B-class checklists|this discussion at WT:COUNCIL]]).  See the discussion at [[Template talk:WikiProject banner shell#B-class information when the article is a GA class]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 13:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
: I'm sorry I missed your comment here, but I think it was addressed in [[Talk:Coagula#WikiProject Comics template|these edits of mine]].  So sorry for the delay!  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

===Pete Postlethwaite edit===
I was astonished to discover [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pete_Postlethwaite&diff=prev&oldid=1013967840 this edit], in which you removed from a (dead) subject's biography all material within the article body pertaining to his most famous career roles, presumably on the basis that the paragraph was tagged for citation. Do you mind correcting that, please? {{tl|cn}} is an invitation to improvement, not a death sentence, and the article as it stands is massively less evenly-weighted as a result. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 20:09, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
: I've now undone the majority of this change. I'd still be keen to know why you made it in the first place. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 18:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
:: When you say {{talk quote inline|undone the majority of this change|q=yes}}, I assume that IAW [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] you also provided "an [[Wikipedia:Inline citation|inline citation]] to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."  Because "material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."  Right?  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
: Looking at that edit, I was removing uncited material (some seven years old) IAW [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]], as I linked to in my original [[WP:ES|edit summary]].  According to our policy, {{talk quote inline|correcting that|q=yes}} would be "providing an [[Wikipedia:Inline citation|inline citation]] to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
:: If material can be trivially sourced, then removing it is not the best course of action. If it is your understanding that "actor X appeared in role Y" is the sort of contentious statement that can be removed after an arbitrary period despite the article on Y containing ample evidence as to its correctness then you misunderstand the purpose of our citation guidelines. RS is designed to ensure that our articles are _more_ and not _less_ accurate, and by deleting key points of it you made said article worse, almost incoherent in places, by means of omission. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 00:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::: {{talk quote inline|If material can be trivially sourced|q=yes}}, then the contributor who added it, and read the words "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable through [[Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1|citations to reliable sources]]", would have done so.  {{talk quote inline|It is [my] understanding|q=yes}} that "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." ([[Wikipedia:Verifiability]])  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 01:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::: You're cherry-picking, and as a result failing to understand the point. The top of that policy quite clearly states the criteria under which said action applies:
::::# direct quotations,
::::# material whose verifiability has been challenged,
::::# material whose verifiability is likely to be challenged, and
::::# contentious material about living and recently deceased persons.
:::: The subject is dead, and it isn't a quote, so that rules out #1 and #4. "Pete Postlethwaite was in Sharpe and When Saturday Comes" is not a statement ''likely'' to be challenged (as his name is on the front of the DVDs). This only leaves #2, and if you were truly challenging said material on those grounds, then why did you leave it in the Filmography section?
:::: This was rote misapplication of the RS policy which made an article less informative for absolutely no gain. Consider the next time you remove material which is at least ''likely'' to be factual whether spending three seconds Googling for a source yourself might lead to a superior outcome. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 12:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::::: It seems your actual complaints, then, are that (a) I was not comprehensive in excising uncited claims in an article, and (b) the article was poorly written when I saw it.  Regarding the former, I don't think any editors are required by the Verifiability policy to excise all noncompliant material from every article they edit; the specific phrasing is "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed…"  As for the latter, I had no hand in writing that article, nor its sorry condition prior to my edits.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 13:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::: It's not a great article, and could do with improvement. That was how I came across it. It isn't improved by removing some of its most pertinent material for reasons which are at the very best borderline applications of policy. This was just a heads-up that there was a better way to improve the article than was taken. Thanks. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 17:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::: If I removed uncited material, it was a poor-quality article when I came across it, too.  I'm glad you found the sources needed to replace the material that wasn't cited.  If you want to list your articles which you prefer to retain uncited in contravention of policy, and only 'improved' by your own personal metrics, I can try and avoid editing them in the future.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 17:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: If you're giving me that liberty then feel free to consider this a blanket admonition not to remove trivially-citable facts anywhere on the encyclopedia. Go and make it better instead. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 18:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry, that wasn't what I meant; I was just referring to any other articles of yours, specifically.  (I've of course added your initially-linked page to my list of prohibited articles.)  If removing uncited material from articles wasn't improving or bettering them, we wouldn't do it nor have an explicit [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]-based policy as to its allowance.  It it assuages your sense of having been wronged, though, rest assured that I also often add sources and material therefrom to articles.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 19:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

===Regarding the ANI===
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''I'm astonished by the tone and attitude that Bearcat has used against you, and I hope it doesn't put you off from continuing to build Wikipedia. Happy editing! [[User:GraziePrego|GraziePrego]] ([[User talk:GraziePrego|talk]]) 00:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)''

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: Gotta say, I do love peaches!  Thanks!  Do you have any suggestions about how I should move forward?  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

===Autopatrolled===
I think you should apply for the [[WP:Autopatrolled|Autopatrolled]] user right. I just reviewed [[Press Your Luck scandal]] at [[WP:NPP|NPP]] and it seemed excellent to me. A brief check of your Xtools stats suggest you should be eligible; doing this will help NPP get on top of the backlog by removing the need for us to review every article you create. Best, [[User:Toadspike|<span style="font-family:'Rubik', sans-serif; color:#21a81e; text-shadow:#999b9e 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''Toadspike'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Toadspike|talk]]) 14:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
: Thank you so much for the kind words!  I will look into this at a later date, yes.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

==May 2024==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hi, and thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Fourthords|your contributions]] to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give [[:Michael Larson]] a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into [[:Press Your Luck scandal]]. This is known as a "[[Wikipedia:History merging|cut-and-paste move]]", and it is undesirable because it splits the [[Help:Page history|page history]], which is [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia|legally required for attribution]].  Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be ''moved'' to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is [[Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed|four days old and has ten edits]], you should be able to move an article yourself using the [[Help:Moving a page|"Move" tab]] at the top of the page (the tab may be [[:File:Vector hidden move button.png|hidden in a dropdown menu]] for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]] from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested moves]] to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at [[Wikipedia:Requests for history merge]]. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-c&pmove --> [[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 20:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
: {{talk quote inline|It appears that you tried to give [[:Michael Larson]] a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into [[:Press Your Luck scandal]].|q=yes}}  I didn't.  The content of the latter article was originally and entirely developed independently of the former.  [[Press Your Luck scandal|''Press Your Luck'' scandal]] was created from whole cloth, and then [[Michael Larson]] was turned into a redirect.  I've [[WP:BOLD|boldly]] removed the {{template link|history merge}} because I was worried a bot might make a technical mess by trying to merge two different wholly distinct article histories.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

==What exactly is unrepresentative?==
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"Republican state legislators particularly relish passing legislation to exploit child labor. The Louisiana bill, now before the state Senate, is sponsored by Roger Wilder III, a Republican freshman who owns 19 Smoothie King franchises scattered throughout Louisiana and the Deep South."

What from that doesn't translate into what I wrote...? [[Special:Contributions/92.21.86.180|92.21.86.180]] ([[User talk:92.21.86.180|talk]]) 13:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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=="[[:Glory Hallelujah]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]==
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glory_Hallelujah&redirect=no Glory Hallelujah]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Glory Hallelujah}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> [[User:Rusalkii|<span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span>]] ([[User talk:Rusalkii|talk]]) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
: If there's a better destination for that page, I certainly don't object.  The page previously didn't exist at all, so turning it into the redirect as I did was just a helpful navigational aid for the time.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 23:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
::You'll have to comment at the discussion page for your opinion to be counted. It does look like you don't object to any outcome though. <span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 14:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
::: You're right on both counts.  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 16:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

==Map bugs==
wrt [[Template talk:OSM Location map#first point not showing?]]. The programmers who introduced these bugs on map transitions across 180 degrees did not write consistent wrap around code for two behind the scenes modules when [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/1692/ Kartographer] implemented. Issues go back to 2016 at least. Perhaps a moan from a typical user editor will do some good as issue has been graded ever downwards to low priority. In practice it means you can't use Kartographer with overlaid features mapped by coordinate that cross 180 degrees to get consistent display on click through from the default map image generated to minimise bandwidth and server load. Cheers [[User:ChaseKiwi|ChaseKiwi]] ([[User talk:ChaseKiwi|talk]]) 13:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

==TemplateStyles in signatures==
Please remove the TemplateStyles tag from your signature. This has the same effect as a template, which are not allowed in signatures. [[User:Izno|Izno]][[User:IznoPublic|Public]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
: I haven't changed my signature since August 2019, and that was just a capitalization; the style has been consistent for nigh decades at this point.  I see what you're talking about in my recent posts, but as recently [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Susan_Westrom&diff=prev&oldid=1216941296 as 2 April 2024], it wasn't doing that, with the first instance being [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coagula&diff=prev&oldid=1217088145 this signature on 3 April 2024].  All the while, the coded signature in my preferences hasn't changed.  It looks like I've been substituting {{template link general|color|#CC0000|Fourthords|code=on}} since maybe 2006?  Any thoughts?  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 19:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, saw the ping. I will revert the problematic change. Consider not substing the template for the future. [[User:Izno|Izno]][[User:IznoPublic|Public]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
::: What's the ping?  I haven't changed anything yet, though.  If substituting the template in the signature is the problem, how would I get the same outcome with the minimum/most-efficient coding (to keep it small)?  —  '''[[user:fourthords|<span class="tmp-color" style="color:#CC0000">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jdlrobson#template:color This ping]. I've fixed the issue, but to answer the question, here is what you can/should place in the signature box instead: <code><nowiki>'''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] | [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] |'''</nowiki></code>. [[User:Izno|Izno]][[User:IznoPublic|Public]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 22:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
::::: Gotcha!  Sorry, I didn't think to assume you were watching their talk page.  Thanks for the heads-up; I've replaced the substitution code in my signature, and this'll be its first test:  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 02:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
::::: Looks identical to me!  Thanks again.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 02:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

==Regarding talk page archives==
Hello, {{u|Fourthords}}. I wanted to reach out in case any of my edits to your talk archives were confusing and/or bothersome. At some point in the future, {{tl|archive}} will be updated with the code from {{tl|aan}}, so I've been going through and converting any talk page that used {{tl|archive}}+{{tl|archive navigation}} to just use {{tl|aan}}. You're welcome to ask questions, but I mostly just wanted to reach out and offer an explanation. Take care, [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii#top|talk]]) 01:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
: So you're saying that {{template link|automatic archive navigator}} is going to be merged into {{template link|archive}}.  So you replaced the target of the merge, the template that's going to be kept and maintained, with a [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]] to the template which is going away?  You replaced the template I specifically added to my archives with a redirection to a template that's being replaced with the template I already specifically added to my archives.  That's expending effort (yours, your bot's, and the server's) to effect no functional change except to compel all those users' pages to expend that tiny more server effort (redirection) in the future.  Yes, thank you for the… explanation.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 18:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::Nope. In the future, {{tl|archive}} will work as {{tl|aan}} works now. Pages that currently use {{tl|archive}} plus {{tl|archive navigation}} would have two rows of duplicate links. [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii#top|talk]]) 18:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::: {{talk quote inline|In the future, {{tl|archive}} will work as {{tl|aan}} works now.|q=yes}}  First of all, {{template link|aan}} doesn't "work" at all because it isn't a template; it's a [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]] to {{template link|automatic archive navigator}}.  More saliently, if {{template link|archive}} is going to be functionally synonymous with {{template link|automatic archive navigator}}, then why replace other users' preexisting instances of the former with a redirect to the latter, at all?  Because based on what you youself're saying, that's literally 100% unnecessary (especially the redirection).  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fourthords/Archive_1&diff=prev&oldid=1232704607 Here] you replaced two templates with a redirect to a third, when by your own claims, simply removing {{template link|archive navigation}} would have accomplished the exact same thing.  For that matter, the simplest and least intrusive thing you should have done was to simply post once on those users' [[Help:Talk pages|talk pages]] that: templates they're using will be undergoing changes and merging, thereby letting them edit their own archives as they needed or desired.{{paragraph break}}Ultimately, it's all moot, now: your bot's already edited across countless pages, and I've already repaired my archives from its one-time run.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 19:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::::"{{tq|Because based on what you youself're saying, that's literally 100% unnecessary (especially the redirection).}}" Nope. Removing {{tl|archive navigation}} would remove the navigation links until the templates are merged. Additionally, some archive pages have atypical titles like "August 2007-08" or "9¢", that {{tl|automatic archive navigator}} cannot locate. This seems to have upset you, so I apologize for that. Take care, [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii#top|talk]]) 19:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
::::: As unnecessary and excessive behavior I've never before encountered by an approved bot, I'm more utterly baffled and agog rather than upset.  Your apology is appreciated, but I'd still recommend you be wary of making such sweeping, preemptive, and unnecessary changes to user pages not your own.  Nobody finds talk-page messages undue&mdash;that's their very purpose; changing the expected and future behavior of their pages on their presumptive behalf can be perceived as ogrish vandalism at worst (or even just a housekeeping annoyance, as in my case).  Cheers, and best of luck to you in the future.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 19:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

==Disambiguation link notification for August 12 ==
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: Ah, damn: too right.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryan_Creamer&diff=1239977693&oldid=1239922425 I've fixed it], thanks!  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 20:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

==IAW WP:MILFORMAT==
Can you explain what you mean by "IAW WP:MILFORMAT"?

Also can you explain the thinking behind the date formatting in this paragraph?
:On June 7, 2017, Kim was one of twelve candidates chosen from a pool of over 18,300 applicants to join NASA Astronaut Group 22. He reported for duty on 21 August 2017, and graduated from training on 10 January 2020.

Thank you! -- [[User:RickyCourtney|RickyCourtney]] ([[User talk:RickyCourtney|talk]]) 20:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
: You're talking about the article [[Johnny Kim]]?  [[WP:MILFORMAT]] says, {{talk quote inline|articles on the modern US military, including biographical articles related to the modern US military, should use day-before-month, in accordance with US military usage.|q=yes}}  That's why {{template link|use dmy dates}} is used.  As for that specific line from the article, it should be formatted as "On 7 June 2017, Kim was…"; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonny_Kim&diff=1243164654&oldid=1243155084 I've fixed it (and another), now.]  I've also rephrased your HTML comment to match [[Template:Infobox astronaut/doc|the infobox instructions]].  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 22:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I understand the use dmy dates template and normally would just run a script to quickly conform everything. What threw me is your hidden comment "IAW WP:MILFORMAT" — I didn’t understand if you were trying to suggest. I thought that there was perhaps a reason for blending MDY and DMY dates (stranger things have happened). So what do you mean by "IAW"? [[User:RickyCourtney|RickyCourtney]] ([[User talk:RickyCourtney|talk]]) 03:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::: [[Johnny Kim]] is a largely US topic, which would normally beget MDY formatting; the hidden HTML comment was just to explain why DMY was implemented instead (i.e. [[WP:MILFORMAT]]); I suppose it's just a safeguard from somebody accidentally changing it back to MDY again.  No, the MDY date you noticed in the article (and the infobox one I saw) were unintentional, and I appreciate you catching it!  As for "IAW", it's just a common [[:wikt:IAW|English-language abbreviation for "in accordance with"]].  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 15:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Huh. I've never seen the abbreviation IAW before. So, thanks for teaching me that. But might I suggest that since we aren't exactly limited in space in hidden comments, you might just want to avoid the abbreviation and just say "in accordance with." Anyways, thanks for engaging in the discussion. -- [[User:RickyCourtney|RickyCourtney]] ([[User talk:RickyCourtney|talk]]) 17:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

==FAR for Michael Tritter==
I have nominated [[Michael Tritter]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Michael Tritter/archive1|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]].  🍕[[User:Boneless Pizza!|<span style="background:orange;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">Boneless</span> Pizza!</span>]]🍕 ([[User talk:Boneless Pizza!|🔔]]) 11:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
: I didn't work to promote this article, nor was I its FA nominator—merely one of 21 who commented upon its 2009 nomination.  You may instead be looking for {{user|Music2611}} or {{user|SandyGeorgia}}.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 13:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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==Zac Oyama==
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Hi Fourthords, I'm a fairly new editor and was hoping to understand [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zac_Oyama&diff=prev&oldid=1248907163 this] edit you made at Zac Oyama. I probably don't understand the requirements for the "notable work" field and that it may need more than "is part of the main cast". However, I find the other changes confusing.

From what I can see, the cited source repeatedly notes that Oyama is originally from Birmingham, Alabama, which would make him American(unless there's another Alabama I'm unfamiliar with). Additionally, you replaced some content with the explanation that the prose is sourced, but I'm unable to find any mention in the ref list of any of the details that were reintroduced to the article (high school track and field, Auburn University, UA's Telecommunications and Film department or Oyama's graduation date). As far as I can tell, there's no source in the article for any of those claims. Is there something I'm missing with citing sources or formatting in BLP articles here? Thanks [[User:LaffyTaffer|LaffyTaffer]] ([[User talk:LaffyTaffer|talk]]) 03:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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==Go away already!!!==
Do us all a favor and leave us alone already, everyone has been complaining about you for years! You are NOT the Wikipedia Police ok, you have no right to take full control of an article, users can add what they want in articles, that does NOT give YOU the right to annoy them and revert their edits over and over again even then they did nothing wrong. The only user that is causing vandalism is YOU, you blame everyone over the problem YOU caused in the first place. Besides, I wasn’t even following you at all, I was only adding missing information on the article, now stop lying about me! I did nothing to you. [[Special:Contributions/103.31.182.7|103.31.182.7]] ([[User talk:103.31.182.7|talk]]) 02:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
: {{talk quote inline|everyone has been complaining about you for years!|q=yes}}{{sup|[''citation needed'']}}  {{talk quote inline|You are NOT the Wikipedia Police ok, you have no right to take full control of an article, users can add what they want in articles, that does NOT give YOU the right to annoy them and revert their edits over and over again even then they did nothing wrong.|q=yes}}  I assume you're referring to [[Peter Ostrum]].  Per [[Wikipedia:Ownership of content]], I do not have "full control of" any articles.  Users can, in fact, add what they want in articles, but they're also subject to [[WP:BRD]] and [[WP:CONSENSUS]], which it seems you've taken exception to.  {{talk quote inline|The only user that is causing vandalism is YOU|q=yes}}  You may want to read [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]].  {{talk quote inline|Besides, I wasn’t even following you at all, I was only adding missing information on the article, now stop lying about me! I did nothing to you.|q=yes}} Here, are you referring to [[Carlos Carrasco (actor)]]?  In the past 84 hours, the only articles you&mdash;and {{IPuser|103.231.73.87}}&mdash;have edited are Ostrum's and Carrasco's.  It breaks credulity to claim you (both) didn't follow my recent edits from the former to the latter.  As for "only adding missing information", you added claims without citing any reliable sources in contravention of [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]], which in turn says, "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 03:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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: Oh, all I did was crop this image.  {{user|Riccckyyy}} is the original uploader.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 04:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

==Please don't rollback my edits removing fraudulent stolen photos==
thanks [[User:TrentBuchet|TrentBuchet]] ([[User talk:TrentBuchet|talk]]) 01:44, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
: (a) I reverted {{IPuser|119.224.60.232}}.  (b) Both community consensus and the uploader's statements [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Powelliphantapatrickensis2.jpg|at the Wikimedia Commons]] evidence that this photo was released by its copyright holder under an irrevocable [[Creative Commons]] license.  (c) As you are editing in contravention of community consensus (both here and at the Commons), I'll rollback the removal of the file yet again.  You may, of course, continue your discussion at [[Talk:Powelliphanta patrickensis]] IAW [[WP:BRD]] if you'd like.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 03:30, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
::This is incorrect, the author and the uploader have consistently disputed its release under CC. All pre-existing licenses were CC-BY-NC, which is incompatible with wikimedia and wikipedia licensing. 
::Community consensus does not invalidate law. These photos are stolen and were never hosted with permission from the author. [[User:TrentBuchet|TrentBuchet]] ([[User talk:TrentBuchet|talk]]) 03:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
::: This isn't the place to again try and convince anyone of your longstanding claims; [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Powelliphantapatrickensis2.jpg|your extant discussion at the Commons]] is.  Until you overturn consensus there, however, the image may continue to be used here at the English Wikipedia, and I will revert your edits as contrary to consensus; as I explained, {{talk quote inline|[y]ou may, of course, continue your discussion at [[Talk:Powelliphanta patrickensis]] IAW [[WP:BRD]] if you'd like.|q=yes}}  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 04:03, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

==Disambiguation link notification for March 1 ==
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: Yeah, a reread of the source didn't provide enough context to know explicitly which was intended.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 13:46, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
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: Presumably I came across that initialism somewhere, had to conjure or deduce its meaning, and created a cheap redirect for anyone who followed the path I took.  Fourteen years on, I can neither solidly confirm that nor summon any interest.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 21:59, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

==Ashley Rinsberg==
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I'm not sure what you were trying to do in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ashley_Rindsberg&diff=prev&oldid=1286843131 this edit]. I started a discussion in the article's talk page regarding the issue of the external links. I did not start a discussion about the awkwardly structured sentence in the career section, but if you feel that it's not awkwardly structured, we can discuss it at the talk page. [[User:Green Montanan|Green Montanan]] ([[User talk:Green Montanan|talk]]) 15:21, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
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==Disambiguation link notification for April 26 ==

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: Oh damnation, I probably assumed that was a unique-enough name that I didn't need to check.  Thank you for the catch; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonny_Kim&diff=prev&oldid=1287443515 I've fixed it].  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 08:26, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Derek Potteiger]]==
Hello, Fourthords,

I was reviewing this article which is PROD'd and I don't understand your deletion rationale: {{tq|4.71-year-old biography of a living person with no evidence for Wikipedia:Notability and cited only to a single source which is not archived and which cannot be found with a search of its site.}}. What is 4.71-year-old biography? The subject was born in 1980s so they are 45 years old. Could you rephrase this deletion rationale so it is clearer why you believe the article warrants deletion and what 4.71 refers to? Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 00:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: The age of the BLP is based on the UTC time and date of its creation; the subject of the article (a person in this case) doesn't have any bearing.  In all that time, it hadn't shown any evidence of meeting [[Wikipedia:Notability]], and its only source not only wasn't archived, but wasn't to be found at the publisher's site as linked.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 01:35, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

==Tami Stronach / David Stronach==
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Why are you deleting cited information about David Stronach, and (repeatedly) putting in an entirely uncited claim that he "won the lottery"? What lottery? When? Where is your source for this? [[Special:Contributions/92.40.192.122|92.40.192.122]] ([[User talk:92.40.192.122|talk]]) 15:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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==[[Polly Carver-Kimm]]==
Hello, Fourthords,
It looks like you tried to PROD this article but didn't do so correctly. It's best to use tools like [[WP:TWINKLE|Twinkle]] to tag pages for any of Wikipedia's deletion processes. [[User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary]] is the list that admins use to review the day's PROD'd articles and this article appears at the bottom of the page as an error so it means that admins will not see it listed on the day's PRODs. Could you double-check the template that you use along with the capitalization, punctuation, time-stamp and all steps so that it will be correctly listed and admins will see it? This is where Twinkle is very helpful because the tool uses all of the correct templates so that editors don't have to search for them. I just wanted to let you know about this. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 09:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: I'm not a programmer of any stripe and couldn't begin to troubleshoot why that bot doesn't operate as you seem to expect; I think its written and operated by {{user|Tizio}}, by whom you're probably better served asking.  As for my use of {{template link|prod}} at [[Polly Carver-Kimm]], it is rendered properly on the page with no errors, and both automatic categorizations are correctly populating ([[:Category:all articles proposed for deletion]] & [[:Category:proposed deletion as of 12 June 2025]]) without any error categories either.  —  '''[[user:Fourthords|<span style="color:#c00">Fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:Fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 11:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)